"Their" Words: The New World Order & New World Religion

BinauralJam

inmytree wrote:

I found this video to be very enlightening...this whole new world order thing really makes sense to me now... :twisted:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36W7rd2KDPs&feature=fvw

I KNEW LADY GAGA WAS EVIL!!! but nobody listens to me, they think i'm ALWAYS joking.

DriftingByTheStorm

OutOfBreath wrote:

Dude. Backdrop. Context. Less right-wing paranoia. Please. It's not a blue-print, it's some new age woman from the 30s dreams and opinions formulated in a book. Because something is written in a book does not mean it's a plan of any sort.

I'll ask again,
are you a rosicrucian (or a mason)?

This is absolutely the "new world order" of conspiracy talk.
I will agree that many\most of these conspiracies have large inaccurate chunks in them,
but there is a general cohesion of ideas centered around a secret decision making body (the secret societies) that are pushing the world to be remade in an image which it sees as best, but may not actually BE best for humanity.

This is NOT just some "new age woman from the 30's".
She is integrally connected with the United Nations structure, as a spiritual and practical leader of it's purposes. Lucis Trust has standing as an NGO, and sits on the United Nations Economic and Social Council. It was allegedly an original publishing house of the UN, and it has a temple erected WITHIN the United Nations building. It's called The Temple of Understanding. Again, she's not just some random "new ager".

Also, you completely ignore the fact that the Rosicrucian fraternity, and "the brotherhood", or "the Hierarchy" (as Alice Bailey calls it) is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE for the New Age.

Want proof?

Here, from a oversized pamphlet from 1929, that i picked up at the Bhodi Tree New Age Book Store in Los Angeles, last year, before Pearl Jam:

The Confederation of Initiates
a pamphlet by the Priesthood of Aeth, governing council of the Rose Cross Order,
Beverly Hall Corporation, 1929

Opening page of text [italics original, bold is by me]:

In as far as present humanity is concerned, there have been but two ages - the Egyptian adn the Christian. The Egyptian age influenced, in fact, gave birth, to the Christian, for it is written that "out of Egypt have I called my Son," and it was this Son who inaugurated the Christian age.

The fullness of life is a composite of three, the Trinity. Two Ages have passed by, though we are still vitally bound to the letter of the second, - the Christian; but the New Age, born of the old, has set in and this fulfills the Law of the Trinity. We are now in the Manistic Age - the Age of Man, and we of this Age must become just that or be annihilated and give place to a more Law-abiding and Law-fulfilling creation.

As for Ancient and glorious Egypt, Osiris and the Priesthood of Osiris were born, for the second Age, the cult of the Christians, so, for the third and completing Age, is born the Fraternity or Confederation of the Initiates, the Heirs or Inheritors of all the ages.

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I will not allow you to continue to separate concepts at your pleasure, and then turn around and insinuate that it is only by MY paranoid delusion that these things fit together.

The New World Order, and The New Age, are direct and blatant products of Rosicrucian \ Illuminist "brotherhood" esoteric\occult philosophy. I could go on and on.

You want to see how far back this talk of a "New World Order" or "new global order" goes? This is just open and accountable history, not pre history, or speculative \ secret \ or arcane "history".

From the book, Isaac Newton and the Tranmutation of Alchemy - An Alternate View of the Scientific Revolution, we read about John Dee -- the odd Alchemist & Rosicrucian who was a "magical" adviser to Queen Elizabeth, herself. John Dee started having seances with scryers\mediums (because, i don't know if you folks are aware, but when the term Cabala is mentioned, THE purpose if Cabala is *communication with angelic beings*) wherein he and his medium purported to be communicating with an angel named Uriel, and then later, the biblical Archangel Michael, himself.

Here is the relevant passage, page 38, chapter, "Dee's Angelic Mission":

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Dee's subsequent behavior suggests this period of five days ending April 29, 1582 was a hinge in the fifty-four-year-old man's life. During that interval he: heard Michael urge him to "Go forward" and promise divine guidance and support; was symbolically knighted by the archangel; and learned that a new global order was to be established, the clear implication being that Dee himself was to be the earthly instrument of that work. Presumably the information contained in the intricate table of tables [a cabalistic table] would provide (if he could decipher it) a blueprint for the political, religious, educational, scientific, and mercantile makeover of the world. Biographer Benjamin Woolley pointed out that "the angelic revelations about to be delivered were not about personal but political salvation, creating a new global order run according to divine principles.

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Here we have a historically determined Rosicrucian, FROM 1582, claiming to be receiving angelic revelation about a new global order.

Fast forward to the great war years of the 1900's, and we have "new age" writers, clearly discussing their "hierarchy" (thin code for Rosicrucian \ Illuminist hidden structure) and its plans for a "New World Order", and you are sitting here denying any relation.

I could start pulling in even more referential frame work, but i'm gonna go mulch my yard.

Dan, i never denied that a good chunk of what this woman writes is well intentioned.
Hell almost *everything* i have ever directly read by the Rosicrucians and the Freemasons has been the most well meaning WRITING ... but i fail to see the connection between their words on paper and their deeds in action.

And, at least, in the case of Alice Bailey here in this book, i see in their writing alone, SERIOUS PHILOSOPHIC ERRORS, which you know as "Socialism", and which you here even still try and defend.

What is wrong with what she has written?
Everything.

Man, can not, and NEVER will be motivated to work FOR OTHERS at anywhere NEAR the capacity that he works for himself. This was demonstrated ad nauseum in Communist Russia on their communal workers farms. The production rates on communal farms (where the fruits of labor were taken from the worker and given to the collective group) were DISMAL when compared with the very small percentage of farms that remained in private hands. [ i forget the exact statistics but i want to say something like the 3% offarms remaining in private hands produced like 33% of all domestic food staples except grain].

The notion of extracting from one group what is their legitimate production, and hand it over unconditionally to another group based on their "need" is NOT "charity", it is known as ENTITLEMENT, and it is predicated on the notion that someone deserves something FOR NOTHING at the expense of another who is to receive NOTHING for something.

I find this idea abhorrent, and liable to produce the most monstrously vile system of dependency, weakness, laziness, backwardness in the recipient group (those with the "need") and eventually to produce the same, along with an unhealthy dose of anger, resentment, and disillusionment in the productive group (those who are "capable" according Marx and Bailey).

Even if this system is so debased as to steal from the "haves" indirectly, via taxation, or even further hidden through the vehicle of government out the back door of the country ... the draining of one nation to pour its resources in to the coffers of another, is both an instrument of blatant wealth redistribution, and also sets the doors for the vassalage of the recipient country, to be dependent on it's beneficent master, and slave to the conditions or provisions that it sets forth.

You may argue that this is imminently "better" than the current system of Western exploitation of the rest of the world ... i argue it is even more slimy and subversive of true liberty.

If you are going to try and tell me that the only way to be fair and just in this world is to STEAL from the "haves", as much without their knowledge as possible (since this would both lower production and insight revolt in the working class), in order to feed and clothe the "have-nots", then i will just have to violently disagree that this is a fair or effective strategy for solving anything other than the further debasement of the entire human population down to the lowest common denominator. That is, by the way, a STATED goal of the communist\socialist:

"Through a systematic terror, during which every breach of contract, every treason, every lie will be lawful, we will find the way to abase humanity down to the lowest level of existence. This is indispensible to the establishment of our dominance." - Vladimir Lenin

OutOfBreath

Ah, you nailed me. Let me just find my rosicrucian mason of the 50th degree card here, and I'll show you. :roll: As if i have to be one of "them" not to see what you're seeing in the way you are seeing it. I'm not saying you are crazy or anything, I AM saying that many of the links you propagate are speculative at best, and based on pure superficial or imagined connections at worst. Usually spun around a seed of facts.

My contention is still that you always read this stuff looking for any allusion whatsoever to forces beyond "our" control, and immediately attribute it to the secret brotherhood. There is no coincidence, right? Here, when you add the setting of new-agey woman talking to spirits into the interpretation, I am nowhere close to getting your interpretation out of it. It seems you see something that can be understood as socialism (the horror!) and if the person can be loosely connected to the UN or whatever, then presto, you have all the confirmation you need. (Btw that the UN has a "temple of understanding" I find completely plausible and very un-scary. They're supposed to be neutral, so churches, mosques or the like is out of the question. But it's nice to have a room for peace and quiet which people of all religions can use equally.)

I know you hate socialism, but I can tell you as a socialistically inclined person that I do not see the Soviet and similar as anything but a dictatorship with a different name. I am not even rejecting capitalism, although I am a fan of "interfering" with it to maximize public good out of the system. The fundamental idea of everyone sharing all resources is good. The trick is finding the system that will make it work.

See, this is not alluding to a secret decision-making body that will make this happen, but referring to open political processes and in this case my own political opinions. Had I said this and been rich or member of the masons or whatever, you'd use this to show how "they" think, and proof it's all a big socialist conspiracy. Anyway, this is regular politics, nothing scary conspiracyey stuff.

Feel free to connect dots, but dont get all puffed up if others suggest that there are indeed simpler or better ways to draw lines between the dots or suggest that some dots are just specks of dust.

Edit: As for Dee and that stuff, that's like prophecy, keep it general enough and you can't be wrong...

Peace
Dan