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NothinManNothinMan Posts: 45
edited June 2010 in The Porch
I started listening to my PJ collection earlier today and when I reached the track "Brother" off of Lost Dogs, it occurred to me that without the vocals there is a lot missing from that song. I haven't heard that song with vocals in a very long time, not since I downloaded it many years ago from Josh Wardell's legendary mp3 archive. So, the question is, where can I find a legitimate copy of this song, preferably a studio version? Is it available as the B side to a single, in some imported cd, or in any other legitimate source? Alternately, if no legitimate studio release exists, which live shows have the best version?
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    pjfansince10pjfansince10 Posts: 49
    Try the Ten Redux version that was released last year.
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    HatrietHatriet Posts: 80
    I don't know if this is what you're looking for but I just found brother with vocals on YouTube, I never knew it had vocals because I've only heard it on Lost Dogs so thank you for letting me know it did :mrgreen:

    This is the YouTube link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW4KVXRGQOA :)

    Thanks again, be sound 8-)
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    JM187052JM187052 Posts: 69
    A lot has happened with brother in the last couple years hah...I'm pretty sure it went to number 1. It was the lead single of the ten reissue last year.
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    NothinManNothinMan Posts: 45
    pjfansince10 wrote:
    Try the Ten Redux version that was released last year.

    The Ten Redux cd is so terribly produced that I have been able to put my ears through it on only a handful of occasions. I had completely forgotten that a version of Brother existed on that cd. I will definitely listen to it now, but given the poor production quality of this version, does anyone have a suggestion of another version that does not fall victim to the mp3 era loudness war? Thanks just the same for reminding me Brother was on there. There must be a better version though.
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    Long Road_WILong Road_WI Posts: 145
    I'm not sure of a better quality studio version, but there are some decent live versions out there from last years tour. I believe they also played it at one show this year, but not sure where.
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    NothinManNothinMan Posts: 45
    I am almost positive I heard a studio version on mp3 long before Ten redux existed (sometime back in the late 90s). But, I could be wrong. Back then I couldn't afford good stereo equipment and didn't know what well produced music sounded like; so maybe I was just listening to a good live version that sounded like a studio version to my untrained ears at the time.
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    cutzcutz Posts: 11,573
    DJ273378 wrote:
    I'm not sure of a better quality studio version, but there are some decent live versions out there from last years tour. I believe they also played it at one show this year, but not sure where.


    They played Brother in Newark. I've heard a AUD. recording, and it sounded pretty good. But, i know you're looking for a better quality, so wait for the Boot, i guess.
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    gmarvingmarvin Seattle Posts: 15
    Check out this site: gremmie.net. Look under ten demos.
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    PJFAN13PJFAN13 Posts: 1,422
    Funny - many moons ago I got "Bridges" - a 4 disc box set and it has a great version of Brother from 91-92 - always wanted a "better sounding" version - so I was psyched when Lost Dogs came out - first song I played when I cracked the seal, just to get the instrumental version :evil: ...once it came out on Ten Re-Dux, I was so happy...saw them in SD in 09 and MSG 2 a few weeks back hoping for them to bust it out...unfortunately it wasn't in the cards :)

    Defintely lacks something without Ed's vocals...
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    KarleyKarley Posts: 506
    Saw Brother in Berlin last year but I don't really know what to make of this song...the version of SOLAT from Ten Redux on the other hand... :!:
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    TravelarTravelar Kalamazoo, USA Posts: 3,376
    PJFAN13 wrote:
    Funny - many moons ago I got "Bridges" - a 4 disc box set and it has a great version of Brother from 91-92 - always wanted a "better sounding" version

    I think the lyrics between the two versions are quite different if I remember right.... so hang onto that old version. :) Or maybe the lyrics were just re-recorded. I can't remember.
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,642
    Saw Brother in Berlin last year but I don't really know what to make of this song...

    Sounded bad live, sounds bad on the boot.
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    PearlJamPatriotPearlJamPatriot Posts: 2,426
    I keep a pretty extensive A-Z with different versions of songs. Here are some different versions of Brother:

    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=H298EOOS
    Pearl Jam Shows: 1998 - 9/11 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 9/13 Hartford, CT || 2000 - 8/24 Wantagh, NY (Jones Beach 2); 8/27 Saratoga Springs; 8/29 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 8/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2) || 2003 - 4/29 Albany, NY; 5/3 State College, PA; 7/2 Mansfield (night 1); 7/6 Camden, NJ (night 2); 7/8 New York, NY (MSG night 1) || 2004 - 9/28 Boston, MA (night 1); 9/29 Boston, MA (night 2) || 2005 - 10/3 Philadelphia, PA || 2006 - 5/12 Albany, NY; 5/13 Hartford, CT; 5/24 Boston, MA (night 1); 5/25 Boston, MA (night 2); 5/27 Camden, NJ (night 1); 5/28 Camden, NJ (night 2)|| 2008 - 6/19 Camden, NJ (night 1); 6/24 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 6/25 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 6/27 Hartford, CT; 6/28 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 6/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2); 7/1 New York, NY (Beacon Theater)|| 2009 - 9/21 Seattle, WA (night 1); 9/22 Seattle, WA (night 2); 10/27 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 1); 10/28 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 2); 10/30 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 3); 10/31 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 4)|| 2010 - 5/15 Hartford, CT; 5/17 Boston, MA; 5/20 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 5/21 New York, NY (MSG night 2)|| 2011 - 9/3 East Troy, WI (PJ20); 9/4 East Troy, WI (PJ20) || 2012 - 9/2 Philadelphia, PA, 9/30 Missoula, MT || 2013 - 7/19 Chicago, IL (Wrigley Field), 10/12 Buffalo, NY, 10/15 Worcester, MA (night 1), 10/16 Worcester, MA (night 2), 10/18 Brooklyn, NY (night 1), 10/19 Brooklyn, NY (night 2), 10/25 Hartford, CT || 2014 - 10/22 Denver, CO || 2015 -  9/26 New York, NY (Global Citizen Festival) || 2016 - 5/1 New York, NY (night 1), 5/2 New York, NY (night 2), 8/5 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1), 8/7 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 2) || 2018 - 9/2 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1) || 2020 - 3/30 New York, NY
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    arthurdentarthurdent Posts: 969
    Cacique wrote:
    I downloaded it many years ago from Josh Wardell's legendary mp3 archive.


    man, that's old school :) I remember finding that around my freshman year of college :) IIRC, he also hosted the leaked Yield tracks in late '97.


    AFAIK, there are several different studio versions of brother.
    1.) from the "Rough Mixes" bootleg. Original mix from 10 sessions.
    2.) from http://www.pjcollectors.com/detail.asp?id=1106. A cleaned-up version of the rough mix.
    3.) instrumental from LD.
    4.) Ten Redux version: roughly same as instrumental, with new vox added circa 02/03.
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    megatronmegatron Posts: 3,420
    8-24-09 chicago

    i think they hit it note for note in chicago. i love that version.
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    wozza77wozza77 Posts: 300
    try shepherds Bush boot last year.
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    SoonForgotten2SoonForgotten2 Posts: 2,245
    jones wrote:
    8-24-09 chicago

    i think they hit it note for note in chicago. i love that version.

    Pretty sure Ed flubs the lyrics though.
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    PearlJamPatriotPearlJamPatriot Posts: 2,426
    Cacique wrote:
    I haven't heard that song with vocals in a very long time, not since I downloaded it many years ago from Josh Wardell's legendary mp3 archive

    Oh yea. I was at college in upstate NY when I found Josh Wardell's page. Man I thought I hit the lottery. I was lucky too because it was 97 and my college Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute had a top notch computer network. So I was able to download a ton of rare shit from his site at a time where downloading songs was in its infancy. And you mostly were using dial-up, which took a whole day to dl one song. It was great also because around that time, mid-late 90's I used to go hunting for bootlegs with rare PJ songs on it and pay $25-$75. So his site was a godsend.

    Then I got into peer to peer trading programs. i used DC++ a while back to attain many of my PJ concerts. It was a peer-to-peer program so you would share what you had for shows so people could dl what you had and others did the same. This was all before Napster, torrents and before file trading exploded. Now a days its much easier to find anything you want.

    Anyway, I put countless hours into my collection. But it was fun. I miss those early days, and still am loving the present. Oh, sorry to go on a rant and off topic.
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    Dru_CortezDru_Cortez Posts: 953
    Spiritual_Chaos wrote:
    Saw Brother in Berlin last year but I don't really know what to make of this song...

    Sounded bad live, sounds bad on the boot.
    They played it for the
    August '09 Calgary show as well.
    1st time live after the Ten Redux release, as far as I know.
    Sounds pretty decent on the bootleg,
    though I think it was the 1st encore,
    so Eddie was already starting to get winded!
    Cheers.
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    PearlJamPatriotPearlJamPatriot Posts: 2,426
    Dru_Cortez wrote:
    Spiritual_Chaos wrote:
    Saw Brother in Berlin last year but I don't really know what to make of this song...

    Sounded bad live, sounds bad on the boot.
    They played it for the
    August '09 Calgary show as well.
    1st time live after the Ten Redux release, as far as I know.
    Sounds pretty decent on the bootleg,
    though I think it was the 1st encore,
    so Eddie was already starting to get winded!
    Cheers.
    Thats the live 2009 one i put in that link i posted earlier in this thread. I absolutely love The Ten era Brother. The Rough Mix cut rules. I cant say I really like the new studio cut. It just doesnt flow smooth or have that raw emotion behind it anymore. Vedder sounds like hes singing to record it because he has too, not because he is really into it. There was a big fight over this song back in the day.
    Pearl Jam Shows: 1998 - 9/11 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 9/13 Hartford, CT || 2000 - 8/24 Wantagh, NY (Jones Beach 2); 8/27 Saratoga Springs; 8/29 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 8/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2) || 2003 - 4/29 Albany, NY; 5/3 State College, PA; 7/2 Mansfield (night 1); 7/6 Camden, NJ (night 2); 7/8 New York, NY (MSG night 1) || 2004 - 9/28 Boston, MA (night 1); 9/29 Boston, MA (night 2) || 2005 - 10/3 Philadelphia, PA || 2006 - 5/12 Albany, NY; 5/13 Hartford, CT; 5/24 Boston, MA (night 1); 5/25 Boston, MA (night 2); 5/27 Camden, NJ (night 1); 5/28 Camden, NJ (night 2)|| 2008 - 6/19 Camden, NJ (night 1); 6/24 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 6/25 New York, NY (MSG night 2); 6/27 Hartford, CT; 6/28 Mansfield, MA (night 1); 6/30 Mansfield, MA (night 2); 7/1 New York, NY (Beacon Theater)|| 2009 - 9/21 Seattle, WA (night 1); 9/22 Seattle, WA (night 2); 10/27 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 1); 10/28 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 2); 10/30 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 3); 10/31 Philadelphia, PA (Spectrum night 4)|| 2010 - 5/15 Hartford, CT; 5/17 Boston, MA; 5/20 New York, NY (MSG night 1); 5/21 New York, NY (MSG night 2)|| 2011 - 9/3 East Troy, WI (PJ20); 9/4 East Troy, WI (PJ20) || 2012 - 9/2 Philadelphia, PA, 9/30 Missoula, MT || 2013 - 7/19 Chicago, IL (Wrigley Field), 10/12 Buffalo, NY, 10/15 Worcester, MA (night 1), 10/16 Worcester, MA (night 2), 10/18 Brooklyn, NY (night 1), 10/19 Brooklyn, NY (night 2), 10/25 Hartford, CT || 2014 - 10/22 Denver, CO || 2015 -  9/26 New York, NY (Global Citizen Festival) || 2016 - 5/1 New York, NY (night 1), 5/2 New York, NY (night 2), 8/5 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1), 8/7 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 2) || 2018 - 9/2 Boston, MA (Fenway Park night 1) || 2020 - 3/30 New York, NY
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    hrd2imgnhrd2imgn Southwest Burbs of Chicago Posts: 4,881
    the rough mixes version is still the best
    'it was also on that rarities and unreleased cuts cd that floated around, a pretty good version

    it is out there eon torrent sites

    pm me an email and I can send a version of it in mp3
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    pdalowskypdalowsky Doncaster,UK Posts: 14,960
    really the ten redux is so badly produced??
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    megatronmegatron Posts: 3,420
    SoonForgotten2 wrote:
    jones wrote:
    8-24-09 chicago

    i think they hit it note for note in chicago. i love that version.

    Pretty sure Ed flubs the lyrics though.

    probably. i can't really tell though. i think he sounds great on this version though. even if some word's are messed up the BROOOOTHERRR scream is excellent 8-)
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    DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,413
    pdalowsky wrote:
    really the ten redux is so badly produced??

    badly mastered, not produced.


    The version on LD is painful to listen to. Mike should left those tacky leads off. I don't care what Ed told him to do, it sounds really outta place. You want bad production, leaving Mike's ill fittin guitar was bad production.
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    PearlJamPatriotPearlJamPatriot Posts: 2,426
    Update, with all the live versions.

    http://www.megaupload.com/?d=FWVYDDYE
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    Eddie Vedder solo: 2008 - Boston night 1 & 2 || 2009 - Albany, NY night 1 & 2 || 2011 - Hartford, CT, Boston, MA

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