A friend of mine always buys cheap DVD players. The ones that go from $39.99- 49.99 at Wal-Mart. Every year her DVD player craps out on her and she has to go buy another one. Over the last seven years she has bought seven DVD players (and her most current one is right on schedule to crap out, too). It's already freezing up and shutting off on it's own. So she'll be shopping for another one, shortly. Furthermore her DVD players always have a terrible picture and never look clear and sharp; from day one. Always kind of slightly distorted or fuzzy.
My first DVD player lasted eight years ($400.00) and the picture was always great, till the drive unit broke from the abuse it took from my kids. My current DVD player (going on it's fourth year of excellent service for me) an Integra DPS 10.5 is a high end model and cost a lot more ( Kids are forbidden from touching it). The picture is outstanding and works flawlessly. No doubt this player will be still cranking and working perfectly for another 10-15 years.
If you can't tell the difference you can't tell the difference and you will be wasting your money.
Some of us have other things to spend our money on like concert tickets
Oh that reminds me- have to go down to the Showbox to get tix for Matt's benefit concert in a couple weeks. Ticketmaster wants to add 100% of the cost of ticket for service charges.
You must be the change you want to see in the world
-Gandhi
How do these "DJ" turntables (if I can refer to them as such) compare to similarly priced "audiophile" turntables (pro-ject, rega etc...)?
In my opinion, the difference is more about features and design.
At those price points............
Rega & Pro-ject=Belt Driven
The DJ tables=Direct Drive.
The DJ tables have a ton of features ....for DJs, that the Rega & Pro-ject for home stereo systems do not.
They all have a little difference in sound (which can also be changed with different cartridges/tonearms and such).
But remember DJ tables are made to withstand a lot of heavy footfalls and floor shock/rumble.
While those made exclusively for home use are made to withstand your average floorshock/footfalls.
DJ tables may not deliver the finesse of the home tables, with the same delicacy.
Speaking for myself, I prefer the Techics and Numark for DJ tables. Don't like the Stantons.
The Regas are nice, but you have to be careful with system matching (the other components in your system; i.e. speakers, pre amps, amps); because in some systems they may come off bright sounding. But not usually.
If you don't need or want the features of a DJ, buy one of the Regas/Pro-ject.
If you want a turntable that can withstand the bouncing around...or dancing....or rough-housing of your friends or kids, while the music is playing on your turntable; get the Technics or Numark.
If you can't tell the difference you can't tell the difference and you will be wasting your money.
Some of us have other things to spend our money on like concert tickets
Oh that reminds me- have to go down to the Showbox to get tix for Matt's benefit concert in a couple weeks. Ticketmaster wants to add 100% of the cost of ticket for service charges.
Yeah I know I ordered my tickets will-call it came to $40 for 2 tickets. That's unreal. They were $12 each.. Oh well still cheap for the chance to see Matt up close.
As for record players. A lot of bands have begun to release there stuff on vinyl. Presonally, I'm 25. I have my parents old record player and buy as much of my music as I can on vinyl. Then if I want I'll just download the mp3s to add to the ipod. My personal opinion is that any big music fan should have a record player. CD's dissolve and break down, records do not. There if you want your collection to last longer than a decade or so, buy vinyl
If you can't tell the difference you can't tell the difference and you will be wasting your money.
That's also true.
Some people's hearing isn't sensitive enough to hear a difference.
Some people don't care to hear a difference, they just want it cheap. Not my way of doing things or my approach but to each his/her own.
I prefer to at least get equipment that compliments the format/medium, so I can hear/get the best out of that format/medium. Seems sensless to me to not provide the format/medium the vehicle (in this case a turntable) which conveys all the positive elements of the format/medium.
Otherwise, in my opinion, it's like buying a vacume cleaner that really doesn't suck too well. What's the point?
But remember DJ tables are made to withstand a lot of heavy footfalls and floor shock/rumble.
While those made exclusively for home use are made to withstand your average floorshock/footfalls.
Also keep in mind that if you play your music loud, it could cause vibrations that would knock the needle off track on a turntable not made to withstand some rumble.
Speaking for myself, I prefer the Techics and Numark for DJ tables. Don't like the Stantons.
I gotta agree with this. I have Technics, and a friend had some Numarks and both make great turntables. I played around with a Stanton once and it just seemed like a cheap turntable.
plugged into a TEAC H300 http://www.teac.co.uk/reference300_main.html#
if anybody could take a look at the amplifier specs and let me know where im going wrong
, it kind of does the job but ya do have to have the volume turned up a LOT more than if playing a cd. Is this normal or is it just cos my turntable is shit, or just cos i should have it plugged into a separate amp?
if anybody could take a look at the amplifier specs and let me know where im going wrong i would be most grateful
Also keep in mind that if you play your music loud, it could cause vibrations that would knock the needle off track on a turntable not made to withstand some rumble.
Yeah, there's a lot of contributing variables involved. That's why it's difficult to just suggest or tell anyone to "buy that one".
The great thing about the MK2 is that in it's stock form, it is a woderful turntable. But if you want to improve on it even more, you can call KAB and talk to them about the modifications they can do; that will elevate the MK2's performance to a new level. I know a few guys who have had the improvements/modifications and the results are amazing!! It brings the MK2 to a level that it competes hard with $2,000/2,500 dollar tables. Maybe some tables that are even more expensive than that. KAB does a killer, high-quality job with their mods. It's a less expensive way of upgrading your turntable (MK2) without spending $2,000. And you can pick and choose what mods you want. Get several at one time, or only one or two at a time, over the period of a year...two years...what ever you want.
plugged into a TEAC H300 http://www.teac.co.uk/reference300_main.html#
if anybody could take a look at the amplifier specs and let me know where im going wrong
, it kind of does the job but ya do have to have the volume turned up a LOT more than if playing a cd. Is this normal or is it just cos my turntable is shit, or just cos i should have it plugged into a separate amp?
if anybody could take a look at the amplifier specs and let me know where im going wrong i would be most grateful
any help greatly appreciated
Sounds like the turntable plugged into an AUX(illiary) input and not a PHONO input. Low volume is the result you get from doing this. If the unit does not have a PHONO input, then you need to have a separate amp. AUX =/= PHONO.
I wouldn't buy a turntable for one record. Frame it!
There is no such thing as leftover pizza. There is now pizza and later pizza. - anonymous The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
my Yamaha AV receiver doesn't have phono in so I need pre-amp.
it's about my budget (bought a really cheap one last year but it's really crap, no bass at all..and it's not just the lack of pre-amp).
don't have floor speakers either yet, only average AV system (again no money for that...well, for that AND touring ), so no point in high end.
..getting a bit deaf actually I think, so as long as I can get those warm bass I missed, I'm happy for my very little vinyl collection (I only got a CD player in late 91 ..but left my vinyls at my parents when travelling and those idiots moved whilst I was away and left them in a garage that got flooded!! :mad: covers are ruined and half of them won't play with paper stuck to them :(..think I left my Police, U2 ones with a cousin though..need to try to get them back ..if they haven't been thrown away..)
ROFL...just tried to give a spin to a disc right now.. picked it pretty randomly, Clash album, put the needle: 'Know your rights'!! just find it a funny coincidence..
oh dear...just found myself ordering Ten, Lost Dogs and S/T from a UK shop..
and also saw that The Who Live at the Royal Albert Hall is being released as 4 LPS next month..
damn, I knew that was a dangerous slope!!
my Yamaha AV receiver doesn't have phono in so I need pre-amp.
it's about my budget (bought a really cheap one last year but it's really crap, no bass at all..and it's not just the lack of pre-amp).
don't have floor speakers either yet, only average AV system (again no money for that...well, for that AND touring ), so no point in high end.
..getting a bit deaf actually I think, so as long as I can get those warm bass I missed, I'm happy for my very little vinyl collection (I only got a CD player in late 91 ..but left my vinyls at my parents when travelling and those idiots moved whilst I was away and left them in a garage that got flooded!! :mad: covers are ruined and half of them won't play with paper stuck to them :(..think I left my Police, U2 ones with a cousin though..need to try to get them back ..if they haven't been thrown away..)
ROFL...just tried to give a spin to a disc right now.. picked it pretty randomly, Clash album, put the needle: 'Know your rights'!! just find it a funny coincidence..
2006: Antwerp, Paris
2007: Copenhagen, Werchter
2009: Rotterdam, London
2010: MSG, Arras, Werchter
2012: Amsterdam, Prague, Berlin
2014: Amsterdam, Stockholm
Sounds like the turntable plugged into an AUX(illiary) input and not a PHONO input. Low volume is the result you get from doing this. If the unit does not have a PHONO input, then you need to have a separate amp. AUX =/= PHONO.
Hmmm, i will have to have a look round the back of it tonight and check what im plugged into although m pretty certain its plugged into the PHONO input. When i say it needs to be turned up a lot more i mean you have to have the volume on about double and a bit what ya would have it on playing a cd.
So if i DO have a phono connection and its plugged in correctly and still a lot quieter than a cd does that mean it would be better in a separate amp or is it just the way it is with turntables plugged into stereos? Thanks
Hmmm, i will have to have a look round the back of it tonight and check what im plugged into although m pretty certain its plugged into the PHONO input. When i say it needs to be turned up a lot more i mean you have to have the volume on about double and a bit what ya would have it on playing a cd.
So if i DO have a phono connection and its plugged in correctly and still a lot quieter than a cd does that mean it would be better in a separate amp or is it just the way it is with turntables plugged into stereos? Thanks
i have a turntable taht doesn't have a pre-amp and it's plugged in the phono.
I don't have to turn up the volume; i put on the same level as when I listen to a cd or whatever.
2006: Antwerp, Paris
2007: Copenhagen, Werchter
2009: Rotterdam, London
2010: MSG, Arras, Werchter
2012: Amsterdam, Prague, Berlin
2014: Amsterdam, Stockholm
I was also thinking about getting a USB player. Just a cheap turntable for another room really. But I was wondering, can most USB tables can be plugged into an amp/speakers, or just to the PC..?
Abraham Lincoln once said, "If you are a racist, I will attack you with the North."
I was also thinking about getting a USB player. Just a cheap turntable for another room really. But I was wondering, can most USB tables can be plugged into an amp/speakers, or just to the PC..?
i think they can be plugged on the amp and on the pc
2006: Antwerp, Paris
2007: Copenhagen, Werchter
2009: Rotterdam, London
2010: MSG, Arras, Werchter
2012: Amsterdam, Prague, Berlin
2014: Amsterdam, Stockholm
i have a turntable taht doesn't have a pre-amp and it's plugged in the phono.
I don't have to turn up the volume; i put on the same level as when I listen to a cd or whatever.
hmmm, perhaps its just me wanting to try and get the same level of sound as i do with a cd so i tend to turn it up, will have to check the connection later and see what the deal is i think.
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:rolleyes: please...
That's reality.
Believe what you want.
Let me give you an example.
A friend of mine always buys cheap DVD players. The ones that go from $39.99- 49.99 at Wal-Mart. Every year her DVD player craps out on her and she has to go buy another one. Over the last seven years she has bought seven DVD players (and her most current one is right on schedule to crap out, too). It's already freezing up and shutting off on it's own. So she'll be shopping for another one, shortly. Furthermore her DVD players always have a terrible picture and never look clear and sharp; from day one. Always kind of slightly distorted or fuzzy.
My first DVD player lasted eight years ($400.00) and the picture was always great, till the drive unit broke from the abuse it took from my kids. My current DVD player (going on it's fourth year of excellent service for me) an Integra DPS 10.5 is a high end model and cost a lot more ( Kids are forbidden from touching it). The picture is outstanding and works flawlessly. No doubt this player will be still cranking and working perfectly for another 10-15 years.
Some of us have other things to spend our money on like concert tickets
Oh that reminds me- have to go down to the Showbox to get tix for Matt's benefit concert in a couple weeks. Ticketmaster wants to add 100% of the cost of ticket for service charges.
-Gandhi
In my opinion, the difference is more about features and design.
At those price points............
Rega & Pro-ject=Belt Driven
The DJ tables=Direct Drive.
The DJ tables have a ton of features ....for DJs, that the Rega & Pro-ject for home stereo systems do not.
They all have a little difference in sound (which can also be changed with different cartridges/tonearms and such).
But remember DJ tables are made to withstand a lot of heavy footfalls and floor shock/rumble.
While those made exclusively for home use are made to withstand your average floorshock/footfalls.
DJ tables may not deliver the finesse of the home tables, with the same delicacy.
Speaking for myself, I prefer the Techics and Numark for DJ tables. Don't like the Stantons.
The Regas are nice, but you have to be careful with system matching (the other components in your system; i.e. speakers, pre amps, amps); because in some systems they may come off bright sounding. But not usually.
If you don't need or want the features of a DJ, buy one of the Regas/Pro-ject.
If you want a turntable that can withstand the bouncing around...or dancing....or rough-housing of your friends or kids, while the music is playing on your turntable; get the Technics or Numark.
Just my opinion.
Yeah I know I ordered my tickets will-call it came to $40 for 2 tickets. That's unreal. They were $12 each.. Oh well still cheap for the chance to see Matt up close.
As for record players. A lot of bands have begun to release there stuff on vinyl. Presonally, I'm 25. I have my parents old record player and buy as much of my music as I can on vinyl. Then if I want I'll just download the mp3s to add to the ipod. My personal opinion is that any big music fan should have a record player. CD's dissolve and break down, records do not. There if you want your collection to last longer than a decade or so, buy vinyl
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That's also true.
Some people's hearing isn't sensitive enough to hear a difference.
Some people don't care to hear a difference, they just want it cheap. Not my way of doing things or my approach but to each his/her own.
I prefer to at least get equipment that compliments the format/medium, so I can hear/get the best out of that format/medium. Seems sensless to me to not provide the format/medium the vehicle (in this case a turntable) which conveys all the positive elements of the format/medium.
Otherwise, in my opinion, it's like buying a vacume cleaner that really doesn't suck too well. What's the point?
Also keep in mind that if you play your music loud, it could cause vibrations that would knock the needle off track on a turntable not made to withstand some rumble.
I gotta agree with this. I have Technics, and a friend had some Numarks and both make great turntables. I played around with a Stanton once and it just seemed like a cheap turntable.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Acoustic-Solutions-DR130-Midi-Turntable/dp/B000VVMS44/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1200346687&sr=8-1
plugged into a TEAC H300 http://www.teac.co.uk/reference300_main.html#
if anybody could take a look at the amplifier specs and let me know where im going wrong
, it kind of does the job but ya do have to have the volume turned up a LOT more than if playing a cd. Is this normal or is it just cos my turntable is shit, or just cos i should have it plugged into a separate amp?
if anybody could take a look at the amplifier specs and let me know where im going wrong i would be most grateful
any help greatly appreciated
Yeah, there's a lot of contributing variables involved. That's why it's difficult to just suggest or tell anyone to "buy that one".
All that I once held as true
I stand alone without beliefs
The only truth I know is you.
Sounds like the turntable plugged into an AUX(illiary) input and not a PHONO input. Low volume is the result you get from doing this. If the unit does not have a PHONO input, then you need to have a separate amp. AUX =/= PHONO.
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
http://www.richersounds.com/showproduct.php?cda=showproduct&pid=AUDI-TECNICHA-PL50
my Yamaha AV receiver doesn't have phono in so I need pre-amp.
it's about my budget (bought a really cheap one last year but it's really crap, no bass at all..and it's not just the lack of pre-amp).
don't have floor speakers either yet, only average AV system (again no money for that...well, for that AND touring
..getting a bit deaf actually I think, so as long as I can get those warm bass I missed, I'm happy for my very little vinyl collection (I only got a CD player in late 91 ..but left my vinyls at my parents when travelling and those idiots moved whilst I was away and left them in a garage that got flooded!! :mad: covers are ruined and half of them won't play with paper stuck to them :(..think I left my Police, U2 ones with a cousin though..need to try to get them back
ROFL...just tried to give a spin to a disc right now.. picked it pretty randomly, Clash album, put the needle: 'Know your rights'!!
and also saw that The Who Live at the Royal Albert Hall is being released as 4 LPS next month..
damn, I knew that was a dangerous slope!!
http://www.son-video.com/Rayons/Hifi/PlatineTD/ProJectDebut3SB.html
2007: Copenhagen, Werchter
2009: Rotterdam, London
2010: MSG, Arras, Werchter
2012: Amsterdam, Prague, Berlin
2014: Amsterdam, Stockholm
I already have this set. Maybe the store is just expecting to have it in stock next month.
Hmmm, i will have to have a look round the back of it tonight and check what im plugged into although m pretty certain its plugged into the PHONO input. When i say it needs to be turned up a lot more i mean you have to have the volume on about double and a bit what ya would have it on playing a cd.
So if i DO have a phono connection and its plugged in correctly and still a lot quieter than a cd does that mean it would be better in a separate amp or is it just the way it is with turntables plugged into stereos? Thanks
I don't have to turn up the volume; i put on the same level as when I listen to a cd or whatever.
2007: Copenhagen, Werchter
2009: Rotterdam, London
2010: MSG, Arras, Werchter
2012: Amsterdam, Prague, Berlin
2014: Amsterdam, Stockholm
2007: Copenhagen, Werchter
2009: Rotterdam, London
2010: MSG, Arras, Werchter
2012: Amsterdam, Prague, Berlin
2014: Amsterdam, Stockholm
hmmm, perhaps its just me wanting to try and get the same level of sound as i do with a cd so i tend to turn it up, will have to check the connection later and see what the deal is i think.