14 years and counting...

RoleModelsinBlood31

oftenreading said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

unsung said:

Oh btw, now you all support private property rights!

Bake the cake! Serve the dinner!

Within limits.  First of all, no one owns land.  Land belongs to the earth.  The earth will reclaim its own in due time.  Secondly, those who do "own" land on paper have an obligation to treat it with respect.  Abuse your land base and you put yourself (either individually or as a species) at risk.  Abuse your land base, and the earth will reclaim its own all that much sooner.

This, of course, is a biocentric viewpoint.  An anthropocentric viewpoint will probably see it differently.  But as always, earth bats last.

The limits seem to be only what liberals feel should be the limits and they can change them to fit their agenda at any time. 

What in the holy fuck does basic environmental science have to do with anyone being a "liberal" and of what "agenda" do you speak? 

Oh well.  I'm glad you're here to keep us amused.

I was talking about the response about "bake the cake. Serve the dinner".
Let's be fair either you agree everyone gets served or you can pick and choose who you as the owner or manager want to serve. What's it gonna be?

Would there be a difference between not serving someone because they happen to homosexual, or not serve a group of nazis?

Yes, I think this restaurant was even worse.
Agree with the baker or not, they had a specific reason of religious beliefs. They were also willing to serve the gay community, just not a specific event that went against the belief. That being said, I think they should have just done it.
Sanders was refused service for no reason other than they just don’t like her based on her political views. To me that seems far more extreme, no real reason. What if this was an Obamacare staffer that was refused service because the owner didn’t agree with Obamacare? 
Do you really want to open up that window to discriminate against people you just done agree with?
Im surprised at everyone supporting this restaurant owner.

Utter nonsense.

The gay couple were being discriminated against because of something they were born with, similar to their gender or colour of their skin.

Sanders chooses to be a piece a shit.

What’s the gay chromosome called?

Unless this is a joke, this statement shows you have really no understanding of genetics and the state of the science related to heritability. 

So there’s a gene that makes someone gay now? Do explain.

HughFreakingDillon

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

unsung said:

Oh btw, now you all support private property rights!

Bake the cake! Serve the dinner!

Within limits.  First of all, no one owns land.  Land belongs to the earth.  The earth will reclaim its own in due time.  Secondly, those who do "own" land on paper have an obligation to treat it with respect.  Abuse your land base and you put yourself (either individually or as a species) at risk.  Abuse your land base, and the earth will reclaim its own all that much sooner.

This, of course, is a biocentric viewpoint.  An anthropocentric viewpoint will probably see it differently.  But as always, earth bats last.

The limits seem to be only what liberals feel should be the limits and they can change them to fit their agenda at any time. 

What in the holy fuck does basic environmental science have to do with anyone being a "liberal" and of what "agenda" do you speak? 

Oh well.  I'm glad you're here to keep us amused.

I was talking about the response about "bake the cake. Serve the dinner".
Let's be fair either you agree everyone gets served or you can pick and choose who you as the owner or manager want to serve. What's it gonna be?

Would there be a difference between not serving someone because they happen to homosexual, or not serve a group of nazis?

Yes, I think this restaurant was even worse.
Agree with the baker or not, they had a specific reason of religious beliefs. They were also willing to serve the gay community, just not a specific event that went against the belief. That being said, I think they should have just done it.
Sanders was refused service for no reason other than they just don’t like her based on her political views. To me that seems far more extreme, no real reason. What if this was an Obamacare staffer that was refused service because the owner didn’t agree with Obamacare? 
Do you really want to open up that window to discriminate against people you just done agree with?
Im surprised at everyone supporting this restaurant owner.

Utter nonsense.

The gay couple were being discriminated against because of something they were born with, similar to their gender or colour of their skin.

Sanders chooses to be a piece a shit.

What’s the gay chromosome called?

So you think that for the last thousand years, people just "chose" to be gay?  Were they intrigued by the thought of being ridiculed, isolated, persecuted, and murdered?  Perhaps they thought it was a good idea to have fewer benefits than the rest of society.  Odd that it's mentioned in the bible, Greek history and every culture since the beginning of time, but it's simply a bad choice.  

The comment referenced the comparison of being gay to one’s skin color or gender.  I’d love to hear about the science behind that, since there’s no genetic code that makes someone gay.  You say otherwise thoug?

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2155810-what-do-the-new-gay-genes-tell-us-about-sexual-orientation/

PJ_Soul

LongestRoad said:

Bentleyspop said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

LongestRoad said:

rgambs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

LongestRoad said:

tbergs said:

LongestRoad said:

Ah yeah.. So are you all happy that the president signed an order to keep families together while going through the process? Does Trump get kudos for that.

Happy? Not how I would describe it I guess. It's unfortunate no matter what, but non-separation is better. As for your second question, no. You don't get credit for an issue you created. Forgiveness could be a possibility if there was ever any indication a mistake was made, but we all know that's never going to happen.

How about you, happy? Do you think he deserves kudos?

You've spent most of your time the last few posts just poking at the hornet nest for fun. Maybe a serious response this time?

If you actually read what i've posted in the past you would've seen that I've already talked about my feelings towards the issues that are going on with immigration. this has been going on for years it didn't just start with this administration. It has been going on through all the administrations.  and like I said before they only let the immigrants into this country when they need them and that's a sad situation. I'm glad he made the change in policy. I do agree there has to be a vetting process to keep criminals, terrorists and traffickers from getting in. I hope that they're making sure all that are being detained are safe from any criminals that may be awaiting the process.
It seems when it's getting close to election time, the party in office suddenly starts to change their immigration policies to get the votes for their party like the past administration for example. That doesn't make them a great president or senator or congressman, it just makes them a politician just like all before them. It's wrong to use these people as your political stepping stone. It's election time and the politicians are coming out in force to investigate the issue and "help" that's why all this is being brought up. They were seperating children from parents in the past administration. Once politicians get elected it'll back to the same. 
Immigrants should be welcome in this country as long as they don't expect a free ride. Come here to work and spend your money here, not to get in and then collect benefits that aren't available to the people here. 

Please enumerate the benefits that immigrants get that aren’t available to the people here.

Free healthcare, free housing, free food, cash assistance. I know you already know this but choose to act unaware.

I missed this post earlier. You don't actually believe this do you?

Where did you learn this from?

Alex Jones
Breitbart
Focksnooze
Infomax
RT
Richard Spencer
Daily Stormer

Nope. It's by living in the real world not a bubble. 

That is absolute bullshit. If you lived in the real world you would understand the actual realities of the economics of immigrants. Immigrants contribute positively to the economy in the long run, not negatively. For whatever help they may get, depending on the situation (no, it's not how you just intimated - free everything, lol. If that's what you really think you're in la la land), they make up for it and then some in the long run. Immigration is an economic PLUS in North America, and absolutely key to economic growth. You'd know that if you stopped living in YOUR bubble.
Honestly, it seems like you've essentially stopped thinking of immigrants as actual people with lives. They've just become some kind of "other" to you, an other that doesn't have aspirations, who don't work and contribute in their own ways, who don't have futures or hopes or anything to do with society besides being leaches. Apparently they are not people who contribute to the economy in your mind, or to the work force, or anything. It's alarming that so many people think this way.

RoleModelsinBlood31

Bentleyspop said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

unsung said:

Oh btw, now you all support private property rights!

Bake the cake! Serve the dinner!

Within limits.  First of all, no one owns land.  Land belongs to the earth.  The earth will reclaim its own in due time.  Secondly, those who do "own" land on paper have an obligation to treat it with respect.  Abuse your land base and you put yourself (either individually or as a species) at risk.  Abuse your land base, and the earth will reclaim its own all that much sooner.

This, of course, is a biocentric viewpoint.  An anthropocentric viewpoint will probably see it differently.  But as always, earth bats last.

The limits seem to be only what liberals feel should be the limits and they can change them to fit their agenda at any time. 

What in the holy fuck does basic environmental science have to do with anyone being a "liberal" and of what "agenda" do you speak? 

Oh well.  I'm glad you're here to keep us amused.

I was talking about the response about "bake the cake. Serve the dinner".
Let's be fair either you agree everyone gets served or you can pick and choose who you as the owner or manager want to serve. What's it gonna be?

Would there be a difference between not serving someone because they happen to homosexual, or not serve a group of nazis?

Yes, I think this restaurant was even worse.
Agree with the baker or not, they had a specific reason of religious beliefs. They were also willing to serve the gay community, just not a specific event that went against the belief. That being said, I think they should have just done it.
Sanders was refused service for no reason other than they just don’t like her based on her political views. To me that seems far more extreme, no real reason. What if this was an Obamacare staffer that was refused service because the owner didn’t agree with Obamacare? 
Do you really want to open up that window to discriminate against people you just done agree with?
Im surprised at everyone supporting this restaurant owner.

Utter nonsense.

The gay couple were being discriminated against because of something they were born with, similar to their gender or colour of their skin.

Sanders chooses to be a piece a shit.

What’s the gay chromosome called?

If you take a close look at the DNA Helix you will see that the gay chromosome  is nowhere near the ignorance chromosome.

Lol you guys need to learn how to read.  I’m certainly not arguing being gay is a choice, I never said that.  I’m also not saying folks aren’t born gay.  The comment that being gay is like a person’s skin color or gender is false.  Both of those are chromosome/geneticly decided outcomes, gay/straight is not nor has there been anythibg discovered.  It’s all in the wording, but to compare skin color and gender to your sexual preference is outlandish.

Meltdown99

What is this thread about ... we went from immigration to someone looking for a gay chromosome to armies invading ... LMFAO

PJ_Soul

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Bentleyspop said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

unsung said:

Oh btw, now you all support private property rights!

Bake the cake! Serve the dinner!

Within limits.  First of all, no one owns land.  Land belongs to the earth.  The earth will reclaim its own in due time.  Secondly, those who do "own" land on paper have an obligation to treat it with respect.  Abuse your land base and you put yourself (either individually or as a species) at risk.  Abuse your land base, and the earth will reclaim its own all that much sooner.

This, of course, is a biocentric viewpoint.  An anthropocentric viewpoint will probably see it differently.  But as always, earth bats last.

The limits seem to be only what liberals feel should be the limits and they can change them to fit their agenda at any time. 

What in the holy fuck does basic environmental science have to do with anyone being a "liberal" and of what "agenda" do you speak? 

Oh well.  I'm glad you're here to keep us amused.

I was talking about the response about "bake the cake. Serve the dinner".
Let's be fair either you agree everyone gets served or you can pick and choose who you as the owner or manager want to serve. What's it gonna be?

Would there be a difference between not serving someone because they happen to homosexual, or not serve a group of nazis?

Yes, I think this restaurant was even worse.
Agree with the baker or not, they had a specific reason of religious beliefs. They were also willing to serve the gay community, just not a specific event that went against the belief. That being said, I think they should have just done it.
Sanders was refused service for no reason other than they just don’t like her based on her political views. To me that seems far more extreme, no real reason. What if this was an Obamacare staffer that was refused service because the owner didn’t agree with Obamacare? 
Do you really want to open up that window to discriminate against people you just done agree with?
Im surprised at everyone supporting this restaurant owner.

Utter nonsense.

The gay couple were being discriminated against because of something they were born with, similar to their gender or colour of their skin.

Sanders chooses to be a piece a shit.

What’s the gay chromosome called?

If you take a close look at the DNA Helix you will see that the gay chromosome  is nowhere near the ignorance chromosome.

Lol you guys need to learn how to read.  I’m certainly not arguing being gay is a choice, I never said that.  I’m also not saying folks aren’t born gay.  The comment that being gay is like a person’s skin color or gender is false.  Both of those are chromosome/geneticly decided outcomes, gay/straight is not nor has there been anythibg discovered.  It’s all in the wording, but to compare skin color and gender to your sexual preference is outlandish.

It's absolutely not in the context of discrimination. You're turning to stupid semantics to avoid the real conversation I think.
You seem to not know much about discrimination laws and who they apply to and why. Maybe you should read up on it more? Or maybe you're just playing dumb, I'm not sure.

RoleModelsinBlood31

PJ_Soul said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Bentleyspop said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

unsung said:

Oh btw, now you all support private property rights!

Bake the cake! Serve the dinner!

Within limits.  First of all, no one owns land.  Land belongs to the earth.  The earth will reclaim its own in due time.  Secondly, those who do "own" land on paper have an obligation to treat it with respect.  Abuse your land base and you put yourself (either individually or as a species) at risk.  Abuse your land base, and the earth will reclaim its own all that much sooner.

This, of course, is a biocentric viewpoint.  An anthropocentric viewpoint will probably see it differently.  But as always, earth bats last.

The limits seem to be only what liberals feel should be the limits and they can change them to fit their agenda at any time. 

What in the holy fuck does basic environmental science have to do with anyone being a "liberal" and of what "agenda" do you speak? 

Oh well.  I'm glad you're here to keep us amused.

I was talking about the response about "bake the cake. Serve the dinner".
Let's be fair either you agree everyone gets served or you can pick and choose who you as the owner or manager want to serve. What's it gonna be?

Would there be a difference between not serving someone because they happen to homosexual, or not serve a group of nazis?

Yes, I think this restaurant was even worse.
Agree with the baker or not, they had a specific reason of religious beliefs. They were also willing to serve the gay community, just not a specific event that went against the belief. That being said, I think they should have just done it.
Sanders was refused service for no reason other than they just don’t like her based on her political views. To me that seems far more extreme, no real reason. What if this was an Obamacare staffer that was refused service because the owner didn’t agree with Obamacare? 
Do you really want to open up that window to discriminate against people you just done agree with?
Im surprised at everyone supporting this restaurant owner.

Utter nonsense.

The gay couple were being discriminated against because of something they were born with, similar to their gender or colour of their skin.

Sanders chooses to be a piece a shit.

What’s the gay chromosome called?

If you take a close look at the DNA Helix you will see that the gay chromosome  is nowhere near the ignorance chromosome.

Lol you guys need to learn how to read.  I’m certainly not arguing being gay is a choice, I never said that.  I’m also not saying folks aren’t born gay.  The comment that being gay is like a person’s skin color or gender is false.  Both of those are chromosome/geneticly decided outcomes, gay/straight is not nor has there been anythibg discovered.  It’s all in the wording, but to compare skin color and gender to your sexual preference is outlandish.

It's absolutely not in the context of discrimination. You're turning to stupid semantics to avoid the real conversation I think.
You seem to not know much about discrimination laws and who they apply to and why. Maybe you should read up on it more? Or maybe you're just playing dumb, I'm not sure.

I never said a thing about discrimination laws, perhaps you meant to quote another user’s post?z

LongestRoad

PJ_Soul said:

LongestRoad said:

Bentleyspop said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

LongestRoad said:

rgambs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

LongestRoad said:

tbergs said:

LongestRoad said:

Ah yeah.. So are you all happy that the president signed an order to keep families together while going through the process? Does Trump get kudos for that.

Happy? Not how I would describe it I guess. It's unfortunate no matter what, but non-separation is better. As for your second question, no. You don't get credit for an issue you created. Forgiveness could be a possibility if there was ever any indication a mistake was made, but we all know that's never going to happen.

How about you, happy? Do you think he deserves kudos?

You've spent most of your time the last few posts just poking at the hornet nest for fun. Maybe a serious response this time?

If you actually read what i've posted in the past you would've seen that I've already talked about my feelings towards the issues that are going on with immigration. this has been going on for years it didn't just start with this administration. It has been going on through all the administrations.  and like I said before they only let the immigrants into this country when they need them and that's a sad situation. I'm glad he made the change in policy. I do agree there has to be a vetting process to keep criminals, terrorists and traffickers from getting in. I hope that they're making sure all that are being detained are safe from any criminals that may be awaiting the process.
It seems when it's getting close to election time, the party in office suddenly starts to change their immigration policies to get the votes for their party like the past administration for example. That doesn't make them a great president or senator or congressman, it just makes them a politician just like all before them. It's wrong to use these people as your political stepping stone. It's election time and the politicians are coming out in force to investigate the issue and "help" that's why all this is being brought up. They were seperating children from parents in the past administration. Once politicians get elected it'll back to the same. 
Immigrants should be welcome in this country as long as they don't expect a free ride. Come here to work and spend your money here, not to get in and then collect benefits that aren't available to the people here. 

Please enumerate the benefits that immigrants get that aren’t available to the people here.

Free healthcare, free housing, free food, cash assistance. I know you already know this but choose to act unaware.

I missed this post earlier. You don't actually believe this do you?

Where did you learn this from?

Alex Jones
Breitbart
Focksnooze
Infomax
RT
Richard Spencer
Daily Stormer

Nope. It's by living in the real world not a bubble. 

That is absolute bullshit. If you lived in the real world you would understand the actual realities of the economics of immigrants. Immigrants contribute positively to the economy in the long run, not negatively. For whatever help they may get, depending on the situation (no, it's not how you just intimated - free everything, lol. If that's what you really think you're in la la land), they make up for it and then some in the long run. Immigration is an economic PLUS in North America, and absolutely key to economic growth. You'd know that if you stopped living in YOUR bubble.
Honestly, it seems like you've essentially stopped thinking of immigrants as actual people with lives. They've just become some kind of "other" to you, an other that doesn't have aspirations, who don't work and contribute in their own ways, who don't have futures or hopes or anything to do with society besides being leaches. Apparently they are not people who contribute to the economy in your mind, or to the work force, or anything. It's alarming that so many people think this way.

My family were immigrants not so long ago. My great grand parents came here on my grandmother's side and my grandfather immigrated here. Your statements are ridiculous. 

HughFreakingDillon

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

PJ_Soul said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Bentleyspop said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

unsung said:

Oh btw, now you all support private property rights!

Bake the cake! Serve the dinner!

Within limits.  First of all, no one owns land.  Land belongs to the earth.  The earth will reclaim its own in due time.  Secondly, those who do "own" land on paper have an obligation to treat it with respect.  Abuse your land base and you put yourself (either individually or as a species) at risk.  Abuse your land base, and the earth will reclaim its own all that much sooner.

This, of course, is a biocentric viewpoint.  An anthropocentric viewpoint will probably see it differently.  But as always, earth bats last.

The limits seem to be only what liberals feel should be the limits and they can change them to fit their agenda at any time. 

What in the holy fuck does basic environmental science have to do with anyone being a "liberal" and of what "agenda" do you speak? 

Oh well.  I'm glad you're here to keep us amused.

I was talking about the response about "bake the cake. Serve the dinner".
Let's be fair either you agree everyone gets served or you can pick and choose who you as the owner or manager want to serve. What's it gonna be?

Would there be a difference between not serving someone because they happen to homosexual, or not serve a group of nazis?

Yes, I think this restaurant was even worse.
Agree with the baker or not, they had a specific reason of religious beliefs. They were also willing to serve the gay community, just not a specific event that went against the belief. That being said, I think they should have just done it.
Sanders was refused service for no reason other than they just don’t like her based on her political views. To me that seems far more extreme, no real reason. What if this was an Obamacare staffer that was refused service because the owner didn’t agree with Obamacare? 
Do you really want to open up that window to discriminate against people you just done agree with?
Im surprised at everyone supporting this restaurant owner.

Utter nonsense.

The gay couple were being discriminated against because of something they were born with, similar to their gender or colour of their skin.

Sanders chooses to be a piece a shit.

What’s the gay chromosome called?

If you take a close look at the DNA Helix you will see that the gay chromosome  is nowhere near the ignorance chromosome.

Lol you guys need to learn how to read.  I’m certainly not arguing being gay is a choice, I never said that.  I’m also not saying folks aren’t born gay.  The comment that being gay is like a person’s skin color or gender is false.  Both of those are chromosome/geneticly decided outcomes, gay/straight is not nor has there been anythibg discovered.  It’s all in the wording, but to compare skin color and gender to your sexual preference is outlandish.

It's absolutely not in the context of discrimination. You're turning to stupid semantics to avoid the real conversation I think.
You seem to not know much about discrimination laws and who they apply to and why. Maybe you should read up on it more? Or maybe you're just playing dumb, I'm not sure.

I never said a thing about discrimination laws, perhaps you meant to quote another user’s post?z

but that's what you were responding to, that "comparing skin color and gender to your sexual ORIENTATION is outlandish" in the context of discrimination and being refused service. 

Halifax2TheMax

I’m still waiting for the list of “free stuff” available to immigrants and not native born. And links to the actual programs. Carry on.

RoleModelsinBlood31

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

PJ_Soul said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Bentleyspop said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

unsung said:

Oh btw, now you all support private property rights!

Bake the cake! Serve the dinner!

Within limits.  First of all, no one owns land.  Land belongs to the earth.  The earth will reclaim its own in due time.  Secondly, those who do "own" land on paper have an obligation to treat it with respect.  Abuse your land base and you put yourself (either individually or as a species) at risk.  Abuse your land base, and the earth will reclaim its own all that much sooner.

This, of course, is a biocentric viewpoint.  An anthropocentric viewpoint will probably see it differently.  But as always, earth bats last.

The limits seem to be only what liberals feel should be the limits and they can change them to fit their agenda at any time. 

What in the holy fuck does basic environmental science have to do with anyone being a "liberal" and of what "agenda" do you speak? 

Oh well.  I'm glad you're here to keep us amused.

I was talking about the response about "bake the cake. Serve the dinner".
Let's be fair either you agree everyone gets served or you can pick and choose who you as the owner or manager want to serve. What's it gonna be?

Would there be a difference between not serving someone because they happen to homosexual, or not serve a group of nazis?

Yes, I think this restaurant was even worse.
Agree with the baker or not, they had a specific reason of religious beliefs. They were also willing to serve the gay community, just not a specific event that went against the belief. That being said, I think they should have just done it.
Sanders was refused service for no reason other than they just don’t like her based on her political views. To me that seems far more extreme, no real reason. What if this was an Obamacare staffer that was refused service because the owner didn’t agree with Obamacare? 
Do you really want to open up that window to discriminate against people you just done agree with?
Im surprised at everyone supporting this restaurant owner.

Utter nonsense.

The gay couple were being discriminated against because of something they were born with, similar to their gender or colour of their skin.

Sanders chooses to be a piece a shit.

What’s the gay chromosome called?

If you take a close look at the DNA Helix you will see that the gay chromosome  is nowhere near the ignorance chromosome.

Lol you guys need to learn how to read.  I’m certainly not arguing being gay is a choice, I never said that.  I’m also not saying folks aren’t born gay.  The comment that being gay is like a person’s skin color or gender is false.  Both of those are chromosome/geneticly decided outcomes, gay/straight is not nor has there been anythibg discovered.  It’s all in the wording, but to compare skin color and gender to your sexual preference is outlandish.

It's absolutely not in the context of discrimination. You're turning to stupid semantics to avoid the real conversation I think.
You seem to not know much about discrimination laws and who they apply to and why. Maybe you should read up on it more? Or maybe you're just playing dumb, I'm not sure.

I never said a thing about discrimination laws, perhaps you meant to quote another user’s post?z

but that's what you were responding to, that "comparing skin color and gender to your sexual ORIENTATION is outlandish" in the context of discrimination and being refused service. 

Oh I didn’t care what context it was in, its outlandish period.  I didn’t read any of the arguments, just saw that line and knew it was bs.

RoleModelsinBlood31

I don’t even know what is being debated in here currently.  The cake baker? Immigration? Gay rights? I haven’t been reading, like I said, I was skimming and saw someone try to say that gender and skin color was like a sexual preference and was like “wait, absolutely not. “

PJ_Soul

LongestRoad said:

PJ_Soul said:

LongestRoad said:

Bentleyspop said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

LongestRoad said:

rgambs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

LongestRoad said:

tbergs said:

LongestRoad said:

Ah yeah.. So are you all happy that the president signed an order to keep families together while going through the process? Does Trump get kudos for that.

Happy? Not how I would describe it I guess. It's unfortunate no matter what, but non-separation is better. As for your second question, no. You don't get credit for an issue you created. Forgiveness could be a possibility if there was ever any indication a mistake was made, but we all know that's never going to happen.

How about you, happy? Do you think he deserves kudos?

You've spent most of your time the last few posts just poking at the hornet nest for fun. Maybe a serious response this time?

If you actually read what i've posted in the past you would've seen that I've already talked about my feelings towards the issues that are going on with immigration. this has been going on for years it didn't just start with this administration. It has been going on through all the administrations.  and like I said before they only let the immigrants into this country when they need them and that's a sad situation. I'm glad he made the change in policy. I do agree there has to be a vetting process to keep criminals, terrorists and traffickers from getting in. I hope that they're making sure all that are being detained are safe from any criminals that may be awaiting the process.
It seems when it's getting close to election time, the party in office suddenly starts to change their immigration policies to get the votes for their party like the past administration for example. That doesn't make them a great president or senator or congressman, it just makes them a politician just like all before them. It's wrong to use these people as your political stepping stone. It's election time and the politicians are coming out in force to investigate the issue and "help" that's why all this is being brought up. They were seperating children from parents in the past administration. Once politicians get elected it'll back to the same. 
Immigrants should be welcome in this country as long as they don't expect a free ride. Come here to work and spend your money here, not to get in and then collect benefits that aren't available to the people here. 

Please enumerate the benefits that immigrants get that aren’t available to the people here.

Free healthcare, free housing, free food, cash assistance. I know you already know this but choose to act unaware.

I missed this post earlier. You don't actually believe this do you?

Where did you learn this from?

Alex Jones
Breitbart
Focksnooze
Infomax
RT
Richard Spencer
Daily Stormer

Nope. It's by living in the real world not a bubble. 

That is absolute bullshit. If you lived in the real world you would understand the actual realities of the economics of immigrants. Immigrants contribute positively to the economy in the long run, not negatively. For whatever help they may get, depending on the situation (no, it's not how you just intimated - free everything, lol. If that's what you really think you're in la la land), they make up for it and then some in the long run. Immigration is an economic PLUS in North America, and absolutely key to economic growth. You'd know that if you stopped living in YOUR bubble.
Honestly, it seems like you've essentially stopped thinking of immigrants as actual people with lives. They've just become some kind of "other" to you, an other that doesn't have aspirations, who don't work and contribute in their own ways, who don't have futures or hopes or anything to do with society besides being leaches. Apparently they are not people who contribute to the economy in your mind, or to the work force, or anything. It's alarming that so many people think this way.

My family were immigrants not so long ago. My great grand parents came here on my grandmother's side and my grandfather immigrated here. Your statements are ridiculous. 

Um, yeah, every white American's ancestors were immigrants. Do you seriously think this excludes them from being anti-immigrant now?? Because THAT would be ridiculous.
And what about my statements are ridiculous? Are you trying to claim that immigrants do not have a positive economic role in America, as you suggested with your little list of "benefits" (and all your other posts about it)?

Meltdown99

PJ_Soul said:

LongestRoad said:

Bentleyspop said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

LongestRoad said:

rgambs said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

LongestRoad said:

tbergs said:

LongestRoad said:

Ah yeah.. So are you all happy that the president signed an order to keep families together while going through the process? Does Trump get kudos for that.

Happy? Not how I would describe it I guess. It's unfortunate no matter what, but non-separation is better. As for your second question, no. You don't get credit for an issue you created. Forgiveness could be a possibility if there was ever any indication a mistake was made, but we all know that's never going to happen.

How about you, happy? Do you think he deserves kudos?

You've spent most of your time the last few posts just poking at the hornet nest for fun. Maybe a serious response this time?

If you actually read what i've posted in the past you would've seen that I've already talked about my feelings towards the issues that are going on with immigration. this has been going on for years it didn't just start with this administration. It has been going on through all the administrations.  and like I said before they only let the immigrants into this country when they need them and that's a sad situation. I'm glad he made the change in policy. I do agree there has to be a vetting process to keep criminals, terrorists and traffickers from getting in. I hope that they're making sure all that are being detained are safe from any criminals that may be awaiting the process.
It seems when it's getting close to election time, the party in office suddenly starts to change their immigration policies to get the votes for their party like the past administration for example. That doesn't make them a great president or senator or congressman, it just makes them a politician just like all before them. It's wrong to use these people as your political stepping stone. It's election time and the politicians are coming out in force to investigate the issue and "help" that's why all this is being brought up. They were seperating children from parents in the past administration. Once politicians get elected it'll back to the same. 
Immigrants should be welcome in this country as long as they don't expect a free ride. Come here to work and spend your money here, not to get in and then collect benefits that aren't available to the people here. 

Please enumerate the benefits that immigrants get that aren’t available to the people here.

Free healthcare, free housing, free food, cash assistance. I know you already know this but choose to act unaware.

I missed this post earlier. You don't actually believe this do you?

Where did you learn this from?

Alex Jones
Breitbart
Focksnooze
Infomax
RT
Richard Spencer
Daily Stormer

Nope. It's by living in the real world not a bubble. 

That is absolute bullshit. If you lived in the real world you would understand the actual realities of the economics of immigrants. Immigrants contribute positively to the economy in the long run, not negatively. For whatever help they may get, depending on the situation (no, it's not how you just intimated - free everything, lol. If that's what you really think you're in la la land), they make up for it and then some in the long run. Immigration is an economic PLUS in North America, and absolutely key to economic growth. You'd know that if you stopped living in YOUR bubble.
Honestly, it seems like you've essentially stopped thinking of immigrants as actual people with lives. They've just become some kind of "other" to you, an other that doesn't have aspirations, who don't work and contribute in their own ways, who don't have futures or hopes or anything to do with society besides being leaches. Apparently they are not people who contribute to the economy in your mind, or to the work force, or anything. It's alarming that so many people think this way.

European Immigrants went about to systematically destroy every thing great about NA ... As a descendent from immigrants the worst thing to ever happen to First Nations people, the wildlife and absolute Canada the beautiful country they stole from the First Nations people.  Whats worst yet, is why the fuck do First Nations people need to live under laws created by their European conquerers .... make no mistake we are living on STOLEN LAND with more than enough money and resources to make it right with our First Nations peoples.  And JT is full of shit in his empty promises ... cash will fixl a lot of whats wrong with our first nations people.

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

What is this thread about ... we went from immigration to someone looking for a gay chromosome to armies invading ... LMFAO

Really! 

So has anyone heard what they pan on doing to the scumbag murdering rapist drug dealing gang members with gay chromosomes?

unsung

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

unsung said:

Oh btw, now you all support private property rights!

Bake the cake! Serve the dinner!

unsung said:

Oh btw, now you all support private property rights!

Bake the cake! Serve the dinner!

I have admittedly gone back and forth on this. while I don't necessarily agree it's the same in terms of ethics, refusing service to someone based on personal politics is considered discrimination. unless huckabee did something specific to this restaurant owner, it could be given a pass, but it appears she only ejected her because of her political affiliation. 

that being said,i think SHS is a vile piece of garbage. but she still should have been allowed to have a meal. 

And now loonybin Maxine Waters has issued demands to step up the harassment.   Someone is going to get killed because of this.

I have to say, I didn't see the video, but I saw the quotes, and I was unnerved by it. I don't think harassment is the right way to go at ALL. It needs to be respectful and peaceful. otherwise you just create an even bigger monster in your adversary. 

Now I hope you can begin to understand my point.  I can't afford a private security guard like Michael Bloomberg and nobody is renting one for me like David Hogg.  I have to ensure my own safety.  When is the DNC going to condemn her comments or are they ok with this harassment?

HughFreakingDillon

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

PJ_Soul said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Bentleyspop said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

unsung said:

Oh btw, now you all support private property rights!

Bake the cake! Serve the dinner!

Within limits.  First of all, no one owns land.  Land belongs to the earth.  The earth will reclaim its own in due time.  Secondly, those who do "own" land on paper have an obligation to treat it with respect.  Abuse your land base and you put yourself (either individually or as a species) at risk.  Abuse your land base, and the earth will reclaim its own all that much sooner.

This, of course, is a biocentric viewpoint.  An anthropocentric viewpoint will probably see it differently.  But as always, earth bats last.

The limits seem to be only what liberals feel should be the limits and they can change them to fit their agenda at any time. 

What in the holy fuck does basic environmental science have to do with anyone being a "liberal" and of what "agenda" do you speak? 

Oh well.  I'm glad you're here to keep us amused.

I was talking about the response about "bake the cake. Serve the dinner".
Let's be fair either you agree everyone gets served or you can pick and choose who you as the owner or manager want to serve. What's it gonna be?

Would there be a difference between not serving someone because they happen to homosexual, or not serve a group of nazis?

Yes, I think this restaurant was even worse.
Agree with the baker or not, they had a specific reason of religious beliefs. They were also willing to serve the gay community, just not a specific event that went against the belief. That being said, I think they should have just done it.
Sanders was refused service for no reason other than they just don’t like her based on her political views. To me that seems far more extreme, no real reason. What if this was an Obamacare staffer that was refused service because the owner didn’t agree with Obamacare? 
Do you really want to open up that window to discriminate against people you just done agree with?
Im surprised at everyone supporting this restaurant owner.

Utter nonsense.

The gay couple were being discriminated against because of something they were born with, similar to their gender or colour of their skin.

Sanders chooses to be a piece a shit.

What’s the gay chromosome called?

If you take a close look at the DNA Helix you will see that the gay chromosome  is nowhere near the ignorance chromosome.

Lol you guys need to learn how to read.  I’m certainly not arguing being gay is a choice, I never said that.  I’m also not saying folks aren’t born gay.  The comment that being gay is like a person’s skin color or gender is false.  Both of those are chromosome/geneticly decided outcomes, gay/straight is not nor has there been anythibg discovered.  It’s all in the wording, but to compare skin color and gender to your sexual preference is outlandish.

It's absolutely not in the context of discrimination. You're turning to stupid semantics to avoid the real conversation I think.
You seem to not know much about discrimination laws and who they apply to and why. Maybe you should read up on it more? Or maybe you're just playing dumb, I'm not sure.

I never said a thing about discrimination laws, perhaps you meant to quote another user’s post?z

but that's what you were responding to, that "comparing skin color and gender to your sexual ORIENTATION is outlandish" in the context of discrimination and being refused service. 

Oh I didn’t care what context it was in, its outlandish period.  I didn’t read any of the arguments, just saw that line and knew it was bs.

context matters. 

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

PJ_Soul said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Bentleyspop said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

dignin said:

mace1229 said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

unsung said:

Oh btw, now you all support private property rights!

Bake the cake! Serve the dinner!

Within limits.  First of all, no one owns land.  Land belongs to the earth.  The earth will reclaim its own in due time.  Secondly, those who do "own" land on paper have an obligation to treat it with respect.  Abuse your land base and you put yourself (either individually or as a species) at risk.  Abuse your land base, and the earth will reclaim its own all that much sooner.

This, of course, is a biocentric viewpoint.  An anthropocentric viewpoint will probably see it differently.  But as always, earth bats last.

The limits seem to be only what liberals feel should be the limits and they can change them to fit their agenda at any time. 

What in the holy fuck does basic environmental science have to do with anyone being a "liberal" and of what "agenda" do you speak? 

Oh well.  I'm glad you're here to keep us amused.

I was talking about the response about "bake the cake. Serve the dinner".
Let's be fair either you agree everyone gets served or you can pick and choose who you as the owner or manager want to serve. What's it gonna be?

Would there be a difference between not serving someone because they happen to homosexual, or not serve a group of nazis?

Yes, I think this restaurant was even worse.
Agree with the baker or not, they had a specific reason of religious beliefs. They were also willing to serve the gay community, just not a specific event that went against the belief. That being said, I think they should have just done it.
Sanders was refused service for no reason other than they just don’t like her based on her political views. To me that seems far more extreme, no real reason. What if this was an Obamacare staffer that was refused service because the owner didn’t agree with Obamacare? 
Do you really want to open up that window to discriminate against people you just done agree with?
Im surprised at everyone supporting this restaurant owner.

Utter nonsense.

The gay couple were being discriminated against because of something they were born with, similar to their gender or colour of their skin.

Sanders chooses to be a piece a shit.

What’s the gay chromosome called?

If you take a close look at the DNA Helix you will see that the gay chromosome  is nowhere near the ignorance chromosome.

Lol you guys need to learn how to read.  I’m certainly not arguing being gay is a choice, I never said that.  I’m also not saying folks aren’t born gay.  The comment that being gay is like a person’s skin color or gender is false.  Both of those are chromosome/geneticly decided outcomes, gay/straight is not nor has there been anythibg discovered.  It’s all in the wording, but to compare skin color and gender to your sexual preference is outlandish.

It's absolutely not in the context of discrimination. You're turning to stupid semantics to avoid the real conversation I think.
You seem to not know much about discrimination laws and who they apply to and why. Maybe you should read up on it more? Or maybe you're just playing dumb, I'm not sure.

I never said a thing about discrimination laws, perhaps you meant to quote another user’s post?z

but that's what you were responding to, that "comparing skin color and gender to your sexual ORIENTATION is outlandish" in the context of discrimination and being refused service. 

Oh I didn’t care what context it was in, its outlandish period.  I didn’t read any of the arguments, just saw that line and knew it was bs.

context matters. 

More than anything.

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

Meltdown99 said:

What is this thread about ... we went from immigration to someone looking for a gay chromosome to armies invading ... LMFAO

Really! 

So has anyone heard what they pan on doing to the scumbag murdering rapist drug dealing gang members with gay chromosomes?

Coming in a late day Tweet for the POTUS ... followed by a executive order being signed.

unsung

Ledbetterman10 said:

unsung said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

LongestRoad said:

brianlux said:

unsung said:

Oh btw, now you all support private property rights!

Bake the cake! Serve the dinner!

Within limits.  First of all, no one owns land.  Land belongs to the earth.  The earth will reclaim its own in due time.  Secondly, those who do "own" land on paper have an obligation to treat it with respect.  Abuse your land base and you put yourself (either individually or as a species) at risk.  Abuse your land base, and the earth will reclaim its own all that much sooner.

This, of course, is a biocentric viewpoint.  An anthropocentric viewpoint will probably see it differently.  But as always, earth bats last.

The limits seem to be only what liberals feel should be the limits and they can change them to fit their agenda at any time. 

What in the holy fuck does basic environmental science have to do with anyone being a "liberal" and of what "agenda" do you speak? 

Oh well.  I'm glad you're here to keep us amused.

I was talking about the response about "bake the cake. Serve the dinner".
Let's be fair either you agree everyone gets served or you can pick and choose who you as the owner or manager want to serve. What's it gonna be?

Would there be a difference between not serving someone because they happen to homosexual, or not serve a group of nazis?

Not if you believe in private property rights.

This is, of course, the famous argument that kind of blew up in the Republicans' faces in the 1964 election and caused the most major "migration" of minorities from the Republican party to the Democratic party. But even if it cost them that election, it definitely paved the way for the current Republican stance of "What I own, I OWN AND CAN DO WHATEVER I WANT WITH IT."

A brief summary for those that don't know: Barry Goldwater, the 1964 Republican nominee, was against the Civil Rights Act. Not because he was necessarily against black rights or equality (though he probably was), but he argued if you OWN something (a diner, a store, etc), you should be able to do whatever you want with it; including turning away people you didn't want to serve. Minorities of course saw this as "Well that's easy for you to say, nobody's going to turn away some old white guy" and have been voting democrat ever since.

The beauty of a free market.  Actions come with consequences. 

Just like crossing into another country without permission.