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  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    for 30 unpaid bills, i have also known people who have been on the other side and been arrested for things that they didn't do.

    I am not saying that everyone should be released and that is quite a sad story. I raised a concern about releasing people names to the public. as for the scumbag statement, lets just hope the next person who is wrongly conviction is not close to you and they gotten beaten up or killed.

    finally, this is a place to debate so i don't know if you should finish off your post with " the Canadian Justice system is a joke. No debate"



  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    edited June 2014
    fife said:

    for 30 unpaid bills, i have also known people who have been on the other side and been arrested for things that they didn't do.

    I am not saying that everyone should be released and that is quite a sad story. I raised a concern about releasing people names to the public. as for the scumbag statement, lets just hope the next person who is wrongly conviction is not close to you and they gotten beaten up or killed.

    finally, this is a place to debate so i don't know if you should finish off your post with " the Canadian Justice system is a joke. No debate"



    he usually, at some point in a discussion about lenient justice topics, ends at least one post with that very statement. you'll get used to it.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

    no one is advocating for certain individuals. we're advocating the administration of justice in a fair manner for all. again, you claim vigilantiism to be a viable solution. good lord.

    I guess I'll have to use the 'tongue in cheek' icon a little better. Obviously I am not advocating for people taking the law into their own hands and I'm pretty sure you knew this.

    If we're advocating the administration of justice in a fair manner for all... then you must agree with me that our penalties and turnstile penal system are incredibly weak and inadequate to label them as even remotely 'justice'. Are we arguing or agreeing?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

    fife said:

    for 30 unpaid bills, i have also known people who have been on the other side and been arrested for things that they didn't do.

    I am not saying that everyone should be released and that is quite a sad story. I raised a concern about releasing people names to the public. as for the scumbag statement, lets just hope the next person who is wrongly conviction is not close to you and they gotten beaten up or killed.

    finally, this is a place to debate so i don't know if you should finish off your post with " the Canadian Justice system is a joke. No debate"



    he usually, at some point in a discussion about lenient justice topics, ends at least one post with that very statement. you'll get used to it.

    Okay.
    Seeing as we're in the business of making clarifications as to people's internet behaviours... be prepared for Hugh to get a little huffy if the discussion starts going badly for him and declare that he's done playing internet. But don't worry... he'll be back.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited June 2014
    fife said:

    for 30 unpaid bills, i have also known people who have been on the other side and been arrested for things that they didn't do.

    I am not saying that everyone should be released and that is quite a sad story. I raised a concern about releasing people names to the public. as for the scumbag statement, lets just hope the next person who is wrongly conviction is not close to you and they gotten beaten up or killed.

    finally, this is a place to debate so i don't know if you should finish off your post with " the Canadian Justice system is a joke. No debate"



    You did raise a point about releasing names to the public in an effort to protect identities just in case they were wrongfully convicted. If you are serious about protecting all identities as policy, then there is a trade off: the public is uninformed that there is a violent criminal who preys on women/children living beside them; hence, no 'precautions' are taken to safeguard themselves and their family from someone who, at least in this case, lurks in the weeds waiting to act out again. This is a trade off I am not personally in favour of making.

    The scumbag comment your refer to... that scumbag reoffended within a half a year... was not a wrongfully convicted case. He was reconvicted for another violent kidnap and rape. What's your problem with this statement to prompt you to remind me of the fact that there are some wrongful convictions I should be wary of? I understand there are a few innocents serving time for something they didn't do. This is horrible, but it doesn't mean we roll out the red carpet for those found with blood on their hands.

    I'll rephrase my last statement: I think the Canadian Justice system is a colossal joke.
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

    fife said:

    for 30 unpaid bills, i have also known people who have been on the other side and been arrested for things that they didn't do.

    I am not saying that everyone should be released and that is quite a sad story. I raised a concern about releasing people names to the public. as for the scumbag statement, lets just hope the next person who is wrongly conviction is not close to you and they gotten beaten up or killed.

    finally, this is a place to debate so i don't know if you should finish off your post with " the Canadian Justice system is a joke. No debate"



    he usually, at some point in a discussion about lenient justice topics, ends at least one post with that very statement. you'll get used to it.

    Okay.
    Seeing as we're in the business of making clarifications as to people's internet behaviours... be prepared for Hugh to get a little huffy if the discussion starts going badly for him and declare that he's done playing internet. But don't worry... he'll be back.
    I didn't leave because of one specific thread or person or because I was "losing" any argument. That very idea is why I left. People seem to want to "win" as opposed to learning and discussing. All of your "debate over" comments are counterproductive to what AMT is supposed to be.

    it's unfortunate if someone is wrongfully convicted of a sex crime. But society must react and engage in policies where the courts leave us with. If he is found to have been wrongfully convicted at some point, then compensation can be dealt with at that time. No different than if a person is found not guilty, but everyone knows he is, and posters don't go up.
    Gimli 1993
    Fargo 2003
    Winnipeg 2005
    Winnipeg 2011
    St. Paul 2014
  • Hugh Freaking Dillon
    Hugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

    no one is advocating for certain individuals. we're advocating the administration of justice in a fair manner for all. again, you claim vigilantiism to be a viable solution. good lord.

    I guess I'll have to use the 'tongue in cheek' icon a little better. Obviously I am not advocating for people taking the law into their own hands and I'm pretty sure you knew this.

    If we're advocating the administration of justice in a fair manner for all... then you must agree with me that our penalties and turnstile penal system are incredibly weak and inadequate to label them as even remotely 'justice'. Are we arguing or agreeing?
    you have advocated for violence against "scumbags", and said it several times in several threads on several similar topics. No, I can't know if you were serious or not. I can only take your comments at face value, and if it's not immediately evident that it is sarcasm, then I don't take it as such

    It's not the entire system that sucks. It's the lenient sentencing and ridiculous parole reg's that are the problem. Letting people have multiple chances for the same crime (drinking and driving, for instance), is sick.
    Gimli 1993
    Fargo 2003
    Winnipeg 2005
    Winnipeg 2011
    St. Paul 2014
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

    no one is advocating for certain individuals. we're advocating the administration of justice in a fair manner for all. again, you claim vigilantiism to be a viable solution. good lord.

    I guess I'll have to use the 'tongue in cheek' icon a little better. Obviously I am not advocating for people taking the law into their own hands and I'm pretty sure you knew this.

    If we're advocating the administration of justice in a fair manner for all... then you must agree with me that our penalties and turnstile penal system are incredibly weak and inadequate to label them as even remotely 'justice'. Are we arguing or agreeing?
    you have advocated for violence against "scumbags", and said it several times in several threads on several similar topics. No, I can't know if you were serious or not. I can only take your comments at face value, and if it's not immediately evident that it is sarcasm, then I don't take it as such

    It's not the entire system that sucks. It's the lenient sentencing and ridiculous parole reg's that are the problem. Letting people have multiple chances for the same crime (drinking and driving, for instance), is sick.
    It's just my passion, Hugh. I see red every time I read of such nonsense and sometimes speak a lot tougher than what I truly feel (yes... emotionally).

    I agree with what you are saying in your last section here. I also don't wish to come off as dismissive or flippant. Both you and Fife are no dummies and I do value your comments and thoughts- you personally have made me reflect on my own thoughts and values several times. Thanks.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    thanks 30bills. another thought just popped into my head about the releasing of names. it would be interesting to see if releasing names to the public would increase public safety or would it drive these people into hiding where police might not have their whereabouts and hence maybe decrease public safety.

    I wonder if there has ever been a report like that?
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

    fife said:

    for 30 unpaid bills, i have also known people who have been on the other side and been arrested for things that they didn't do.

    I am not saying that everyone should be released and that is quite a sad story. I raised a concern about releasing people names to the public. as for the scumbag statement, lets just hope the next person who is wrongly conviction is not close to you and they gotten beaten up or killed.

    finally, this is a place to debate so i don't know if you should finish off your post with " the Canadian Justice system is a joke. No debate"



    he usually, at some point in a discussion about lenient justice topics, ends at least one post with that very statement. you'll get used to it.

    Okay.
    Seeing as we're in the business of making clarifications as to people's internet behaviours... be prepared for Hugh to get a little huffy if the discussion starts going badly for him and declare that he's done playing internet. But don't worry... he'll be back.
    I didn't leave because of one specific thread or person or because I was "losing" any argument. That very idea is why I left. People seem to want to "win" as opposed to learning and discussing. All of your "debate over" comments are counterproductive to what AMT is supposed to be.

    Great point. This is a problem here on AMT. I think it keeps a lot of people from trying to join the conversation. Getting railroaded when you have a different opinion is a big turn off. I've been guilty of it a few times but I try and keep it to a minimum, it just entrenches people in their views and adds nothing to the discussion.

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