More states to introduce anti-illegal immigration laws

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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,878
    unsung wrote:
    Sorry but you are in the minority. The majority of American citizens and legal immigrants are for these laws. Plus I'm also for states rights.
    source please??? and something objective, as in no fox news polls...

    the polls i have seen favor immigration reform, but NOT this bullshit that passed in arizona and NOT the proposed ammendment to deport the LEGAL babies of those born here to illegal mothers. they were born here so they are citizins...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • Boxes&Books
    Boxes&Books USA Posts: 2,672
    unsung wrote:
    Sorry but you are in the minority. The majority of American citizens and legal immigrants are for these laws. Plus I'm also for states rights.


    Unsung,
    I have a question for you, since you are the strongest advocate for deportation of all illegal immigrants.

    My father entered this country illegally and was deported back in the 70's, then reentered illegally again, just to clarify his reason for coming; He wanted to provide a better life for my mom and two sisters (left them back in Mex and worked the fields of CA). Anyways, since he came to the US illegally and recently became a citizen (abt 6 or so yrs ago- he is now 70) should he also be deported or his citizenship yanked? Considering he didn't obey the law and entered the country illegally. Reagan eventually got him a social security number, which enabled him to remain in the US-and continue to work legally.
    He has never asked the Government for anything, he has never broken the law except when crossing the border (not even a traffic ticket), never stolen anything, never received anything from the Government, still pays taxes, and always speaks of the USA as the number 1 country in the World.... He has been here over 40 years.... my sisters and my mother also came here illegally (sisters were babies)- they are all US citizens, if you think my father should be sent back, then I guess they should also go back....
    Should my brother and I be deported because technically we are anchor babies....?

    If you're going to represent the tea party's conservative belief's then I would expect you to elaborate on this.

    P.S
    I support the US securing its borders... I am not suggesting or encouraging people to come to this country illegally. But if they are starving to death and have no hope, then they have to do what they have to do.....
  • force-10
    force-10 Posts: 794
    People hate the idea of leaving homeland, family, etc. Corrupt policies and violence, among other factors, in our countries encourage people to do it. Corruption is the source of all that is wrong in latinamerica. USA is not guilty of this, the people that is. Do some research, if you haven´t already. Look for anything that relates latinamerica with the CIA.

    I hate to generalize, but the US does have part in all this mess, with people trying to get in illegaly.
    IN THE DARK, ALL CATS ARE BLACK.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    tonifig8 wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Sorry but you are in the minority. The majority of American citizens and legal immigrants are for these laws. Plus I'm also for states rights.


    Unsung,
    I have a question for you, since you are the strongest advocate for deportation of all illegal immigrants.

    My father entered this country illegally and was deported back in the 70's, then reentered illegally again, just to clarify his reason for coming; He wanted to provide a better life for my mom and two sisters (left them back in Mex and worked the fields of CA). Anyways, since he came to the US illegally and recently became a citizen (abt 6 or so yrs ago- he is now 70) should he also be deported or his citizenship yanked? Considering he didn't obey the law and entered the country illegally. Reagan eventually got him a social security number, which enabled him to remain in the US-and continue to work legally.
    He has never asked the Government for anything, he has never broken the law except when crossing the border (not even a traffic ticket), never stolen anything, never received anything from the Government, still pays taxes, and always speaks of the USA as the number 1 country in the World.... He has been here over 40 years.... my sisters and my mother also came here illegally (sisters were babies)- they are all US citizens, if you think my father should be sent back, then I guess they should also go back....
    Should my brother and I be deported because technically we are anchor babies....?

    If you're going to represent the tea party's conservative belief's then I would expect you to elaborate on this.

    P.S
    I support the US securing its borders... I am not suggesting or encouraging people to come to this country illegally. But if they are starving to death and have no hope, then they have to do what they have to do.....


    First of all I don't think a mass deportation is possible, and I do concede that there are people trying to work to feed their families. However, they broke the law so the ones that are still illegal need to be addressed. I am against amnesty.

    My thoughts on your case are that they are citizens. However past practices show that amnesty does not work because it encourages more to come thinking they will get the same result. We are supposed to be a nation of laws and rewarding those that break the law is bad policy.

    So there are things that need to be fixed to prevent more illegals from coming here and that includes; securing the border with the National Guard that is in Iraq, jailing employers that keep illegals on the payroll, and ending the anchor baby policy. What some fail to realize is that is an outdated policy, it was meant to make slave babies into citizens. We don't have slaves anymore, and the law is being abused.

    I'm for seasonal workers if they get the proper permits, but once that harvest is done they need to return home.
  • JR8805
    JR8805 Posts: 169
    My state hasn't formally done anything, but my city is now checking the immigration status of everyone who is arrested, no matter what ethnicity you look to be. I am not immediately against this, but can see where the slippery slope could possibly lead...increased arrests of people who appear to be Hispanic, because--let's face it--we're not looking to find and deport illegal Danes like we are illegal Hispanics. Although, I'm sure our net will catch a lot of fish of a rainbow of varieties, so to speak. I mean, if you're illegal and a white guy from England, out you go.

    The new law could be truly evil, where people who might appear to be Hispanic could find themselves harassed to such an extent, AZ law could look good. I don't know where I fall...from my experiences with working with the public I think it is highly likely I appear to be Hispanic to Anglos, and Anglo to Hispanics. Some people have all the luck, don't they? I am equally suspect to everyone.

    I think the law in the city came about because of a recent incident wherein a sex offender recently is alleged to have raped a young girl at a health club. He was an illegal immigrant, whose mother works here legally. He had had many run-ins with the law here, but since he was under 18, his records were not available. CYFD, the equivalent of CPS, was not required to report his immigration status. Now he is over 18 and committed another sex crime. I gather he also has some form of disability. People here became outraged over the crime, which they should. Of course, life-long Americans do these things, too. And there's nowhere to deport them to. I understand and agree with the sentiment that this guy should not be here; he should be sent back to Mexico, and Mexico should deal with him, pay for his services, prison time, etc. I'm not sure how that would work though. Since the law kicked in after his crime, he is not subject to it, although he may get deported anyway in the end. However, I don't think he has as yet been deported and will get due process here, is my guess.

    How does deporting a dangerous person work? So you deport someone, who let's say is a dangerous criminal upon arrest. When they get sent back to the motherland, whatever it is, will they be tried for their crime there? Do witnesses and victims travel to that country to try to get justice...at their own expense? Are you victimizing victims more? Do we try them here and spend our money on it, victimizing tax payers? What if you're illegal and you murdered someone? Would you just be deported and if the other country decided to let you go, you'd just go...and maybe come back here...and do it again? There's stuff with this that's unanswered to me and therefore very problematic. Just shifting a problem is kind of like a shell game. And there are costs that cannot be measured with money, such a human lives.

    There is a part of me that doesn't like the scenario that says you wait for a horrendous, out of the ordinary crime, and then you use it to kind of paint everyone in a category with a very broad brush. Be afraid, very afraid of the illegal Other...they're all just waiting to attack from within. When action depends upon tarring "those people," it seems like an excuse for what might be your somewhat xenophobic tendencies to begin with. I'm all for a coherent immigration policy--it is time for it, for sure--but I wish the trigger for it would be reasoned thought and policy instead of a knee-jerk to an impaired idiot who IS NOT just like all the other illegal Hispanics in the area.

    And for the Me Jerk part of this...how much would deporting illegal immigrants cost me as a tax payer? I'm assuming the US pays for the deportation, which means me. But, I don't know. Do you? I know if they stay, we pay for the courts, etc. However, when we catch someone who's clearly a danger, at least we can definitively do something about him or her.
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    edited May 2010
    ed243421 wrote:
    why would you watch or read fox news?

    why wouldn't you?[/quote]

    mike, i don't know you, but my guess is you're an idiot.[/quote]


    I choose to gather my information from numorous sources in order to make a balanced decision on a topic. Should I just watch rachel maddow, keith oberman, anderson cooper, wolf blitzer?

    you are kidding me right? just keep getting spoonfed the information with which you agree. That way none of your views will ever be challenged. Good idea.

    Don't let your hatred for republicans blind you to the information you choose to read and gather.

    and can you learn how to quote people? jesus. take five minutes and figure out how to do it right...
    Post edited by mikepegg44 on
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  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    he still stands wrote:
    why not watch Fox News? Cause I'm not a self-hating zombie who likes to turn his brain into puddy by watching fat-faced gaping blowholes spew propaganda, hate, and ignorance.


    hate and ignorance. . . . sounds a lot like what liberals do to conservatives daily. They choose to say things like "Rand Paul is a racist" instead of learning why he said he was against part of the civil rights legislation. It is just easier to call him a racist. Jesus christ. It is more important to search out and listen to ideas with which you disagree than to only listen to people who feel the same way.
    that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
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  • battan1120
    battan1120 Posts: 310
    The illegal immagrants will now be known as ......undocumented democrats
    The bus came by and I got on!!!!!
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,878
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    why not watch Fox News? Cause I'm not a self-hating zombie who likes to turn his brain into puddy by watching fat-faced gaping blowholes spew propaganda, hate, and ignorance.


    hate and ignorance. . . . sounds a lot like what liberals do to conservatives daily. They choose to say things like "Rand Paul is a racist" instead of learning why he said he was against part of the civil rights legislation. It is just easier to call him a racist. Jesus christ. It is more important to search out and listen to ideas with which you disagree than to only listen to people who feel the same way.
    hmmmm getting support from david duke's stormfront organization...i guess rand paul is NOT a racist then....
    :twisted: :roll:

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  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    OnTheEdge wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    This isn't a 4th Amendment topic. And if you read the link you would see the other states that are working on this.
    what is the topic about then? you are the only one that seems to be happy about this...it must suck to have so much hate for people that you do not know...


    For the record.....i'm not too upset about it.

    count me in also...but I don't hate anybody...

    Godfather.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    any non-whites support these "laws"?
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I thought we were all immigrents. :D

    Godfather.
  • CW95026
    CW95026 Posts: 3
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Sorry but you are in the minority. The majority of American citizens and legal immigrants are for these laws. Plus I'm also for states rights.
    source please??? and something objective, as in no fox news polls...

    the polls i have seen favor immigration reform, but NOT this bullshit that passed in arizona and NOT the proposed ammendment to deport the LEGAL babies of those born here to illegal mothers. they were born here so they are citizins...
    The Monday Rasmussen poll shows 55% of US voters would like a similar law to AZs passed in their state vs. 33% who are against.
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... heir_state
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    CW95026 wrote:
    gimmesometruth27 wrote:
    unsung wrote:
    Sorry but you are in the minority. The majority of American citizens and legal immigrants are for these laws. Plus I'm also for states rights.
    source please??? and something objective, as in no fox news polls...

    the polls i have seen favor immigration reform, but NOT this bullshit that passed in arizona and NOT the proposed ammendment to deport the LEGAL babies of those born here to illegal mothers. they were born here so they are citizins...
    The Monday Rasmussen poll shows 55% of US voters would like a similar law to AZs passed in their state vs. 33% who are against.
    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_ ... heir_state

    cool. :thumbup:

    Godfather.
  • mikepegg44
    mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    polaris_x wrote:
    any non-whites support these "laws"?

    Yes


    WSJ/NBC Poll: Hispanics Strongly Oppose Ariz. Immigration Law
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    By a two-to-one margin Hispanics are more strongly opposed than Americans overall to the recent immigration measure signed in to law in Arizona that would make it a state crime to reside there illegally.

    Seven in 10, 70%, of Hispanic respondents said they are somewhat or strongly opposed to the law, compared with 34% of all respondents in the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll set for release later today.

    Among Hispanics, 27% are somewhat or strongly supportive of Arizona’s law; that compares with 64% of respondents overall.
    Hispanics’ opposition to the law stems from a widely held concern that it will lead to discrimination towards Hispanics who are citizens, or who are residing in the U.S. legally. Fully 82% of Hispanics said they are concerned about profiling, compared with 66% overall.

    The Arizona law requires state and local law enforcement to question people and verify their immigration status if they suspect they are in the state illegally.

    Only 16% of Hispanics said the law was unlikely to lead to profiling, while 31% overall said it would not.
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  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    Yes


    WSJ/NBC Poll: Hispanics Strongly Oppose Ariz. Immigration Law
    .Article Comments (89) Washington Wire HOME PAGE ».EmailPrintPermalinkTwitter
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    close StumbleUponYahoo! BuzzMySpacedel.icio.usRedditLinkedInFarkViadeoOrkut Text By Susan Davis
    By a two-to-one margin Hispanics are more strongly opposed than Americans overall to the recent immigration measure signed in to law in Arizona that would make it a state crime to reside there illegally.

    Seven in 10, 70%, of Hispanic respondents said they are somewhat or strongly opposed to the law, compared with 34% of all respondents in the latest Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll set for release later today.

    Among Hispanics, 27% are somewhat or strongly supportive of Arizona’s law; that compares with 64% of respondents overall.
    Hispanics’ opposition to the law stems from a widely held concern that it will lead to discrimination towards Hispanics who are citizens, or who are residing in the U.S. legally. Fully 82% of Hispanics said they are concerned about profiling, compared with 66% overall.

    The Arizona law requires state and local law enforcement to question people and verify their immigration status if they suspect they are in the state illegally.

    Only 16% of Hispanics said the law was unlikely to lead to profiling, while 31% overall said it would not.

    sorry ... i meant here on this board ...

    in either case - i don't trust WSJ ... sorry - it's like fox news to me ... anything murdoch puts out is crap journalism ...
  • know1
    know1 Posts: 6,801
    I'm in the extreme minority with my view on immigration. But I just think we should make our immigration laws so that it is very easy to become "legal" and let people come here and work if they choose to.

    I think both the Republicans and Democrats are in the wrong on this issue. It's time to get over protectionism and nationalism and live as a global community of people.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    know1 wrote:
    I'm in the extreme minority with my view on immigration. But I just think we should make our immigration laws so that it is very easy to become "legal" and let people come here and work if they choose to.

    I think both the Republicans and Democrats are in the wrong on this issue. It's time to get over protectionism and nationalism and live as a global community of people.

    great idea but it will never happen, money and power will get in the way every time.

    Godfather.

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