MSG DOESN'T ALWAYS = "EPIC"
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SURE, the shows have been great there (then again they all are) and the building itself is historic but there have been more interesting setlists, lots of "1st time played ', '1st time opener", etc at many other venues and shows. Why is it always assumed that MSG shows will be GOD? I've been to 4 of them but none of the 4 are the best show ever IMO. What do you think?
Look at Newark tonite which was going to "suck" because it's not MSG or BOSTON and sandwiched between the 2. Pretty good damn start for a non sold out preconceived clunker, eh?
Look at Newark tonite which was going to "suck" because it's not MSG or BOSTON and sandwiched between the 2. Pretty good damn start for a non sold out preconceived clunker, eh?
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i've never asked for first time songs/openers, etc. like you mentiond. just want a SOLID setlist with TONS of energy. and all but maybe one MSG (9/10/98 comes to mind) show has delivered.
i'm probably in the minority... but look at the 2003 MSG shows. i would take night # 2's setlist over night # 1's anyday.
and Newark is still becoming pretty IMPRESSIVE!
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One thing I would like to say is that one can never take anything for granted in this world. A friend asked me recently if I thought PJ would retire soon. (I'm sure as fans we've all had to answer the "What??? They're still touring/playing???" questions). My answer was that I didn't think so as they've seemed to really find a great shared friendship with one another. They seem to be in a place where they really enjoy being together and run their tours in such a controlled way that they welcome them in between their deserved periods of time off. I also mentioned their enormous erudite ways when it comes to the music world and their respectfulness for groups such as the Who, the Stones, the Dead etc. who have certainly taken their music into their older ages with grace and honor. But, as I said, I for one, take nothing for granted. It's the anyone at anytime can be "hit by a bus" theory that makes me for damn sure that I catch them in a venue such as MSG, as no one can guarantee that this won't be their last time ever there (knock on my thick dome).
On top of this, is the glaring fact that the fellas have nothing but a bunch of days off before a lovely summer holiday in Europe. We can all surely agree that this equals a greater emphasis on leaving no bullet left in the chamber when it comes to their final two US shows.
So, as for me, I happen to think that these 2 shows are going to be absolutely freakin wicked-hard awesome and I'm ready to get my nuts rocked off!
Peace to All Jammers!
yeah, but not to get into an arguement over weak crowds, but there def. sounds like there has been some duds of late (from fanviews in the forum). even the band's energy has gone up and down. so it seems other cities aren't a guarantee like NYC is. that's been proven 6 straight MSG shows.
'98 you had the breath campaign. epic.
'03 marathon night 1. curfew breaking. dvd. epic.
'08 ace frehley/black diamond. epic.
I have said this so much I feel blue in the face...the setlist is the most overrated piece of a show from the pearl jam fans perspective by an astronomically large margin. ASTRONOMICAL!!! People feel like if they didn't get 10 songs they haven't heard even on the internet in some rare form, that it is not a great show. Why can't pearl jam fans just enjoy the show anymore? There are setlists I see and feel envious because they look like a lot of fun, but I also recognize when the band does not do a phenomenal setlist, but devours the joint in an epic manner (a few of the Garden shows apply here).
I have seen them 17 times, and Even Flow still does it for me. If all that matters to you is the unique setlist full or rarities, it's time to hang it up for a while. You are not having as much fun as you used to when hearing Corduroy was a huge ordeal. Rant done.
MSG = epic always. ;-)
9/11/98 , 1st breath in years, just amazing show, the handing out breath signs for 3 days, ahhh the good ole days, when it was really sick
& 03 MSG1 - the DVD, that was truly amazing, breath again lol, Crown of thorns, just an awesome show , start to finish
the rest were good, always awesome, but i agree a tad overated
& i HATE the word EPIC by the way lol
Jeremy
This^^ 100x. Its about them PLAYING, more than which song they play. They're one of the best live bands in the world, and just to be there when they tear it up, whether its Even Flow or Blood, or Baba, or Ain't Talkin' Bout Love, or whatever, is just as awesome because of how they do it. That being said I think it would be cool if they included both Breath and Leash at MSG 2, to kind of bring it back full circle.
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Up until this past weekend I would have agreed with you. For the first time ever, I was seriously bummed out by the set list at Hartford. However, for me it wasn't an issue of rarities vs. hits. It was an issue of the show not having a certain energy. I felt like the set list at Hartford was just boring, like it just didn't work out the way eddie expected it to. It had something to do with Jeremy and Daughter, but not necessarily because they're hits, but because they just seem like some of their less exciting live songs. The same goes for Nothingman and low light (two of my least favorite songs, but really they just seemed to bring the vibe down Saturday night) and crazy mary. I honestly LOVE even flow at every show. Alive is always great. But the reason Boston was so much better than Hartford for me (I mean honestly, I left Hartford feeling like I blew $80, I left Boston feeling like I had a religious experience) was that the set list in Boston ROCKED. They just came out of the freaking gates and didn't stop. In My Tree is one of my favorite songs ever, so I would have been jumping out of my socks regardless of whether it was rare or not. I couldn't have cared less about Bee Girl, but stuff like State of Love and Trust and Rearviewmirror and Save You and Not For You and Got Some and The Fixer and Hail Hail and freaking Animal...none of which are particularly "rare" but that is the kind of set I want to hear PJ play live. And then stuff like Love Reign O're Me and Crown of Thorns...it doesn't matter whether they play them every night or every ten years, they NAIL them. That's what makes it a good set list. What I do like about the rarities is that it impresses me not only that they can still play them...but that they are thinking that much about how to put together a good show that they are willing to even think of them, pull them out, practice them, whatever, all for the sake of a good show.
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I'm in that same minority then. I was lucky enough to see both 03 shows and easily thought night 2 was a better setlist. Then again, epic to me is just a good setlist(preferably one song I've never heard before..old or new) with an amazing crowd that just makes you wanna go "Wow...I was part of that" when hearing the boot. And while sure, the Boston/Philly/NYC shows tend to be a bit longer with the occasional crazy rare song(such as Push me, Pull me last night), I just heard Leash and Wash in Cleveland. It happens in other places, too. What struck me about seeing shows in those cities were the crowds. Always sold out, always a high number of Ten Clubbers, and just amazing regardless of what's played. The band has always fed off that energy, and so that's why they tend to see more "epic" shows, in my opinion.
Well then I misspoke. How about most of the east coasters then? I'm one of them and I just don;t care about the garden anymore than any other venue.
lol
as annoying as +1? I used the word because I agree that it's annoying. Sorry you couldn't tell that. Now I'm off to bed after reviewing Newark... which is BY FAR BETTER THAN ANYTHING COMING LATER THIS WEEK!
and i need to say that imo night 2 in 03 was better than night 1.
also, 08 were not that good compared to other shows that tour. bonnaroo, both camdens and hartford were way better (being at all of them). people claiming they were "epic" because they played a kiss song with ace frehley, well thats just silly. the backup singers were cool in concept, but i don't remember really hearing them.
i don't have high expectations because after chicago and philly last year, i saw 6 great shows, and thats why i paced myself this tour and am only hitting the two msgs. don't get me wrong, they will be good shows, but i bet that newark or boston will be better and the debate will always rage on and msg will get fluffed because everyone wants to be at "the" show, and for whatever reason people expect that to be msg.
agreed, 98 msg was amazing, 03 night 1 for me, good, all personal pref, 08 for me Hartford was best show by far LOL & who would of thought it after 2 MSG's,. also after seeing em at IRVING PLAZA, nothing will beat that
2006: Camden 1&2, East Ruth 1&2
2008: BONNAROO, MSG1, MSG2, Hartford
2009: Philly 1, 2, 4
2010: Hartford, MSG1, MSG2
2012: Made in America
2013: BK1, BK2, Hartford
2015: Global Citizens
2016: MSG 2 (ISO MSG1)
EV Solo: NJPAC 2008; Tower Theatre, PA 2009; Hartford 2011
2003: Night 1 had a better encore, Night 2 had a better main set. Overall I'd pick Night 1. Kinda weird that they opened night 2 with Crazy Mary, since it was one of the last songs they played the night before.
it's so obvious.... the OP is not going and bitter....
Welp, it seems your logic is flawed because I'll be there for both nights. My seats will probably suck, but I'll be there.
hahaha, "jamily" is a close second
You won't be able to say that after next year! Looks like it's going to look really nice.