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  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,906
    ddeschler said:
    I've played the 9th at Mt. Prospect several times, and didn't realize that's what they were going for.  I usually hit it right of the green, or short right, and have an easy chip and putt for birdie.  Which you absolutely can't do at Riv.  Great course though, love playing there.

    Yeah it's a great course.  They keep it in really good shape and the prices aren't too bad.  The greens are pretty crazy but I play there so much I'm used to it by now.  I live about 6 blocks from there so I'm always over there practicing or playing.
  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,906
    bootlegger10 said:
    Interesting that DeChambeau picked the PGA (for now).  Perhaps it this was all just part of Mickleson's master plan to put pressure on the PGA.  Mickleson's interview and comments about how bad the Saudi regime is but being willing to work with them to force change on the PGA tour is ridiculous.  He should just come out and say he wants more money and doesn't care where it comes from?  

    So far though, based on who has committed to the PGA, I can't think of any players worth watching on the Saudi tour.  

    Yeah I don't know why the hell Phil said that stuff on the record if he was actually trying to make that work.  It has really been a bizarre few months for him.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    edited February 2022
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RlMQI2O1jgM

    Rory being brutally honest.  Calls Phil out.

    Nobody is trashing Phil but wonder if they feel like finally they can say what they want.
    Post edited by bootlegger10 on
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    Rory is the best 
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    No Laying Up talking about just how many people Phil has pissed off

    Saudis
    PGA
    players who were going to stay
    players who were going to go
    Some fans
    Media
    sponsors

    Who else is there? They also got into detail about how based on the Handbook, this should result in a significant suspension or ban. I don’t see that happening, but it basically checks off every box they highlight on “conduct unbecoming” 

    Also, this book is apparently going to get into detail that he’s in a very bad financial situation and has had multiple people cover gambling losses.

    Oh and Billy Walters might be writing a book too? This could get really ugly for him

  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    Interesting.  It wouldn’t surprise me.  I imagine a gambling addict will continue to bet larger and larger amounts.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    edited February 2022
    If I am Phil I may not ever go back to Saudi Arabia.  Way to implode the league, Phil.  

    To be fair to Phil, the US government feels it is okay to sell weapons to the Saudis.  That is a little worse than a golf league.
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  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,906
    Cliffy6745 said:
    No Laying Up talking about just how many people Phil has pissed off

    Saudis
    PGA
    players who were going to stay
    players who were going to go
    Some fans
    Media
    sponsors

    Who else is there? They also got into detail about how based on the Handbook, this should result in a significant suspension or ban. I don’t see that happening, but it basically checks off every box they highlight on “conduct unbecoming” 

    Also, this book is apparently going to get into detail that he’s in a very bad financial situation and has had multiple people cover gambling losses.

    Oh and Billy Walters might be writing a book too? This could get really ugly for him

    Uhh yeah I think Phil's financial situation is pretty bad.  He had to sell his Gulfstream a couple years ago and from all accounts he is complete degenerate gambler.  He's always crying about taxes....maybe don't live in California where the state tax is something absurd like 13% for the highest earners.  Go live in Florida like everyone else on tour!  Can't wait to read this book....
  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,906
    Phil with a whole lot of words with this statement....



  • Indifference71
    Indifference71 Chicago Posts: 14,906
    And he already lost KPMG as his sponsor.  Prob the first of many to cut ties with him....
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Indifference71 said:
    And he already lost KPMG as his sponsor.  Prob the first of many to cut ties with him....
    Really? Ouch
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    I wonder if his PGA suspension has already started.  He mentions taking time away.  The PGA will never announce a suspension publicly.  
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    edited February 2022
    bootlegger10 said:
    I wonder if his PGA suspension has already started.  He mentions taking time away.  The PGA will never announce a suspension publicly.  
    thats what I was thinking. Time away equals suspension to me 

    hell of a statement. Can’t believe KPMG dropped him 
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    To hear that Phil is in bad financial shape is hard to comprehend.  He must be gambling a shit ton of dough on a daily basis and losing all the time to piss away his career earnings.  Look at other degenerate gamblers like Barkley (I’d include Jordan but he’s on a different wealth level).  If he didn’t go broke, how does Phil?  Crazy. 
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    bbiggs said:
    To hear that Phil is in bad financial shape is hard to comprehend.  He must be gambling a shit ton of dough on a daily basis and losing all the time to piss away his career earnings.  Look at other degenerate gamblers like Barkley (I’d include Jordan but he’s on a different wealth level).  If he didn’t go broke, how does Phil?  Crazy. 
    Cocaine is a helluva drug.

    I would still be surprised that he isn’t in great financial shape even with all of the gambling.  Crazy if he isn’t.  Sad for his family if that is the case.  A shame no one has stepped in (or successfully stepped in) to convince him to change his ways.

    He sure puts on a front though that he has everything together.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    bootlegger10 said:
    bbiggs said:
    To hear that Phil is in bad financial shape is hard to comprehend.  He must be gambling a shit ton of dough on a daily basis and losing all the time to piss away his career earnings.  Look at other degenerate gamblers like Barkley (I’d include Jordan but he’s on a different wealth level).  If he didn’t go broke, how does Phil?  Crazy. 
    Cocaine is a helluva drug.

    I would still be surprised that he isn’t in great financial shape even with all of the gambling.  Crazy if he isn’t.  Sad for his family if that is the case.  A shame no one has stepped in (or successfully stepped in) to convince him to change his ways.

    He sure puts on a front though that he has everything together.
    Right..bad financial shape is all relative. Boo hoo he had to sell his jet, but was listening to people say that that jet was his 4th kid and he never wanted to sell it. He's also building a massive place in Florida apparently, so again, all relative.
  • bbiggs
    bbiggs Posts: 6,964
    Definitely relative.  I didn't know that he was in any "financial strain," let alone to what level.  If he's building a mansion and simply had to unload the jet, I'd say he's doing just fine.  It would be really hard to piss away the fortune he's amassed by gambling, even for Eddie Mush.
  • ddeschler
    ddeschler Posts: 687
    Can't wait to read Shipnuck's book.  Maybe not just gambling debts, but also IRS and SEC?  Probably was hoping to settle all that for cents on the dollar, then rebuild with the Saudi money.  Wonder what plan B is.  Maybe he can get some appearance fees to play in Asia during his "leave of absence" from the PGA Tour.
    I've seen quite a few Pearl Jam shows.
  • Cliffy6745
    Cliffy6745 Posts: 34,022
    I don’t really understand the whole sponsor thing with Phil. The Asian/European tour are in bed with the Saudis and nothing, and what Phil said was pretty gross, but kinda ridiculous to support those tours who have actually taken money and cut Phil off who just said some pretty shitty things.

    I get the PGA tour side of things, not sponsors 
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,251
    Cliffy6745 said:
    I don’t really understand the whole sponsor thing with Phil. The Asian/European tour are in bed with the Saudis and nothing, and what Phil said was pretty gross, but kinda ridiculous to support those tours who have actually taken money and cut Phil off who just said some pretty shitty things.

    I get the PGA tour side of things, not sponsors 
    I can think of two possible reasons:

    1) Phil's character took a nose dive and sponsors don't want to pay someone that isn't liked.  

    2) Phil offended the Saudis too.  If you do business in Saudi Arabia then maybe you don't want to sponsor someone who is bashing Saudi Arabia.  Just a theory as have no clue if sponsors are doing business in SA.  

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