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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    I’ll never ever say this country is great again that definition has been trampled by the idiot in chief ...
    Usually it's dumb to speak in absolutes.  Almost always comes back to bite you in the ass.  

    It’s my opinion it won’t affect anyone...unless you consider me to be important in some weird way lol 
    Nope won't effect me at all.  I'm guilty of doing this from time to time as well.  But I don't think it really helps discussion to speak like that.  I certainly believe there are still great things about the USA.  As most countries have some great things.  And I'd still prefer to live here than anywhere else I've been to....up to this point.  Even though I'd kind prefer to be able to move around every 3 mos, spending 6 in the US and 6 elsewhere each year, that'd be cool.

    This is an indefensible action by this admin, no doubt about it.  But it doesn't take down a country as a whole....certainly knocks it down a few pegs....and we will need to see how we Americans fix this moving forward.
    What are the great things about the US?
    Really?  You can;t think of anything?
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    I’ll never ever say this country is great again that definition has been trampled by the idiot in chief ...
    Usually it's dumb to speak in absolutes.  Almost always comes back to bite you in the ass.  

    It’s my opinion it won’t affect anyone...unless you consider me to be important in some weird way lol 
    Nope won't effect me at all.  I'm guilty of doing this from time to time as well.  But I don't think it really helps discussion to speak like that.  I certainly believe there are still great things about the USA.  As most countries have some great things.  And I'd still prefer to live here than anywhere else I've been to....up to this point.  Even though I'd kind prefer to be able to move around every 3 mos, spending 6 in the US and 6 elsewhere each year, that'd be cool.

    This is an indefensible action by this admin, no doubt about it.  But it doesn't take down a country as a whole....certainly knocks it down a few pegs....and we will need to see how we Americans fix this moving forward.
    What are the great things about the US?
    Really?  You can;t think of anything?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,646
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    I’ll never ever say this country is great again that definition has been trampled by the idiot in chief ...
    Usually it's dumb to speak in absolutes.  Almost always comes back to bite you in the ass.  

    It’s my opinion it won’t affect anyone...unless you consider me to be important in some weird way lol 
    Nope won't effect me at all.  I'm guilty of doing this from time to time as well.  But I don't think it really helps discussion to speak like that.  I certainly believe there are still great things about the USA.  As most countries have some great things.  And I'd still prefer to live here than anywhere else I've been to....up to this point.  Even though I'd kind prefer to be able to move around every 3 mos, spending 6 in the US and 6 elsewhere each year, that'd be cool.

    This is an indefensible action by this admin, no doubt about it.  But it doesn't take down a country as a whole....certainly knocks it down a few pegs....and we will need to see how we Americans fix this moving forward.
    What are the great things about the US?
    Really?  You can;t think of anything?
    You made a statement and I’m asking you to back it up. Give me as many as you can.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    I’ll never ever say this country is great again that definition has been trampled by the idiot in chief ...
    Usually it's dumb to speak in absolutes.  Almost always comes back to bite you in the ass.  

    It’s my opinion it won’t affect anyone...unless you consider me to be important in some weird way lol 
    Nope won't effect me at all.  I'm guilty of doing this from time to time as well.  But I don't think it really helps discussion to speak like that.  I certainly believe there are still great things about the USA.  As most countries have some great things.  And I'd still prefer to live here than anywhere else I've been to....up to this point.  Even though I'd kind prefer to be able to move around every 3 mos, spending 6 in the US and 6 elsewhere each year, that'd be cool.

    This is an indefensible action by this admin, no doubt about it.  But it doesn't take down a country as a whole....certainly knocks it down a few pegs....and we will need to see how we Americans fix this moving forward.
    What are the great things about the US?
    Really?  You can;t think of anything?
    You made a statement and I’m asking you to back it up. Give me as many as you can.
    Yup, I said"  I certainly believe there are still great things about the USA.  As most countries have some great things."

    So some things that I like about the US:

    1) Freedom of speech
    2) National parks 
    3) Amazing geography with lots of diverstiy
    4) The diversity of the people
    5) Friendliness of the people as you walk around
    6) Wide open roads to drive
    7) The music from the USA
    8) The sports in USA
    9) The TV and movies from USA
    10) The universities provide terrific education and there are so many of them great in their own ways
    11) The housing space....not everything is super crowded
    12) 3 separate branches of government
    13) Free elections
    14) American craft beer

    I'm sure there is plenty more but that's off the top of my head.  I'm sure there is a list for most other countries as well.  
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    Of course there are good things about America, just like there are a lot of good things about every country, especially the fully developed ones. I don't think anyone would ever argue that. And yes, the American movie and TV industry rules the entertainment world (though not everyone would say that's a good thing - I'm personally fine with it, as I find it extremely convenient that it's pretty much all in English, lol).
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    PJ_Soul said:
    Of course there are good things about America, just like there are a lot of good things about every country, especially the fully developed ones. I don't think anyone would ever argue that. And yes, the American movie and TV industry rules the entertainment world (though not everyone would say that's a good thing - I'm personally fine with it, as I find it extremely convenient that it's pretty much all in English, lol).
    Ummmm...well I said exactly what you are saying now and people questioned me....so apparently people will argue that.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited August 2018
    cincybearcat said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Of course there are good things about America, just like there are a lot of good things about every country, especially the fully developed ones. I don't think anyone would ever argue that. And yes, the American movie and TV industry rules the entertainment world (though not everyone would say that's a good thing - I'm personally fine with it, as I find it extremely convenient that it's pretty much all in English, lol).
    Ummmm...well I said exactly what you are saying now and people questioned me....so apparently people will argue that.
    Okay, I'll be ready for that, lol. ;)
    I'm sure nobody intended to argue that there is literally nothing good about America though. Come on.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    I’ll never ever say this country is great again that definition has been trampled by the idiot in chief ...
    Usually it's dumb to speak in absolutes.  Almost always comes back to bite you in the ass.  

    It’s my opinion it won’t affect anyone...unless you consider me to be important in some weird way lol 
    Nope won't effect me at all.  I'm guilty of doing this from time to time as well.  But I don't think it really helps discussion to speak like that.  I certainly believe there are still great things about the USA.  As most countries have some great things.  And I'd still prefer to live here than anywhere else I've been to....up to this point.  Even though I'd kind prefer to be able to move around every 3 mos, spending 6 in the US and 6 elsewhere each year, that'd be cool.

    This is an indefensible action by this admin, no doubt about it.  But it doesn't take down a country as a whole....certainly knocks it down a few pegs....and we will need to see how we Americans fix this moving forward.
    What are the great things about the US?
    PJSoul.....ummmmm this guy.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited August 2018
    cincybearcat said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    cincybearcat said:
    josevolution said:
    I’ll never ever say this country is great again that definition has been trampled by the idiot in chief ...
    Usually it's dumb to speak in absolutes.  Almost always comes back to bite you in the ass.  

    It’s my opinion it won’t affect anyone...unless you consider me to be important in some weird way lol 
    Nope won't effect me at all.  I'm guilty of doing this from time to time as well.  But I don't think it really helps discussion to speak like that.  I certainly believe there are still great things about the USA.  As most countries have some great things.  And I'd still prefer to live here than anywhere else I've been to....up to this point.  Even though I'd kind prefer to be able to move around every 3 mos, spending 6 in the US and 6 elsewhere each year, that'd be cool.

    This is an indefensible action by this admin, no doubt about it.  But it doesn't take down a country as a whole....certainly knocks it down a few pegs....and we will need to see how we Americans fix this moving forward.
    What are the great things about the US?
    PJSoul.....ummmmm this guy.
    "That guy" didn't say anything besides asking you to say what the great things about the US are.... There is no statement there at all. If you took that to say Halifax things there is nothing good at all in America, then I'd say you're reading into things a bit to much. I don't believe Halifax meant to say that, anyway. Maybe that guy can let us know, haha. ;)
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,880
    seriously you all are a bunch of crazy SOBs.

    Poster #1 - i'll never say america is great again
    Me - I wouldn't say "never", some things still great about America
    Poster #2 - What's great about america
    ME - You cant think of anything
    Poster #2 - you said it, tell me
    Me - ok here's what's great
    POster #3 - no shit some things are great everywhere has some things great

    Jesus H Christ.

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    cincybearcat said:
    seriously you all are a bunch of crazy SOBs.

    Poster #1 - i'll never say america is great again
    Me - I wouldn't say "never", some things still great about America
    Poster #2 - What's great about america
    ME - You cant think of anything
    Poster #2 - you said it, tell me
    Me - ok here's what's great
    POster #3 - no shit some things are great everywhere has some things great

    Jesus H Christ.

    Dude, just because there are some good or great things in America it doesn't make America great overall. I think that's what your synopsis clarifies, and what was meant by others. Makes sense to me. I think you're kind of misinterpreting a little bit?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,646
    cincybearcat said:
    seriously you all are a bunch of crazy SOBs.

    Poster #1 - i'll never say america is great again
    Me - I wouldn't say "never", some things still great about America
    Poster #2 - What's great about america
    ME - You cant think of anything
    Poster #2 - you said it, tell me
    Me - ok here's what's great
    POster #3 - no shit some things are great everywhere has some things great

    Jesus H Christ.

    WTF? Its a forum for debate. Asking a question is part of the process. I didn't intimate whatsoever that "there's nothing great about America." I was interested in your list. And you through out the thought, the concept that America is great so I asked what made it great. Your first response was, "you can't name anything?" Jesus H Christ is right.
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  • josevolution
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    cincybearcat said:
    seriously you all are a bunch of crazy SOBs.

    Poster #1 - i'll never say america is great again
    Me - I wouldn't say "never", some things still great about America
    Poster #2 - What's great about america
    ME - You cant think of anything
    Poster #2 - you said it, tell me
    Me - ok here's what's great
    POster #3 - no shit some things are great everywhere has some things great

    Jesus H Christ.

    I have to agree yep i'm a crazy SOB lol but but if someone was to ask me i'm thinking about moving to America and asked my opinion i'd have to say it's not as great as it once was , surely you can see how it has changed in the last 10 yrs no ?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    edited August 2018
    josevolution said:
    cincybearcat said:
    seriously you all are a bunch of crazy SOBs.

    Poster #1 - i'll never say america is great again
    Me - I wouldn't say "never", some things still great about America
    Poster #2 - What's great about america
    ME - You cant think of anything
    Poster #2 - you said it, tell me
    Me - ok here's what's great
    POster #3 - no shit some things are great everywhere has some things great

    Jesus H Christ.

    I have to agree yep i'm a crazy SOB lol but but if someone was to ask me i'm thinking about moving to America and asked my opinion i'd have to say it's not as great as it once was , surely you can see how it has changed in the last 10 yrs no ?
    My answer would be that it's not great at all, and it never was great like a lot of Americans like to think and like the US government wants everyone to think, but it has a lot of great qualities despite all that. Unfortunately, some of the greatness that is present is now being quickly and severely eroded by the Trump administration.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    edited August 2018
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    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739

    cincybearcat said:
    seriously you all are a bunch of crazy SOBs.

    Poster #1 - i'll never say america is great again
    Me - I wouldn't say "never", some things still great about America
    Poster #2 - What's great about america
    ME - You cant think of anything
    Poster #2 - you said it, tell me
    Me - ok here's what's great
    POster #3 - no shit some things are great everywhere has some things great

    Jesus H Christ.

    You are correct ... many here will argue the sky isn't blue ... just too fucking argue.  Not the greatest forums anymore.
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,784
    PJ_Soul said:
    josevolution said:
    cincybearcat said:
    seriously you all are a bunch of crazy SOBs.

    Poster #1 - i'll never say america is great again
    Me - I wouldn't say "never", some things still great about America
    Poster #2 - What's great about america
    ME - You cant think of anything
    Poster #2 - you said it, tell me
    Me - ok here's what's great
    POster #3 - no shit some things are great everywhere has some things great

    Jesus H Christ.

    I have to agree yep i'm a crazy SOB lol but but if someone was to ask me i'm thinking about moving to America and asked my opinion i'd have to say it's not as great as it once was , surely you can see how it has changed in the last 10 yrs no ?
    My answer would be that it's not great at all, and it never was great like a lot of Americans like to think and like the US government wants everyone to think, but it has a lot of great qualities despite all that. Unfortunately, some of the greatness is present is now being quickly and severely eroded by the Trump administration.
    I like your answer better than mine ...
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,561
    What does "free elections" mean? 

    Never heard of a western democracy with as corrupt democratic process as the US. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    Meltdown99 said:

    cincybearcat said:
    seriously you all are a bunch of crazy SOBs.

    Poster #1 - i'll never say america is great again
    Me - I wouldn't say "never", some things still great about America
    Poster #2 - What's great about america
    ME - You cant think of anything
    Poster #2 - you said it, tell me
    Me - ok here's what's great
    POster #3 - no shit some things are great everywhere has some things great

    Jesus H Christ.

    You are correct ... many here will argue the sky isn't blue ... just too fucking argue.  Not the greatest forums anymore.
    Really? Who does that? I know I don't.
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,143
    edited August 2018
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    What does "free elections" mean? 

    Never heard of a western democracy with as corrupt democratic process as the US. 
    Free elections to me means: 18 and over, Citizen and No poll tax to vote. We as Americans have a voice in electing our representatives and We also get to vote on some budgets, fire chiefs,  referendums, etc. All that great stuff. We ve come along way as a country.  It’s also the only time a year when everyone is equal, one vote is one vote. 
    Where have you read that we have the most corrupt democratic process of all western democracies?  What makes you think that?  Of course there is corruption here but I don’t think we are the most corrupt western democracy. 
    Interesting article on corrupt nations (the us isn’t on the list)
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/these-are-the-18-most-corrupt-countries-in-the-developed-world-a7066391.html
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