The downside of resurrected rarities
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As a "collector" of hearing rarities played live like most of us diehards, the downside is when you have a true rarity that you think you may never see played again, and now they've pulled it back out and have put it in a somewhat regular rotation, it kind of ruins it for those of us who heard it before it was buried.
Example: Push me, Pull me. I was at the show in DC in 1998, which was the third time they played it, and the last since 1998 (up until Philly last year). now, they've played it twice on this tour. purely selfish, i realize, but it's not quite as much of a rarity now. it is an amazing song to hear live, even though I really didn't care for it until i heard it live.
Example: Push me, Pull me. I was at the show in DC in 1998, which was the third time they played it, and the last since 1998 (up until Philly last year). now, they've played it twice on this tour. purely selfish, i realize, but it's not quite as much of a rarity now. it is an amazing song to hear live, even though I really didn't care for it until i heard it live.
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i go see this band basically cause their main, rotating, tour play list, is so f'n awesome
and, the new songs(of course)
so i guess i don't like "collecting" rare songs. the song i really wanted to hear on this last tour was a song they have been playing in rotation, but i've never seen yet
the real me blew me away. better than fatal, for me. go figure :?
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based on my point, push me pull me is a perfect example. completely buried for over 11 yrs, only played 3 times, now that number has doubled in less than 8 months. it is awesome live, and i liked saying that I heard it the last time it was ever played. plus, even though it's only been played 6 times total now, it seems they've decided to put it back in rotation.
I was glad to see Alone in Columbus this month, I know they played it again, but it's not played that often and I enjoyed seeing it. Just be glad they play some what rare songs still, a lot of bands just don't do that, they play the same boring ass set every night. I was also very happy to hear No Way in Seattle last September.
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Oh wait, I saw the second performance too.
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I was there tonight and as good as that show was... you're right. Sweet Lew is a fuckin' train wreck. Not sure why anyone would want to hear it... aside from saying " I heard Sweet Lew live".
Horrible song..
I love "Push Me, Pull Me" though. Always have.
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are you guys really complaing that you got to hear too many rare songs live??
Not a big fan of sweet lew or push me, pull me (haven't seen either live).
I've only heard a few rare covers-Kick out the jams, wanna be a rock n roll star?
not much out of their own catalog- I would love to hear some of the rarities off of lost dogs like hold on, drifting,alone, fatal, hard to imagine.
And of course otherside(would be awesome to hear this the first time they played it, right?) If I was at this show, I wouldn't give a shit if they played it later. I would hope to be able to catch it again.
I want to hear these because I like them. I don't want to hear rarities that I don't care for.
Sometimes I wonder if people want to see the rarities out of principle. To be able to say " I've seen
live"
I understand it I guess, but PJ has underrated songs IMO that aren't played very much.
Example- I'd like to see Light Years (not played too often) before the rarities I don't like.
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yeah seriously-
i hope i hear all my favorite songs as many times as i go
(and i really couldn't care less what the total of that is)
Yup. Some of us haven't been listening to pearl jam since 92, and some of us can;t afford to go to every tour (I don't think americans realise how much effort it is to see PJ on a regular basis for those outside North america) therefore having our favourite songs in heavy rotation is a good thing. I honestly don't care how rare a song is played. To me it's rarity is defined by how many times I've seen it. Nothingman, Nothing as it Seems and Jeremy are far from being rarities but in the shows i've been to (an i've racked up a few in the 3 years i've been listening to pearl jam) I've never heard them and therefore they're rare to me and I will still go fucking ape shit when one of them hits at I show I'm at. Saying that, Sleight of Hand was special in Manchester last year, there's a song I never thought I'd hear live. I hope everyone else gets to at some point - because I'm not a selfish twat
Wow.
Get over it.
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Great point StoneAment. I've been fortunate enough to catch only 2 shows and I heard nothing man at Jazz Fest. I was ecstatic. I love that song. Haven't seen the other two. I would love to hear light years, dissident, or elderly woman. I know lots of people have heard elderly woman many times, but I haven't heard it once. Rare to me.
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Oh and rarities aren't rarities if they're played all the time.
+1....I hope they never play Brother again....................... :?
great song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-B-mH06Pcg
I like the odd rare song thrown in here and there, but I'll be gutted if they stop playing the live staples. The regular songs are what made Pearl Jam concerts so legendary in the first place. I consider myself a diehard fan. Pearl Jam are my favourite band of all time. I've seen them 11 times and I'll be seeing them in Belfast and Berlin. I pray that they play the likes of Small Town, Do The Evolution, Better Man, Black, Alive etc. They're epic moments in Pearl Jam shows where the crowd and the band are united and everything just feels right.
One or two rarities thrown in for good measure and I'm a happy camper. Look at Nijmegen 2007. Most people would say it was a boring/standard/regular/lame setlist. For me, I finally got to hear Nothingman and I got all my usual favourites that make shows great. It was one of the best shows I've ever seen.
Rarities are overrated. Being rare doesn't equal being good. Sweet Lew is a sack of crap. Brother is as generic a 'grunge' song as I've ever heard. I couldn't care less if the band never busted them out because they add little to a show in my opinion.
Given To Fly...now there's a song that should be played at every show.
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I think I know what you mean. It was a huge deal when they played finally Breath in 1998 but yet I heard it 4 times in 2003. Who You Are is sorta similar. It was rarely played going into 2008 but I saw it 4 times in a week that year.
They've been around for 20 years and eventually, nothing will truly be a "rarity". But hell, last night was my 22nd Pearl Jam concert and I saw them play three songs (Black Red Yellow, Hunger Strike, Kick Out The James) that I've never seen them play. And others (Sweet Lew, I'm Open, Push Me Pull Me) I've only seen because I was at the Philly shows where almost everything got played.
But remember that what's rare to one person might not be to another. I've never seen Oceans played live so that's a rarity to me. But I can't call something like Crown Of Thorns rare when I've seen it 4 or 5 times even though it's technically a "rarity" while Oceans is a well-known album track.
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Totally agree! I wish they would rehearse some of these songs a little more, I hate sloppy Pearl Jam.
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Who cares? So more people can get to hear it.
With resurrected rarities, you can collect the knowledge that you were the FIRST to see it resurrected. Like Leash in Boston '06. Big Wave in San Diego. Dirty Frank in the Gorge. etc. I saw Leash the SECOND show after it was resurrected. It was definitely amazing, but the people who got it the first night really had a special feeling I'd imagine.
I'll take that with Lukin II. It might become a staple. But I was there when they played it first so I take that as being special in its own rite.