how long should we give BP to stop the leaking oil?
Pepe Silvia
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how long is too long? obama had said when it happened "The potential devastation to the Gulf Coast, its economy, and its people require us to continue our relentless efforts to stop the leak and contain the damage." but has this really happened?> it seems to me like we're just letting BP run most of the show and are just waiting for them to try and save the oil and not stop the leak. should there be a point when the government steps in and does something? should we allow BP to not allow anyone other than them near the leak or to measure the flow? it seems like so far all their attempts were ways to collect the oil, not stop the leak. they say that pipe is a success but for what, profits? oil is still leaking!
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I'm pretty sure if the government knew how the hell to stop it, they would have stepped in already.
It's not like it's in BP's interest at all to keep letting oil pour out into the Gulf.
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but what have they done to stop the oil? it seems to me all their efforts have cenetered around being able to collect it. it's not in their best interest to let us know what is really going on. they fought over releasing any images or letting anyone even see them saying it was proprietary information. then they released a photo then finally a video but say they stand by their estimate of how much is leaking (but still won't let anyone else near it to see) then conclude it by saying it's just an estimate anyway.
i'm not for government taking over people's lives or controlling every aspect but i think in this case, being such a massive and ongoing spill, the government needs to step in and say sorry, you had your chance and bill BP for it.
imagine if a BP gas station or some other business was on fire, could the owner keep the fire department from doing anything and give the owner weeks to try and contain the fire themselves?
given their previous statements of the ocean is really big so this spill isn't that bad in comparison to that and in response to all the failed attempts to collect the oil saying they didn't see it as a problem, they saw it as a learning and reinventing technology. really?? it's not a problem it took weeks just to syphon a portion of the oil while it just spreads and spreads? i really think they don't care, i don't think they want to cap the well. it seems like the responsible thing to do would be to cap it but that junk shot was plan ZZ
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A couple questions
What can the government do that BP hasn't?
Why can't we just bomb the main source of the leak and collapse the well?
i don't have any proof - but my guess is that there is a SOLUTION to plugging the leak but it costs a shitload of money ... and the evil people otherwise known as oil executives don't want to sacrifice potential bonus money to stop it because at the end of the day ... polluting the ecosystem and environment is WHAT OIL COMPANIES DO ... they don't give a fuck about anything or anyone ... $$$ is all they see ...
It's too bad that they didn't have emergency plans ready for a worst-case scenario. That is what they should be damned for.
Your right there is a sure fire way to stop the leak it is called a relief well and it takes 3 months+ to drill. So you will have to dig deep and find the wherewithal to accept that a leak a mile below the surface of the ocean is a bit tricky to stop. I am saying that while being in complete agreement hat all they thick about is the $$$. This is a very difficult engineering problem. Hopefully they have success tomorrow.
Jason they said they had those plans drawn up.
i would truly like to see the actual net cost to BP on this ... i refuse to believe there isn't a "money is no object" solution out there ... every decision these fuckers make is based on $$$ ... they don't care about the environment nor the people ... history has proven that time and time again ...
dude ... the exxon valdez spill was the direct result of exxon breaking the law to save money ... it was cheaper for them to have an accident than to put the safety measures that were required by them by law ... not to say they purposefully had an accident - simply that it would have been prevented if they followed the safety regulations they were supposed to have taken ... but instead, they are only interested in $$$ ...
these executives spend millions of dollars spreading lies about climate change all around the world ... they don't care about the environment ...
I am coming around and see your point and totally agree with you.
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I wonder if the law was 30 days jail for every day the well was leaking to BP and the top executives, would this leak now be stopped????
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Alaska Oil Pipeline Shut After Power Outage
The Trans-Alaska Pipeline, owned by BP Plc (BP) and other oil majors, was shut down Tuesday, cutting most supply out of Alaska oilfields, after a power outage caused an oil spill.....
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you're missing my point ... it's not like i'm saying they WANTED this to happen ... what i'm trying to say is this: their primary focus has been in recuperating the oil that is being spilled (under the guise of a clean up) when in fact they should be spending all their energy plugging the leak ... they make choices about where to spend that money - and when time comes to make decisions - the environment will always be a non-issue ... it's all about oil recovery now ... sure, there is more press now about trying to plug the leak but how long has it been and why wasn't that the first priority to begin with?
the problem is that even the weak laws that currently do exist to regulate this industry are never enforced ... oil companies control the gov't as like in Canada ... how long has it been since valdez and the victims have still not seen a dime because exxon continues to fight it in court ... talk about evil - you ruin people's lives because of greed and now that they are making record profits - they still won't compensate them ...
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I heard somewhere, possibly here, that there are underwater globs that are ten miles long, three miles wide, and 300 feet tall. Now my math is probably fuzzy and very rough but that would be around 500 BILLION gallons of oil??? Each.
I agree. The situation is sickening.
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