how long should we give BP to stop the leaking oil?

Pepe Silvia
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edited May 2010 in A Moving Train
how long is too long? obama had said when it happened "The potential devastation to the Gulf Coast, its economy, and its people require us to continue our relentless efforts to stop the leak and contain the damage." but has this really happened?> it seems to me like we're just letting BP run most of the show and are just waiting for them to try and save the oil and not stop the leak. should there be a point when the government steps in and does something? should we allow BP to not allow anyone other than them near the leak or to measure the flow? it seems like so far all their attempts were ways to collect the oil, not stop the leak. they say that pipe is a success but for what, profits? oil is still leaking!
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  • jg1988
    jg1988 Posts: 181
    corruption. boycott BP.
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    edited May 2010
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    how long is too long? obama had said when it happened "The potential devastation to the Gulf Coast, its economy, and its people require us to continue our relentless efforts to stop the leak and contain the damage." but has this really happened?> it seems to me like we're just letting BP run most of the show and are just waiting for them to try and save the oil and not stop the leak. should there be a point when the government steps in and does something? should we allow BP to not allow anyone other than them near the leak or to measure the flow? it seems like so far all their attempts were ways to collect the oil, not stop the leak. they say that pipe is a success but for what, profits? oil is still leaking!

    I'm pretty sure if the government knew how the hell to stop it, they would have stepped in already.

    It's not like it's in BP's interest at all to keep letting oil pour out into the Gulf.
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  • jg1988
    jg1988 Posts: 181
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    how long is too long? obama had said when it happened "The potential devastation to the Gulf Coast, its economy, and its people require us to continue our relentless efforts to stop the leak and contain the damage." but has this really happened?> it seems to me like we're just letting BP run most of the show and are just waiting for them to try and save the oil and not stop the leak. should there be a point when the government steps in and does something? should we allow BP to not allow anyone other than them near the leak or to measure the flow? it seems like so far all their attempts were ways to collect the oil, not stop the leak. they say that pipe is a success but for what, profits? oil is still leaking!

    I'm pretty sure if the government knew how the hell to stop it, they would have stepped in already.

    would you say the same thing if BUSH was president?
  • blackredyellow
    blackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    jasongoz wrote:
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    how long is too long? obama had said when it happened "The potential devastation to the Gulf Coast, its economy, and its people require us to continue our relentless efforts to stop the leak and contain the damage." but has this really happened?> it seems to me like we're just letting BP run most of the show and are just waiting for them to try and save the oil and not stop the leak. should there be a point when the government steps in and does something? should we allow BP to not allow anyone other than them near the leak or to measure the flow? it seems like so far all their attempts were ways to collect the oil, not stop the leak. they say that pipe is a success but for what, profits? oil is still leaking!

    I'm pretty sure if the government knew how the hell to stop it, they would have stepped in already.

    would you say the same thing if BUSH was president?

    Yes, why wouldn't I?
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  • EvoLukin
    EvoLukin Posts: 188
    jasongoz wrote:
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    how long is too long? obama had said when it happened "The potential devastation to the Gulf Coast, its economy, and its people require us to continue our relentless efforts to stop the leak and contain the damage." but has this really happened?> it seems to me like we're just letting BP run most of the show and are just waiting for them to try and save the oil and not stop the leak. should there be a point when the government steps in and does something? should we allow BP to not allow anyone other than them near the leak or to measure the flow? it seems like so far all their attempts were ways to collect the oil, not stop the leak. they say that pipe is a success but for what, profits? oil is still leaking!

    I'm pretty sure if the government knew how the hell to stop it, they would have stepped in already.

    would you say the same thing if BUSH was president?
    I'm pretty damn sure that politics has nothing to do with stopping this oil spill. The only group that benefits from this disaster is the anti drilling groups. They have a pretty damn good case against it now.
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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,464
    i think the government needs to do something. if bp can't fix the shit bring in people from exxon and other oil companies that might have experience with these maters.to me it seems like its more about getting oil from the pipeline instead of stopping the flow. there is no profit in stopping the flow i guess...
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  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    blackredyellow wrote:
    Pepe Silvia wrote:
    how long is too long? obama had said when it happened "The potential devastation to the Gulf Coast, its economy, and its people require us to continue our relentless efforts to stop the leak and contain the damage." but has this really happened?> it seems to me like we're just letting BP run most of the show and are just waiting for them to try and save the oil and not stop the leak. should there be a point when the government steps in and does something? should we allow BP to not allow anyone other than them near the leak or to measure the flow? it seems like so far all their attempts were ways to collect the oil, not stop the leak. they say that pipe is a success but for what, profits? oil is still leaking!

    I'm pretty sure if the government knew how the hell to stop it, they would have stepped in already.

    It's not like it's in BP's interest at all to keep letting oil pour out into the Gulf.


    but what have they done to stop the oil? it seems to me all their efforts have cenetered around being able to collect it. it's not in their best interest to let us know what is really going on. they fought over releasing any images or letting anyone even see them saying it was proprietary information. then they released a photo then finally a video but say they stand by their estimate of how much is leaking (but still won't let anyone else near it to see) then conclude it by saying it's just an estimate anyway.

    i'm not for government taking over people's lives or controlling every aspect but i think in this case, being such a massive and ongoing spill, the government needs to step in and say sorry, you had your chance and bill BP for it.

    imagine if a BP gas station or some other business was on fire, could the owner keep the fire department from doing anything and give the owner weeks to try and contain the fire themselves?

    given their previous statements of the ocean is really big so this spill isn't that bad in comparison to that and in response to all the failed attempts to collect the oil saying they didn't see it as a problem, they saw it as a learning and reinventing technology. really?? it's not a problem it took weeks just to syphon a portion of the oil while it just spreads and spreads? i really think they don't care, i don't think they want to cap the well. it seems like the responsible thing to do would be to cap it but that junk shot was plan ZZ
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  • eyedclaar
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    Take every BP executive and stuff their beaten corpses into the hole.
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  • South of Seattle
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    jasongoz wrote:
    corruption. boycott BP.
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  • even flow - question mark
    even flow - question mark Posts: 1,568
    Oh it's still leaking?

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  • haffajappa
    haffajappa British Columbia Posts: 5,955
    if the government could they would isn't very rational thinking
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  • Stypo420
    Stypo420 Posts: 519
    Ok so BP said the know how to do this, BP said if anything does go wrong we can fix it. Yesterday or the day before that BP CEO said "we will clean every last drop of oil from the coast", I think all of that is BS they obviously don't know what to do. Everything they have tried to this point has been tried before and failed. Where is the innovation that only the private sector has? If the Government can fix this let’s get them in there but if all they can do is throw more shit at a wall hoping it sticks then I say we let the people who know how to drill stay in the lead. I think we should offer all the brain power we can and work with BP to stop this leak. In fact why isn't every oil company that drill working on a fix after all this could happen again tomorrow? Just my Opinion.

    A couple questions

    What can the government do that BP hasn't?

    Why can't we just bomb the main source of the leak and collapse the well?
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    we can send probes to mars, take a heart from one person and make it work in another, i can send someone in rwanda a message in seconds ... and we can't fucking stop the leak!??

    i don't have any proof - but my guess is that there is a SOLUTION to plugging the leak but it costs a shitload of money ... and the evil people otherwise known as oil executives don't want to sacrifice potential bonus money to stop it because at the end of the day ... polluting the ecosystem and environment is WHAT OIL COMPANIES DO ... they don't give a fuck about anything or anyone ... $$$ is all they see ...
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    polaris_x wrote:
    we can send probes to mars, take a heart from one person and make it work in another, i can send someone in rwanda a message in seconds ... and we can't fucking stop the leak!??

    i don't have any proof - but my guess is that there is a SOLUTION to plugging the leak but it costs a shitload of money ... and the evil people otherwise known as oil executives don't want to sacrifice potential bonus money to stop it because at the end of the day ... polluting the ecosystem and environment is WHAT OIL COMPANIES DO ... they don't give a fuck about anything or anyone ... $$$ is all they see ...
    BP's overall wealth has decreased $50 billion in the last month due to this environmental disaster. I agree with your assessment that it is $$$ that they see but I'm pretty sure they aren't pinching pennies in stopping this leak. It is costing them big-time.

    It's too bad that they didn't have emergency plans ready for a worst-case scenario. That is what they should be damned for.
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  • Stypo420
    Stypo420 Posts: 519
    Jason P wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    we can send probes to mars, take a heart from one person and make it work in another, i can send someone in rwanda a message in seconds ... and we can't fucking stop the leak!??

    i don't have any proof - but my guess is that there is a SOLUTION to plugging the leak but it costs a shitload of money ... and the evil people otherwise known as oil executives don't want to sacrifice potential bonus money to stop it because at the end of the day ... polluting the ecosystem and environment is WHAT OIL COMPANIES DO ... they don't give a fuck about anything or anyone ... $$$ is all they see ...
    BP's overall wealth has decreased $50 billion in the last month due to this environmental disaster. I agree with your assessment that it is $$$ that they see but I'm pretty sure they aren't pinching pennies in stopping this leak. It is costing them big-time.

    It's too bad that they didn't have emergency plans ready for a worst-case scenario. That is what they should be damned for.


    Your right there is a sure fire way to stop the leak it is called a relief well and it takes 3 months+ to drill. So you will have to dig deep and find the wherewithal to accept that a leak a mile below the surface of the ocean is a bit tricky to stop. I am saying that while being in complete agreement hat all they thick about is the $$$. This is a very difficult engineering problem. Hopefully they have success tomorrow.


    Jason they said they had those plans drawn up.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
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    Jason P wrote:
    polaris_x wrote:
    we can send probes to mars, take a heart from one person and make it work in another, i can send someone in rwanda a message in seconds ... and we can't fucking stop the leak!??

    i don't have any proof - but my guess is that there is a SOLUTION to plugging the leak but it costs a shitload of money ... and the evil people otherwise known as oil executives don't want to sacrifice potential bonus money to stop it because at the end of the day ... polluting the ecosystem and environment is WHAT OIL COMPANIES DO ... they don't give a fuck about anything or anyone ... $$$ is all they see ...
    BP's overall wealth has decreased $50 billion in the last month due to this environmental disaster. I agree with your assessment that it is $$$ that they see but I'm pretty sure they aren't pinching pennies in stopping this leak. It is costing them big-time.

    It's too bad that they didn't have emergency plans ready for a worst-case scenario. That is what they should be damned for.
    yes its pretty ridiculous to think that they could stop this if they wanted to but just dont feel like it. they are getting hammered by this right now.
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P wrote:
    BP's overall wealth has decreased $50 billion in the last month due to this environmental disaster. I agree with your assessment that it is $$$ that they see but I'm pretty sure they aren't pinching pennies in stopping this leak. It is costing them big-time.

    It's too bad that they didn't have emergency plans ready for a worst-case scenario. That is what they should be damned for.

    i would truly like to see the actual net cost to BP on this ... i refuse to believe there isn't a "money is no object" solution out there ... every decision these fuckers make is based on $$$ ... they don't care about the environment nor the people ... history has proven that time and time again ...
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    MrSmith wrote:
    yes its pretty ridiculous to think that they could stop this if they wanted to but just dont feel like it. they are getting hammered by this right now.

    dude ... the exxon valdez spill was the direct result of exxon breaking the law to save money ... it was cheaper for them to have an accident than to put the safety measures that were required by them by law ... not to say they purposefully had an accident - simply that it would have been prevented if they followed the safety regulations they were supposed to have taken ... but instead, they are only interested in $$$ ...

    these executives spend millions of dollars spreading lies about climate change all around the world ... they don't care about the environment ...
  • lukin2006
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    polaris_x wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    BP's overall wealth has decreased $50 billion in the last month due to this environmental disaster. I agree with your assessment that it is $$$ that they see but I'm pretty sure they aren't pinching pennies in stopping this leak. It is costing them big-time.

    It's too bad that they didn't have emergency plans ready for a worst-case scenario. That is what they should be damned for.

    i would truly like to see the actual net cost to BP on this ... i refuse to believe there isn't a "money is no object" solution out there ... every decision these fuckers make is based on $$$ ... they don't care about the environment nor the people ... history has proven that time and time again ...

    I am coming around and see your point and totally agree with you.
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  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    polaris_x wrote:
    MrSmith wrote:
    yes its pretty ridiculous to think that they could stop this if they wanted to but just dont feel like it. they are getting hammered by this right now.

    dude ... the exxon valdez spill was the direct result of exxon breaking the law to save money ... it was cheaper for them to have an accident than to put the safety measures that were required by them by law ... not to say they purposefully had an accident - simply that it would have been prevented if they followed the safety regulations they were supposed to have taken ... but instead, they are only interested in $$$ ...

    these executives spend millions of dollars spreading lies about climate change all around the world ... they don't care about the environment ...

    I wonder if the law was 30 days jail for every day the well was leaking to BP and the top executives, would this leak now be stopped????
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