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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    Survival of Structures and push-pull tensions

    Another concept central to The Lazy man’s Guide To Enlightenment is the study of structures.
    Thaddeus Golas felt his most important chapter within the book was entitled "Self-Improvement." The segment discusses the survival of all structures, including the self, in relation to Spiritual questing.
    “A structure,” Golas says, “is any relation between entities that avoids dissolving.” He goes on to point out that “the self that we know is a structure...”
    “An odd thing about structures is that they will dissolve both from success and failure, too much pleasure or too much pain, so the problem, if you want a structure, is to maintain a tension somewhere between the two.”

    Golas explains that the nature of all structures in our universe requires positive/negative or push/pull tension in order to avoid dissolution.
    He argues that in terms of spiritual questing, “the Ego feels better when it has to contend with the tension of threats to its survival.” Hence the warning about seeking Spiritual Enlightenment through conventional methods:

    “Negative emphasis results in an intensified structure and a stronger ego. Even though some of these activities, like self-denial, are carried on under the banner of spiritual search, the result is the same. On a subtle level we know that most spiritual endeavors will not succeed, but we go on maintaining the fantasy that they are admirable. Many of us have no intention of really succeeding in dissolving our attachment to structure and going to another plane of existence.”
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    Initiation through trials; something that man lost when we left the tribal societies. Certainly, one can still undergo a trial - some do it through fasting, physical trials, and also seclusion. The quickest and most effective trial, in my experience, is what McKenna called a "heroic dose" of lysergic or psilocybin.

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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    DALAI LAMA
    SHIFTING PERSPECTIVE

    ONCE there was a disciple of a Greek philosopher who was commanded by his master for 3 years to give money to everyone who insulted him.

    When this period of trial was over the master said to him 'now you can go to Athens and learn wisdom.

    When the disciple was entering athens he met a certain wise man who sat at the gate insulting everybody who came and went. he also insulted the disciple, who burst out laughing.

    'Why do you laugh when i insult you?' said the wise man.

    Because, said the disciple, for three years i have been paying for this kind of thing and now you give it me for nothing.

    'Enter the city' said the wise man, 'it is all yours.....'
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    My favorite philosopher, Diogenes, searching for an honest man...

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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    My favorite philosopher, Diogenes, searching for an honest man...

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    kewl

    I like the way you just trip off the tongue 'my favourite philosohpher'

    Do you know Monty Python philosopher's football match?

    Mine is definitely Hegel
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  • he still standshe still stands Posts: 2,835
    Diogenes was a staunch admirer of Hercules. He believed that virtue was better revealed in action and not theory. His life was a relentless campaign to debunk the social values and institutions of what he saw as a corrupt society.

    Diogenes was a self-appointed public scold whose mission was to demonstrate to the ancient Greeks that civilization is regressive. He taught by living example that wisdom and happiness belong to the man who is independent of society. Diogenes scorned not only family and political social organization, but property rights and reputation. The most shocking feature of his philosophy is his rejection of normal ideas about human decency. Exhibitionist and philosopher, Diogenes is said to have eaten in the marketplace,[39] urinated on some people who insulted him,[40] defecated in the theatre,[41] masturbated in public and pointed at people with his middle finger.[42] Sympathizers considered him a devotee of reason and an exemplar of honesty. Detractors have said he was an obnoxious beggar and an offensive grouch.

    It is not known, for example, whether Diogenes made a virtue of naked survival out of necessity or whether he really preferred poverty and homelessness. In any case, Diogenes did "make a case" for benefits of a reduced lifestyle. He apparently proved to the satisfaction of the Stoics who came after him that happiness has nothing whatever to do with a person's material circumstances. The Stoics developed this theme, but made it benign. Epictetus, for example, preached the virtue of modesty and inoffensiveness, but maintained that misfortune is good for the development of strong character.

    Diogenes maintained that all the artificial growths of society were incompatible with happiness and that morality implies a return to the simplicity of nature. So great was his austerity and simplicity that the Stoics would later claim him to be a wise man or "sophos". In his words, "Humans have complicated every simple gift of the gods."[32] Although Socrates had previously identified himself as belonging to the world, rather than a city,[33] Diogenes is credited with the first known use of the word "cosmopolitan". When he was asked where he came from, he replied, "I am a citizen of the world (cosmopolites)".[34] This was a radical claim in a world where a man's identity was intimately tied to his citizenship in a particular city state. An exile and an outcast, a man with no social identity, Diogenes made a mark on his contemporaries. His story, however uncertain the details, continues to fascinate students of human nature.

    - from Wikipedia
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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
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    Diogenes was a staunch admirer of Hercules. He believed that virtue was better revealed in action and not theory. His life was a relentless campaign to debunk [good word!! - Wikipedia is a viable communist enterprise surely!?] the social values and institutions of what he saw as a corrupt society.

    Diogenes was a self-appointed public scold whose mission was to demonstrate to the ancient Greeks that civilization is regressive [quite possibly - hopefully not, think Hegel would disagree] . He taught by living example that wisdom and happiness belong to the man who is independent of society [sounds a bit like myself and the leathermen! :lol:] . Diogenes scorned not only family and political social organization, but property rights and reputation.


    [I love this next bit! (v) wikipedia comes up trumps!!

    The most shocking feature of his philosophy is his rejection of normal ideas about human decency. Exhibitionist and philosopher, Diogenes is said to have eaten in the marketplace,[39] urinated on some people who insulted him,[40] defecated in the theatre,[41] masturbated in public and pointed at people with his middle finger.[is this of equal footing with the other offences??][42] Sympathizers considered him a devotee of reason and an exemplar of honesty. Detractors have said he was an obnoxious beggar and an offensive grouch. [I've heard worse, tho none so pithy!!]

    It is not known, for example, whether Diogenes made a virtue of naked survival out of necessity or whether he really preferred poverty and homelessness. In any case, Diogenes did "make a case" for benefits of a reduced lifestyle. He apparently proved to the satisfaction of the Stoics who came after him that happiness has nothing whatever to do with a person's material circumstances. The Stoics developed this theme, but made it benign. Epictetus, for example, preached the virtue of modesty and inoffensiveness, but maintained that misfortune is good for the development of strong character.

    Diogenes maintained that all the artificial growths of society were incompatible with happiness and that morality implies a return to the simplicity of nature. So great was his austerity and simplicity that the Stoics would later claim him to be a wise man or "sophos". In his words, "Humans have complicated every simple gift of the gods."[32] Although Socrates had previously identified himself as belonging to the world, rather than a city,[33] Diogenes is credited with the first known use of the word "cosmopolitan". When he was asked where he came from, he replied, "I am a citizen of the world (cosmopolites)".[34] This was a radical claim in a world where a man's identity was intimately tied to his citizenship in a particular city state. An exile and an outcast, a man with no social identity, Diogenes made a mark on his contemporaries. His story, however uncertain the details, continues to fascinate students of human nature.


    Sounds a bloody good bloke!! - quite a lot of Lao-Tzu in there!
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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    Here are the things that would make me happy. I do not desire others.
    I want a room of my own where I can work. A room not particularly
    clean or tidy...but comfortable, cosy and familiar. With an atmosphere
    rich with smoke and the smell of old books and unidentifiable smells...
    I want respectable clothes that are well worn and a pair of old shoes.
    I want a shower in summer and a fine wood fire in winter.
    I want a home where I can be myself.
    I want a few good friends who are as familiar to me as life itself;
    friends with whom it is not necessary to be polite and who will tell me
    all their troubles; friends able to quote Aristotle and recount racy tales,
    who have their own beliefs and respect mine.
    I want a good cook who knows how to make delicious soups
    and an old servant who thinks I am a great man, without knowing exactly
    what my greatness may be built on.
    I want a good library, good cigars and a woman who understands me
    and leaves me to get on with my work.
    I want the freedom to be myself.



    Lin Yutang
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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
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    the spectrum of emotional memory
    diverse & distinct
    as colour, sound & smell
    this is not animal impulse
    it is sentient flavour
    triggering qualities past
    i have no name to describe it
    this is part of me only



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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    Shelley
    (from) Alastor, or, the Spirit of Solitude


    (one of the few things that seems to work better in e-form than on paper! An immense stream of intense language)


    By solemn vision and bright silver dream
    His infancy was nurtured. Every sight
    And sound from the vast earth and ambient air
    Sent to his heart its choicest impulses.
    The fountains of divine philosophy
    Fled not his thirsting lips, and all of great,
    Or good, or lovely, which the sacred past
    In truth or fable consecrates, he felt
    And knew. When early youth had passed, he left
    His cold fireside and alienated home
    To seek strange truths in undiscovered lands.
    Many a wide waste and tangled wilderness
    Has lured his fearless steps; and he has bought
    With his sweet voice and eyes, from savage men,
    His rest and food. Nature's most secret steps
    He like her shadow has pursued, where'er
    The red volcano overcanopies
    Its fields of snow and pinnacles of ice
    With burning smoke, or where bitumen lakes
    On black bare pointed islets ever beat
    With sluggish surge, or where the secret caves,
    Rugged and dark, winding among the springs
    Of fire and poison, inaccessible
    To avarice or pride, their starry domes
    Of diamond and of gold expand above
    Numberless and immeasurable halls,
    Frequent with crystal column, and clear shrines
    Of pearl, and thrones radiant with chrysolite.
    Nor had that scene of ampler majesty
    Than gems or gold, the varying roof of heaven
    And the green earth, lost in his heart its claims
    To love and wonder; he would linger long
    In lonesome vales, making the wild his home,
    Until the doves and squirrels would partake
    From his innocuous band his bloodless food,
    Lured by the gentle meaning of his looks,
    And the wild antelope, that starts whene'er
    The dry leaf rustles in the brake, suspend
    Her timid steps, to gaze upon a form
    More graceful than her own.

    .....


    Roused by the shock, he started from his trance--
    The cold white light of morning, the blue moon
    Low in the west, the clear and garish hills,
    The distinct valley and the vacant woods,
    Spread round him where he stood. Whither have fled
    The hues of heaven that canopied his bower
    Of yesternight? The sounds that soothed his sleep,
    The mystery and the majesty of Earth,
    The joy, the exultation? His wan eyes
    Gaze on the empty scene as vacantly
    As ocean's moon looks on the moon in heaven.
    The spirit of sweet human love has sent
    A vision to the sleep of him who spurned
    Her choicest gifts. He eagerly pursues
    Beyond the realms of dream that fleeting shade;
    He overleaps the bounds. Alas! alas!
    Were limbs and breath and being intertwined
    Thus treacherously? Lost, lost, forever lost
    In the wide pathless desert of dim sleep,
    That beautiful shape! Does the dark gate of death
    Conduct to thy mysterious paradise,
    O Sleep? Does the bright arch of rainbow clouds
    And pendent mountains seen in the calm lake
    Lead only to a black and watery depth,
    While death's blue vault with loathliest vapors hung,
    Where every shade which the foul grave exhales
    Hides its dead eye from the detested day,
    Conducts, O Sleep, to thy delightful realms?
    This doubt with sudden tide flowed on his heart;
    The insatiate hope which it awakened stung
    His brain even like despair.

    While daylight held
    The sky, the Poet kept mute conference
    With his still soul. At night the passion came,
    Like the fierce fiend of a distempered dream,
    And shook him from his rest, and led him forth
    Into the darkness. As an eagle, grasped
    In folds of the green serpent, feels her breast
    Burn with the poison, and precipitates
    Through night and day, tempest, and calm, and cloud,
    Frantic with dizzying anguish, her blind flight
    O'er the wide aëry wilderness: thus driven
    By the bright shadow of that lovely dream,
    Beneath the cold glare of the desolate night,
    Through tangled swamps and deep precipitous dells,
    Startling with careless step the moon-light snake,
    He fled. Red morning dawned upon his flight,
    Shedding the mockery of its vital hues
    Upon his cheek of death. He wandered on
    Till vast Aornos seen from Petra's steep
    Hung o'er the low horizon like a cloud;
    Through Balk, and where the desolated tombs
    Of Parthian kings scatter to every wind
    Their wasting dust, wildly he wandered on,
    Day after day, a weary waste of hours,
    Bearing within his life the brooding care
    That ever fed on its decaying flame.
    And now his limbs were lean; his scattered hair,
    Sered by the autumn of strange suffering,
    Sung dirges in the wind; his listless hand
    Hung like dead bone within its withered skin;
    Life, and the lustre that consumed it, shone,
    As in a furnace burning secretly,
    From his dark eyes alone. The cottagers,
    Who ministered with human charity
    His human wants, beheld with wondering awe
    Their fleeting visitant. The mountaineer,
    Encountering on some dizzy precipice
    That spectral form, deemed that the Spirit of Wind,
    With lightning eyes, and eager breath, and feet
    Disturbing not the drifted snow, had paused
    In its career; the infant would conceal
    His troubled visage in his mother's robe
    In terror at the glare of those wild eyes,
    To remember their strange light in many a dream
    Of after times; but youthful maidens, taught
    By nature, would interpret half the woe
    That wasted him, would call him with false names
    Brother and friend, would press his pallid hand
    At parting, and watch, dim through tears, the path
    Of his departure from their father's door.


    .....

    As one that in a silver vision floats
    Obedient to the sweep of odorous winds
    Upon resplendent clouds, so rapidly
    Along the dark and ruffled waters fled
    The straining boat. A whirlwind swept it on,
    With fierce gusts and precipitating force,
    Through the white ridges of the chafèd sea.
    The waves arose. Higher and higher still
    Their fierce necks writhed beneath the tempest's scourge
    Like serpents struggling in a vulture's grasp.
    Calm and rejoicing in the fearful war
    Of wave ruining on wave, and blast on blast
    Descending, and black flood on whirlpool driven
    With dark obliterating course, he sate:
    As if their genii were the ministers
    Appointed to conduct him to the light
    Of those belovèd eyes, the Poet sate,
    Holding the steady helm. Evening came on;
    The beams of sunset hung their rainbow hues
    High 'mid the shifting domes of sheeted spray
    That canopied his path o'er the waste deep;
    Twilight, ascending slowly from the east,
    Entwined in duskier wreaths her braided locks
    O'er the fair front and radiant eyes of Day;
    Night followed, clad with stars. On every side
    More horribly the multitudinous streams
    Of ocean's mountainous waste to mutual war
    Rushed in dark tumult thundering, as to mock
    The calm and spangled sky. The little boat
    Still fled before the storm; still fled, like foam
    Down the steep cataract of a wintry river;
    Now pausing on the edge of the riven wave;
    Now leaving far behind the bursting mass
    That fell, convulsing ocean; safely fled--
    As if that frail and wasted human form
    Had been an elemental god.

    At midnight
    The moon arose; and lo! the ethereal cliffs
    Of Caucasus, whose icy summits shone
    Among the stars like sunlight, and around
    Whose caverned base the whirlpools and the waves
    Bursting and eddying irresistibly
    Rage and resound forever.--Who shall save?--
    The boat fled on,--the boiling torrent drove,--
    The crags closed round with black and jagged arms,
    The shattered mountain overhung the sea,
    And faster still, beyond all human speed,
    Suspended on the sweep of the smooth wave,
    The little boat was driven. A cavern there
    Yawned, and amid its slant and winding depths
    Ingulfed the rushing sea. The boat fled on
    With unrelaxing speed.--'Vision and Love!'
    The Poet cried aloud, 'I have beheld
    The path of thy departure. Sleep and death
    Shall not divide us long.'

    .....


    The noonday sun
    Now shone upon the forest, one vast mass
    Of mingling shade, whose brown magnificence
    A narrow vale embosoms. There, huge caves,
    Scooped in the dark base of their aëry rocks,
    Mocking its moans, respond and roar forever.
    The meeting boughs and implicated leaves
    Wove twilight o'er the Poet's path, as, led
    By love, or dream, or god, or mightier Death,
    He sought in Nature's dearest haunt some bank,
    Her cradle and his sepulchre. More dark
    And dark the shades accumulate. The oak,
    Expanding its immense and knotty arms,
    Embraces the light beech. The pyramids
    Of the tall cedar overarching frame
    Most solemn domes within, and far below,
    Like clouds suspended in an emerald sky,
    The ash and the acacia floating hang
    Tremulous and pale. Like restless serpents, clothed
    In rainbow and in fire, the parasites,
    Starred with ten thousand blossoms, flow around
    The gray trunks, and, as gamesome infants' eyes,
    With gentle meanings, and most innocent wiles,
    Fold their beams round the hearts of those that love,
    These twine their tendrils with the wedded boughs,
    Uniting their close union; the woven leaves
    Make network of the dark blue light of day
    And the night's noontide clearness, mutable
    As shapes in the weird clouds. Soft mossy lawns
    Beneath these canopies extend their swells,
    Fragrant with perfumed herbs, and eyed with blooms
    Minute yet beautiful. One darkest glen
    Sends from its woods of musk-rose twined with jasmine
    A soul-dissolving odor to invite
    To some more lovely mystery. Through the dell
    Silence and Twilight here, twin-sisters, keep
    Their noonday watch, and sail among the shades,
    Like vaporous shapes half-seen; beyond, a well,
    Dark, gleaming, and of most translucent wave,
    Images all the woven boughs above,
    And each depending leaf, and every speck
    Of azure sky darting between their chasms;
    Nor aught else in the liquid mirror laves
    Its portraiture, but some inconstant star,
    Between one foliaged lattice twinkling fair,
    Or painted bird, sleeping beneath the moon,
    Or gorgeous insect floating motionless,
    Unconscious of the day, ere yet his wings
    Have spread their glories to the gaze of noon.

    Hither the Poet came. His eyes beheld
    Their own wan light through the reflected lines
    Of his thin hair, distinct in the dark depth
    Of that still fountain; as the human heart,
    Gazing in dreams over the gloomy grave,
    Sees its own treacherous likeness there. He heard
    The motion of the leaves--the grass that sprung
    Startled and glanced and trembled even to feel
    An unaccustomed presence--and the sound
    Of the sweet brook that from the secret springs
    Of that dark fountain rose. A Spirit seemed
    To stand beside him--clothed in no bright robes
    Of shadowy silver or enshrining light,
    Borrowed from aught the visible world affords
    Of grace, or majesty, or mystery;
    But undulating woods, and silent well,
    And leaping rivulet, and evening gloom
    Now deepening the dark shades, for speech assuming,
    Held commune with him, as if he and it
    Were all that was; only--when his regard
    Was raised by intense pensiveness--two eyes,
    Two starry eyes, hung in the gloom of thought,
    And seemed with their serene and azure smiles
    To beckon him.

    Obedient to the light
    That shone within his soul, he went, pursuing
    The windings of the dell. The rivulet,
    Wanton and wild, through many a green ravine
    Beneath the forest flowed. Sometimes it fell
    Among the moss with hollow harmony
    Dark and profound. Now on the polished stones
    It danced, like childhood laughing as it went;
    Then, through the plain in tranquil wanderings crept,
    Reflecting every herb and drooping bud
    That overhung its quietness.--'O stream!
    Whose source is inaccessibly profound,
    Whither do thy mysterious waters tend?
    Thou imagest my life. Thy darksome stillness,
    Thy dazzling waves, thy loud and hollow gulfs,
    Thy searchless fountain and invisible course,
    Have each their type in me; and the wide sky
    And measureless ocean may declare as soon
    What oozy cavern or what wandering cloud
    Contains thy waters, as the universe
    Tell where these living thoughts reside, when stretched
    Upon thy flowers my bloodless limbs shall waste
    I' the passing wind!'

    Beside the grassy shore
    Of the small stream he went; he did impress
    On the green moss his tremulous step, that caught
    Strong shuddering from his burning limbs. As one
    Roused by some joyous madness from the couch
    Of fever, he did move; yet not like him
    Forgetful of the grave, where, when the flame
    Of his frail exultation shall be spent,
    He must descend. With rapid steps he went
    Beneath the shade of trees, beside the flow
    Of the wild babbling rivulet; and now
    The forest's solemn canopies were changed
    For the uniform and lightsome evening sky.
    Gray rocks did peep from the spare moss, and stemmed
    The struggling brook; tall spires of windlestrae
    Threw their thin shadows down the rugged slope,
    And nought but gnarlèd roots of ancient pines
    Branchless and blasted, clenched with grasping roots
    The unwilling soil. A gradual change was here
    Yet ghastly. For, as fast years flow away,
    The smooth brow gathers, and the hair grows thin
    And white, and where irradiate dewy eyes
    Had shone, gleam stony orbs:--so from his steps
    Bright flowers departed, and the beautiful shade
    Of the green groves, with all their odorous winds
    And musical motions. Calm he still pursued
    The stream, that with a larger volume now
    Rolled through the labyrinthine dell; and there
    Fretted a path through its descending curves
    With its wintry speed. On every side now rose
    Rocks, which, in unimaginable forms,
    Lifted their black and barren pinnacles
    In the light of evening, and its precipice
    Obscuring the ravine, disclosed above,
    'Mid toppling stones, black gulfs and yawning caves,
    Whose windings gave ten thousand various tongues
    To the loud stream. Lo! where the pass expands
    Its stony jaws, the abrupt mountain breaks,
    And seems with its accumulated crags
    To overhang the world; for wide expand
    Beneath the wan stars and descending moon
    Islanded seas, blue mountains, mighty streams,
    Dim tracts and vast, robed in the lustrous gloom
    Of leaden-colored even, and fiery hills
    Mingling their flames with twilight, on the verge
    Of the remote horizon. The near scene,
    In naked and severe simplicity,
    Made contrast with the universe. A pine,
    Rock-rooted, stretched athwart the vacancy
    Its swinging boughs, to each inconstant blast
    Yielding one only response at each pause
    In most familiar cadence, with the howl,
    The thunder and the hiss of homeless streams
    Mingling its solemn song, whilst the broad river
    Foaming and hurrying o'er its rugged path,
    Fell into that immeasurable void,
    Scattering its waters to the passing winds.

    Yet the gray precipice and solemn pine
    And torrent were not all;--one silent nook
    Was there. Even on the edge of that vast mountain,
    Upheld by knotty roots and fallen rocks,
    It overlooked in its serenity
    The dark earth and the bending vault of stars.
    It was a tranquil spot that seemed to smile
    Even in the lap of horror. Ivy clasped
    The fissured stones with its entwining arms,
    And did embower with leaves forever green
    And berries dark the smooth and even space
    Of its inviolated floor; and here
    The children of the autumnal whirlwind bore
    In wanton sport those bright leaves whose decay,
    Red, yellow, or ethereally pale,
    Rivals the pride of summer. 'T is the haunt
    Of every gentle wind whose breath can teach
    The wilds to love tranquillity. One step,
    One human step alone, has ever broken
    The stillness of its solitude; one voice
    Alone inspired its echoes;--even that voice
    Which hither came, floating among the winds,
    And led the loveliest among human forms
    To make their wild haunts the depository
    Of all the grace and beauty that endued
    Its motions, render up its majesty,
    Scatter its music on the unfeeling storm,
    And to the damp leaves and blue cavern mould,
    Nurses of rainbow flowers and branching moss,
    Commit the colors of that varying cheek,
    That snowy breast, those dark and drooping eyes.

    The dim and hornèd moon hung low, and poured
    A sea of lustre on the horizon's verge
    That overflowed its mountains. Yellow mist
    Filled the unbounded atmosphere, and drank
    Wan moonlight even to fulness; not a star
    Shone, not a sound was heard; the very winds,
    Danger's grim playmates, on that precipice
    Slept, clasped in his embrace.--O storm of death,
    Whose sightless speed divides this sullen night!
    And thou, colossal Skeleton, that, still
    Guiding its irresistible career
    In thy devastating omnipotence,
    Art king of this frail world! from the red field
    Of slaughter, from the reeking hospital,
    The patriot's sacred couch, the snowy bed
    Of innocence, the scaffold and the throne,
    A mighty voice invokes thee! Ruin calls
    His brother Death! A rare and regal prey
    He hath prepared, prowling around the world;
    Glutted with which thou mayst repose, and men
    Go to their graves like flowers or creeping worms,
    Nor ever more offer at thy dark shrine
    The unheeded tribute of a broken heart.

    When on the threshold of the green recess
    The wanderer's footsteps fell, he knew that death
    Was on him. Yet a little, ere it fled,
    Did he resign his high and holy soul
    To images of the majestic past,
    That paused within his passive being now,
    Like winds that bear sweet music, when they breathe
    Through some dim latticed chamber. He did place
    His pale lean hand upon the rugged trunk
    Of the old pine; upon an ivied stone
    Reclined his languid head; his limbs did rest,
    Diffused and motionless, on the smooth brink
    Of that obscurest chasm;--and thus he lay,
    Surrendering to their final impulses
    The hovering powers of life. Hope and Despair,
    The torturers, slept; no mortal pain or fear
    Marred his repose; the influxes of sense
    And his own being, unalloyed by pain,
    Yet feebler and more feeble, calmly fed
    The stream of thought, till he lay breathing there
    At peace, and faintly smiling. His last sight
    Was the great moon, which o'er the western line
    Of the wide world her mighty horn suspended,
    With whose dun beams inwoven darkness seemed
    To mingle. Now upon the jagged hills
    It rests; and still as the divided frame
    Of the vast meteor sunk, the Poet's blood,
    That ever beat in mystic sympathy
    With Nature's ebb and flow, grew feebler still;
    And when two lessening points of light alone
    Gleamed through the darkness, the alternate gasp
    Of his faint respiration scarce did stir
    The stagnate night:--till the minutest ray
    Was quenched, the pulse yet lingered in his heart.
    It paused--it fluttered. But when heaven remained
    Utterly black, the murky shades involved
    An image silent, cold, and motionless,
    As their own voiceless earth and vacant air.
    Even as a vapor fed with golden beams
    That ministered on sunlight, ere the west
    Eclipses it, was now that wondrous frame--
    No sense, no motion, no divinity--
    A fragile lute, on whose harmonious strings
    The breath of heaven did wander--a bright stream
    Once fed with many-voicèd waves--a dream
    Of youth, which night and time have quenched forever--
    Still, dark, and dry, and unremembered now.

    .....

    Oh, that the dream
    Of dark magician in his visioned cave,
    Raking the cinders of a crucible
    For life and power, even when his feeble hand
    Shakes in its last decay, were the true law
    Of this so lovely world! But thou art fled,
    Like some frail exhalation, which the dawn
    Robes in its golden beams,--ah! thou hast fled!
    The brave, the gentle and the beautiful,
    The child of grace and genius. Heartless things
    Are done and said i' the world, and many worms
    And beasts and men live on, and mighty Earth
    From sea and mountain, city and wilderness,
    In vesper low or joyous orison,
    Lifts still its solemn voice:--but thou art fled--
    Thou canst no longer know or love the shapes
    Of this phantasmal scene, who have to thee
    Been purest ministers, who are, alas!
    Now thou art not! Upon those pallid lips
    So sweet even in their silence, on those eyes
    That image sleep in death, upon that form
    Yet safe from the worm's outrage, let no tear
    Be shed--not even in thought. Nor, when those hues
    Are gone, and those divinest lineaments,
    Worn by the senseless wind, shall live alone
    In the frail pauses of this simple strain,
    Let not high verse, mourning the memory
    Of that which is no more, or painting's woe
    Or sculpture, speak in feeble imagery
    Their own cold powers. Art and eloquence,
    And all the shows o' the world, are frail and vain
    To weep a loss that turns their lights to shade.
    It is a woe "too deep for tears," when all
    Is reft at once, when some surpassing Spirit,
    Whose light adorned the world around it, leaves
    Those who remain behind, not sobs or groans,
    The passionate tumult of a clinging hope;
    But pale despair and cold tranquillity,
    Nature's vast frame, the web of human things,
    Birth and the grave, that are not as they were.
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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    My favorite philosopher, Diogenes, searching for an honest man...

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    'GEORGE BERNARD SHAW, most poisonous of all the poisonous haters of england; despiser, distorter and denier of the plain truths whereby men live; topsyturvey perverter of all human relationships; menace to ordered social thought and ordered social life; irresponsible braggart, blaring self-trumpeter; idol of opaque intellectuals and thwarted females; calculus of contrariwise; flippertygibbet pope of chaos; portent and epitome of this generation's moral and spiritual disorder.'

    HENRY ARTHUR JONES (1851-1929)

    WHATAGUY!!?
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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    George Bernard Shaw (1856-1950)

    Insults & Quotations:
    • "He's a man of great common sense and good taste - meaning thereby a man without originality or moral courage."
    • "When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty."
    • "It is dangerous to be sincere unless you are also stupid."

    Letter to his editor:

    A more horrible offense against Art than what you have put on the cover of the Essays, has never been perpetrated even in Newcastle. I reject your handbill with disdain, with rage, with contumelious epithets. Of the hellish ugliness of the block of letterpress headed "What the Press says", I cannot trust myself to write, lest I be betrayed into intemperance of language. Some time ago you mentioned something about changing the cover - This is to give you formal notice that if you do anything of the sort I will have your heart's blood.
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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    Jesus on swearing / cursing / blasphemy:

    Matthew 12

    “He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. And so I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. Anyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but anyone who speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come."
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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    << John 8 >>
    New International Version



    But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. At dawn he appeared again in the temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to teach them. The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group and said to Jesus, “Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. In the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?” They were using this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.

    But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, “If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her.” Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.

    At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there. Jesus straightened up and asked her, “Woman, where are they? Has no one condemned you?”

    “No one, sir,” she said.

    “Then neither do I condemn you,” Jesus declared. “Go now and leave your life of sin.”



    When Jesus spoke again to the people, he said, “I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life.”

    The Pharisees challenged him, “Here you are, appearing as your own witness; your testimony is not valid.”

    Jesus answered, “Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going. You judge by human standards; I pass judgement on no one. But if I do judge, my decisions are right, because I am not alone. I stand with the Father, who sent me. In your own Law it is written that the testimony of two men is valid. I am one who testifies for myself; my other witness is the Father, who sent me.”

    Then they asked him, “Where is your father?”

    “You do not know me or my Father,” Jesus replied. “If you knew me, you would know my Father also.” He spoke these words while teaching in the temple area near the place where the offerings were put. Yet no one seized him, because his time had not yet come.

    Once more Jesus said to them, “I am going away, and you will look for me, and you will die in your sin. Where I go, you cannot come.”

    This made the Jews ask, “Will he kill himself? Is that why he says, ‘Where I go, you cannot come’?”

    But he continued, “You are from below; I am from above. You are of this world; I am not of this world. I told you that you would die in your sins; if you do not believe that I am [the one I claim to be], you will indeed die in your sins.”

    “Who are you?” they asked.

    “Just what I have been claiming all along,” Jesus replied. “I have much to say in judgement of you. But he who sent me is reliable, and what I have heard from him I tell the world.”

    They did not understand that he was telling them about his Father. So Jesus said, “When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am [the one I claim to be] and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me. The one who sent me is with me; he has not left me alone, for I always do what pleases him.” Even as he spoke, many put their faith in him.

    The Children of Abraham

    To the Jews who had believed him, Jesus said, “If you hold to my teaching, you are really my disciples. Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”

    They answered him, “We are Abraham’s descendants and have never been slaves of anyone. How can you say that we shall be set free?”

    Jesus replied, “I tell you the truth, everyone who sins is a slave to sin. Now a slave has no permanent place in the family, but a son belongs to it forever. So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.I know you are Abraham’s descendants. Yet you are ready to kill me, because you have no room for my word. I am telling you what I have seen in the Father’s presence, and you do what you have heard from your father.”

    “Abraham is our father,” they answered.

    “If you were Abraham’s children,” said Jesus, “then you would do the things Abraham did. As it is, you are determined to kill me, a man who has told you the truth that I heard from God. Abraham did not do such things. You are doing the things your own father does.”

    “We are not illegitimate children,” they protested. “The only Father we have is God himself.”

    Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and now am here. I have not come on my own; but he sent me. Why is my language not clear to you? Because you are unable to hear what I say. You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies. Yet because I tell the truth, you do not believe me! Can any of you prove me guilty of sin? If I am telling the truth, why don’t you believe me? He who belongs to God hears what God says. The reason you do not hear is that you do not belong to God.”
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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
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    'till all beings have been carried across to nirvana, i will not become a buddha'

    in the SHOBO GENZO classic of zen master DOGEN it is said

    'to attain the buddha way means to attain self. to attain self means to forget self. to forget self means to realize the truth of everything. to realize the truth of everything means to drop off body and mind from ones self and the self of others.'
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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    FIVE ELEMENTS

    Metal melts like
    Water that nourishes
    Wood which burns as
    Fire to become
    Earth
    from whence comes
    Metal

    this is harmony

    Water extinguishes
    Fire which wilts the
    Metal that chops down
    Wood to leech the
    Earth that pollutes water

    this is destructive

    Constructively,
    Anger burns to Joy as the
    Earth perceives its Melancholy,
    Shedding to the sea its fear.
    And so, anger is undermined

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  • MikeackMikeack Posts: 562
    I like this thread.
    I find many good words written, not just rubbish.

    I have listened and read Alan Watts of recent times. He explains existence in western terms so we can understand it. He has read most Eastern philosophies but speaks in terms of our science based languages.
    Understanding much of your world can be done without speaking and writing verse or using dialectic.

    I wish you peace my friend
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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    Better-man wrote:
    I like this thread.
    I find many good words written, not just rubbish.


    I wish you peace my friend


    Thankyou my friend - every time I see someone new posting I get a fright, expecting the 'hostile' web-template that goes just like this:

    'What the fuck are you talking about? You are a fucking prick!!'

    (feel free to copy and paste this into somebody else's post! hehehe).

    Sorry to lower the tone; simply - thanks
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  • tremorstremors Posts: 8,051
    Better-man wrote:
    Understanding much of your world can be done without speaking and writing verse or using dialectic.

    Very true - something I need to learn better. In recent times tho I feel I have almost been able to 'write my way out of a corner' - sure I'll be able to write my way back in there tho!!! :shock:
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