14 years and counting...

Merkin Baller

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

FiveBelow said:

Merkin Baller said:

The people who have been telling you the border is the most important issue facing America (but not so important that it can’t wait until 2025) have other things they want you to believe as well. 

Reminds me of when the news broke right here on AMT of Israel declaring war against Islam, because a mosque that was housing an underground terror organization took collateral damage. 

Seems the majority of Americans (most importantly the ones tasked with protecting it) feel the border is one of the most important issues. I certainly don’t need twitter and the confirmation bias hounds who congregate there to draw that conclusion. I wonder why the one person who has the power to actually do something about it hasn’t? Funny how what should be a totally unrelated post to the topic comes full circle with a single question. We should all be so proud. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-situation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-its-causes-and-consequences/

There's more than one person with the power to do something about it, but I digress. 

So it is both sides!  I knew it!!!

There's one party beating us over the head about the border being a problem and that's the same party who refuses to bring the bipartisan bill to the floor. 

If it can wait 9 - 12 months to address, it can't be that major of a problem. 

FiveBelow

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

FiveBelow said:

Merkin Baller said:

The people who have been telling you the border is the most important issue facing America (but not so important that it can’t wait until 2025) have other things they want you to believe as well. 

Reminds me of when the news broke right here on AMT of Israel declaring war against Islam, because a mosque that was housing an underground terror organization took collateral damage. 

Seems the majority of Americans (most importantly the ones tasked with protecting it) feel the border is one of the most important issues. I certainly don’t need twitter and the confirmation bias hounds who congregate there to draw that conclusion. I wonder why the one person who has the power to actually do something about it hasn’t? Funny how what should be a totally unrelated post to the topic comes full circle with a single question. We should all be so proud. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-situation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-its-causes-and-consequences/

There's more than one person with the power to do something about it, but I digress. 

So it is both sides!  I knew it!!!

There's one party beating us over the head about the border being a problem and that's the same party who refuses to bring the bipartisan bill to the floor. 

If it can wait 9 - 12 months to address, it can't be that major of a problem. 

But what do the people who these idiots are supposed to be serving have to say about the issue? It's almost like they don't care what the people want, they just want the power...shocker. Basing your opinions on politician lip service and ignoring the warnings from those responsible for this nations security probably isn't the wisest decision.

Merkin Baller

FiveBelow said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

FiveBelow said:

Merkin Baller said:

The people who have been telling you the border is the most important issue facing America (but not so important that it can’t wait until 2025) have other things they want you to believe as well. 

Reminds me of when the news broke right here on AMT of Israel declaring war against Islam, because a mosque that was housing an underground terror organization took collateral damage. 

Seems the majority of Americans (most importantly the ones tasked with protecting it) feel the border is one of the most important issues. I certainly don’t need twitter and the confirmation bias hounds who congregate there to draw that conclusion. I wonder why the one person who has the power to actually do something about it hasn’t? Funny how what should be a totally unrelated post to the topic comes full circle with a single question. We should all be so proud. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-situation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-its-causes-and-consequences/

There's more than one person with the power to do something about it, but I digress. 

So it is both sides!  I knew it!!!

There's one party beating us over the head about the border being a problem and that's the same party who refuses to bring the bipartisan bill to the floor. 

If it can wait 9 - 12 months to address, it can't be that major of a problem. 

But what do the people who these idiots are supposed to be serving have to say about the issue? It's almost like they don't care what the people want, they just want the power...shocker. Basing your opinions on politician lip service and ignoring the warnings from those responsible for this nations security probably isn't the wisest decision.
 

Agreed. 

Too bad the USBP's endorsement of the bipartisan bill doesn't carry more weight w/ Mike Johnson & co.

mace1229

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

“I'm generally pro-immigrant, but its has been pointed out to me that Trump's mother and two of his wives, Elon Musk, and Rupert Murdoch are immigrants. They have done more to undermine the American way of life than a million hard-working Hispanics.“

I'm curious, what did Trumps mom and first wife do to undermine the American way?

They spawned trump & his kids.

I guess I'd disagree that marrying and having kids isn't undermining the American way, despite how the kids turn out as adults. 

It was more than a little tongue in cheek. 

I know. I just think it's a dumb statement to bring Trump's mom into the conversation. Seems kind of petty statement of whoever that person was that was quoted.

FiveBelow

Merkin Baller said:

FiveBelow said:

Merkin Baller said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Merkin Baller said:

FiveBelow said:

Merkin Baller said:

The people who have been telling you the border is the most important issue facing America (but not so important that it can’t wait until 2025) have other things they want you to believe as well. 

Reminds me of when the news broke right here on AMT of Israel declaring war against Islam, because a mosque that was housing an underground terror organization took collateral damage. 

Seems the majority of Americans (most importantly the ones tasked with protecting it) feel the border is one of the most important issues. I certainly don’t need twitter and the confirmation bias hounds who congregate there to draw that conclusion. I wonder why the one person who has the power to actually do something about it hasn’t? Funny how what should be a totally unrelated post to the topic comes full circle with a single question. We should all be so proud. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-situation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-its-causes-and-consequences/

There's more than one person with the power to do something about it, but I digress. 

So it is both sides!  I knew it!!!

There's one party beating us over the head about the border being a problem and that's the same party who refuses to bring the bipartisan bill to the floor. 

If it can wait 9 - 12 months to address, it can't be that major of a problem. 

But what do the people who these idiots are supposed to be serving have to say about the issue? It's almost like they don't care what the people want, they just want the power...shocker. Basing your opinions on politician lip service and ignoring the warnings from those responsible for this nations security probably isn't the wisest decision.
 

Agreed. 

Too bad the USBP's endorsement of the bipartisan bill doesn't carry more weight w/ Mike Johnson & co.

Yup, it’s a damn shame. But the buck stops with Biden, and this is occurring under his watch. He has an opportunity to step up and take action on an issue the majority of this country and his colleagues actually agree on for a change, but instead is choosing to sit on his hands. Remind me again why anyone is excited about the prospect of a second term for either of these guys? 

Merkin Baller

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

mace1229 said:

Merkin Baller said:

“I'm generally pro-immigrant, but its has been pointed out to me that Trump's mother and two of his wives, Elon Musk, and Rupert Murdoch are immigrants. They have done more to undermine the American way of life than a million hard-working Hispanics.“

I'm curious, what did Trumps mom and first wife do to undermine the American way?

They spawned trump & his kids.

I guess I'd disagree that marrying and having kids isn't undermining the American way, despite how the kids turn out as adults. 

It was more than a little tongue in cheek. 

I know. I just think it's a dumb statement to bring Trump's mom into the conversation. Seems kind of petty statement of whoever that person was that was quoted.

In a vacuum, where the guy never claimed that immigrants are poisoning the blood of the country, I might agree with you about the pettiness. 

Halifax2TheMax

Hmmmmmmm, excitement? You mean not being excited for a full-on autocracy and the end of democracy as we know it in 'Murica? Read up on 2025. Yea, I'm excited to vote against this bullshit:

Project 2025 | Presidential Transition Project

mickeyrat

FiveBelow said:

uMerkin Baller said:

The people who have been telling you the border is the most important issue facing America (but not so important that it can’t wait until 2025) have other things they want you to believe as well. 

Reminds me of when the news broke right here on AMT of Israel declaring war against Islam, because a mosque that was housing an underground terror organization took collateral damage. 

Seems the majority of Americans (most importantly the ones tasked with protecting it) feel the border is one of the most important issues. I certainly don’t need twitter and the confirmation bias hounds who congregate there to draw that conclusion. I wonder why the one person who has the power to actually do something about it hasn’t? Funny how what should be a totally unrelated post to the topic comes full circle with a single question. We should all be so proud. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-situation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-its-causes-and-consequences/

please tell us by what legal authorities a president can unilaterally close the border?

and why under trump it took title 42 to accomplish this? the same title federal judges ordered ended once the pandemic was declared over?

so absent a regionsl or global health crises, what authority does any president have on this matter?

FiveBelow

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

uMerkin Baller said:

The people who have been telling you the border is the most important issue facing America (but not so important that it can’t wait until 2025) have other things they want you to believe as well. 

Reminds me of when the news broke right here on AMT of Israel declaring war against Islam, because a mosque that was housing an underground terror organization took collateral damage. 

Seems the majority of Americans (most importantly the ones tasked with protecting it) feel the border is one of the most important issues. I certainly don’t need twitter and the confirmation bias hounds who congregate there to draw that conclusion. I wonder why the one person who has the power to actually do something about it hasn’t? Funny how what should be a totally unrelated post to the topic comes full circle with a single question. We should all be so proud. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-situation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-its-causes-and-consequences/

please tell us by what legal authorities a president can unilaterally close the border?

and why under trump it took title 42 to accomplish this? the same title federal judges ordered ended once the pandemic was declared over?

so absent a regionsl or global health crises, what authority does any president have on this matter?

Who asked for the border to be closed? Executive orders to curb the issue would be a good starting point.

mickeyrat

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

uMerkin Baller said:

The people who have been telling you the border is the most important issue facing America (but not so important that it can’t wait until 2025) have other things they want you to believe as well. 

Reminds me of when the news broke right here on AMT of Israel declaring war against Islam, because a mosque that was housing an underground terror organization took collateral damage. 

Seems the majority of Americans (most importantly the ones tasked with protecting it) feel the border is one of the most important issues. I certainly don’t need twitter and the confirmation bias hounds who congregate there to draw that conclusion. I wonder why the one person who has the power to actually do something about it hasn’t? Funny how what should be a totally unrelated post to the topic comes full circle with a single question. We should all be so proud. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-situation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-its-causes-and-consequences/

please tell us by what legal authorities a president can unilaterally close the border?

and why under trump it took title 42 to accomplish this? the same title federal judges ordered ended once the pandemic was declared over?

so absent a regionsl or global health crises, what authority does any president have on this matter?

Who asked for the border to be closed? Executive orders to curb the issue would be a good starting point.

and what executive orders can be executed within his legal authority can he issue?

be specific.  

 if he was willing to deal to give the disingenuous gop what they wanted , why wouldnt he have already done what you generally  suggest?

mickeyrat

https://www.politifact.com/article/2024/feb/02/ask-politifact-can-joe-biden-shut-down-the-border/

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/ReichlinMelnick/status/1778062605849952630?s=19

FiveBelow

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

uMerkin Baller said:

The people who have been telling you the border is the most important issue facing America (but not so important that it can’t wait until 2025) have other things they want you to believe as well. 

Reminds me of when the news broke right here on AMT of Israel declaring war against Islam, because a mosque that was housing an underground terror organization took collateral damage. 

Seems the majority of Americans (most importantly the ones tasked with protecting it) feel the border is one of the most important issues. I certainly don’t need twitter and the confirmation bias hounds who congregate there to draw that conclusion. I wonder why the one person who has the power to actually do something about it hasn’t? Funny how what should be a totally unrelated post to the topic comes full circle with a single question. We should all be so proud. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-situation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-its-causes-and-consequences/

please tell us by what legal authorities a president can unilaterally close the border?

and why under trump it took title 42 to accomplish this? the same title federal judges ordered ended once the pandemic was declared over?

so absent a regionsl or global health crises, what authority does any president have on this matter?

Who asked for the border to be closed? Executive orders to curb the issue would be a good starting point.

and what executive orders can be executed within his legal authority can he issue?

be specific.  

 if he was willing to deal to give the disingenuous gop what they wanted , why wouldnt he have already done what you generally  suggest?

Coincidentally, it appears he’s currently exploring those options. Lucky for us it only took the better part of 3 and a half years for him to see if being the president of the United States grants certain powers. To answer your question, I don’t know, but maybe we’ll be lucky enough to get it straight from the horse’s mouth. 

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/10/biden-border-executive-order-immigrants-asylum-limit
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/what-policies-do-biden-congress-have-us-border-2024-03-21/

mickeyrat

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

uMerkin Baller said:

The people who have been telling you the border is the most important issue facing America (but not so important that it can’t wait until 2025) have other things they want you to believe as well. 

Reminds me of when the news broke right here on AMT of Israel declaring war against Islam, because a mosque that was housing an underground terror organization took collateral damage. 

Seems the majority of Americans (most importantly the ones tasked with protecting it) feel the border is one of the most important issues. I certainly don’t need twitter and the confirmation bias hounds who congregate there to draw that conclusion. I wonder why the one person who has the power to actually do something about it hasn’t? Funny how what should be a totally unrelated post to the topic comes full circle with a single question. We should all be so proud. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-situation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-its-causes-and-consequences/

please tell us by what legal authorities a president can unilaterally close the border?

and why under trump it took title 42 to accomplish this? the same title federal judges ordered ended once the pandemic was declared over?

so absent a regionsl or global health crises, what authority does any president have on this matter?

Who asked for the border to be closed? Executive orders to curb the issue would be a good starting point.

and what executive orders can be executed within his legal authority can he issue?

be specific.  

 if he was willing to deal to give the disingenuous gop what they wanted , why wouldnt he have already done what you generally  suggest?

Coincidentally, it appears he’s currently exploring those options. Lucky for us it only took the better part of 3 and a half years for him to see if being the president of the United States grants certain powers. To answer your question, I don’t know, but maybe we’ll be lucky enough to get it straight from the horse’s mouth. 

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/10/biden-border-executive-order-immigrants-asylum-limit
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/what-policies-do-biden-congress-have-us-border-2024-03-21/

provision he would attempt to use has been tried before and blocked by the courts.

from the politifact article above....

Former President Donald Trump invoked the section of immigration law that Johnson cited when he tried to block people from seeking asylum. But courts stopped his efforts because they were at odds with the immigration law’s asylum section.

FiveBelow

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

uMerkin Baller said:

The people who have been telling you the border is the most important issue facing America (but not so important that it can’t wait until 2025) have other things they want you to believe as well. 

Reminds me of when the news broke right here on AMT of Israel declaring war against Islam, because a mosque that was housing an underground terror organization took collateral damage. 

Seems the majority of Americans (most importantly the ones tasked with protecting it) feel the border is one of the most important issues. I certainly don’t need twitter and the confirmation bias hounds who congregate there to draw that conclusion. I wonder why the one person who has the power to actually do something about it hasn’t? Funny how what should be a totally unrelated post to the topic comes full circle with a single question. We should all be so proud. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-situation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-its-causes-and-consequences/

please tell us by what legal authorities a president can unilaterally close the border?

and why under trump it took title 42 to accomplish this? the same title federal judges ordered ended once the pandemic was declared over?

so absent a regionsl or global health crises, what authority does any president have on this matter?

Who asked for the border to be closed? Executive orders to curb the issue would be a good starting point.

and what executive orders can be executed within his legal authority can he issue?

be specific.  

 if he was willing to deal to give the disingenuous gop what they wanted , why wouldnt he have already done what you generally  suggest?

Coincidentally, it appears he’s currently exploring those options. Lucky for us it only took the better part of 3 and a half years for him to see if being the president of the United States grants certain powers. To answer your question, I don’t know, but maybe we’ll be lucky enough to get it straight from the horse’s mouth. 

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/10/biden-border-executive-order-immigrants-asylum-limit
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/what-policies-do-biden-congress-have-us-border-2024-03-21/

provision he would attempt to use has been tried before and blocked by the courts.

from the politifact article above....

Former President Donald Trump invoked the section of immigration law that Johnson cited when he tried to block people from seeking asylum. But courts stopped his efforts because they were at odds with the immigration law’s asylum section.

Yes, but that is just part of the story, and what was blocked occurred under a whole different set of circumstances. From the reuters article:

The Biden administration has considered using a legal statute known as 212(f) that served as the basis for Trump's travel ban policies blocking travelers from some Muslim-majority nations and other countries, a person familiar with the matter told Reuters in February.

The Supreme Court upheld the travel ban policy in 2018, but a separate Trump effort to deny migrants at the border using the same statute was blocked in court.

I don't recall the FBI, Homeland Security, and NBPC voicing the same type of national security concerns at that time. Plus, 2023 border encounters were 5x higher than in 2018. These things matter, and until Biden actually attempts something, there is definitely an argument that more could be done. Besides, if he had already exhausted everything under his authority, as he's stated, how is he pursuing this?

mickeyrat

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

uMerkin Baller said:

The people who have been telling you the border is the most important issue facing America (but not so important that it can’t wait until 2025) have other things they want you to believe as well. 

Reminds me of when the news broke right here on AMT of Israel declaring war against Islam, because a mosque that was housing an underground terror organization took collateral damage. 

Seems the majority of Americans (most importantly the ones tasked with protecting it) feel the border is one of the most important issues. I certainly don’t need twitter and the confirmation bias hounds who congregate there to draw that conclusion. I wonder why the one person who has the power to actually do something about it hasn’t? Funny how what should be a totally unrelated post to the topic comes full circle with a single question. We should all be so proud. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-situation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-its-causes-and-consequences/

please tell us by what legal authorities a president can unilaterally close the border?

and why under trump it took title 42 to accomplish this? the same title federal judges ordered ended once the pandemic was declared over?

so absent a regionsl or global health crises, what authority does any president have on this matter?

Who asked for the border to be closed? Executive orders to curb the issue would be a good starting point.

and what executive orders can be executed within his legal authority can he issue?

be specific.  

 if he was willing to deal to give the disingenuous gop what they wanted , why wouldnt he have already done what you generally  suggest?

Coincidentally, it appears he’s currently exploring those options. Lucky for us it only took the better part of 3 and a half years for him to see if being the president of the United States grants certain powers. To answer your question, I don’t know, but maybe we’ll be lucky enough to get it straight from the horse’s mouth. 

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/10/biden-border-executive-order-immigrants-asylum-limit
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/what-policies-do-biden-congress-have-us-border-2024-03-21/

provision he would attempt to use has been tried before and blocked by the courts.

from the politifact article above....

Former President Donald Trump invoked the section of immigration law that Johnson cited when he tried to block people from seeking asylum. But courts stopped his efforts because they were at odds with the immigration law’s asylum section.

Yes, but that is just part of the story, and what was blocked occurred under a whole different set of circumstances. From the reuters article:

The Biden administration has considered using a legal statute known as 212(f) that served as the basis for Trump's travel ban policies blocking travelers from some Muslim-majority nations and other countries, a person familiar with the matter told Reuters in February.

The Supreme Court upheld the travel ban policy in 2018, but a separate Trump effort to deny migrants at the border using the same statute was blocked in court.

I don't recall the FBI, Homeland Security, and NBPC voicing the same type of national security concerns at that time. Plus, 2023 border encounters were 5x higher than in 2018. These things matter, and until Biden actually attempts something, there is definitely an argument that more could be done. Besides, if he had already exhausted everything under his authority, as he's stated, how is he pursuing this?

And all of that is well and good. However, one thing that desperately needs corrected is to add more asylum. Administrative judges and support staff, as well as the increase in funding for more border agents, as well as all the other fully modern technological advances Biden was proposing. Instead of just a steel fucking wall.

Halifax2TheMax

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

uMerkin Baller said:

The people who have been telling you the border is the most important issue facing America (but not so important that it can’t wait until 2025) have other things they want you to believe as well. 

Reminds me of when the news broke right here on AMT of Israel declaring war against Islam, because a mosque that was housing an underground terror organization took collateral damage. 

Seems the majority of Americans (most importantly the ones tasked with protecting it) feel the border is one of the most important issues. I certainly don’t need twitter and the confirmation bias hounds who congregate there to draw that conclusion. I wonder why the one person who has the power to actually do something about it hasn’t? Funny how what should be a totally unrelated post to the topic comes full circle with a single question. We should all be so proud. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-situation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-its-causes-and-consequences/

please tell us by what legal authorities a president can unilaterally close the border?

and why under trump it took title 42 to accomplish this? the same title federal judges ordered ended once the pandemic was declared over?

so absent a regionsl or global health crises, what authority does any president have on this matter?

Who asked for the border to be closed? Executive orders to curb the issue would be a good starting point.

and what executive orders can be executed within his legal authority can he issue?

be specific.  

 if he was willing to deal to give the disingenuous gop what they wanted , why wouldnt he have already done what you generally  suggest?

Coincidentally, it appears he’s currently exploring those options. Lucky for us it only took the better part of 3 and a half years for him to see if being the president of the United States grants certain powers. To answer your question, I don’t know, but maybe we’ll be lucky enough to get it straight from the horse’s mouth. 

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/10/biden-border-executive-order-immigrants-asylum-limit
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/what-policies-do-biden-congress-have-us-border-2024-03-21/

provision he would attempt to use has been tried before and blocked by the courts.

from the politifact article above....

Former President Donald Trump invoked the section of immigration law that Johnson cited when he tried to block people from seeking asylum. But courts stopped his efforts because they were at odds with the immigration law’s asylum section.

Yes, but that is just part of the story, and what was blocked occurred under a whole different set of circumstances. From the reuters article:

The Biden administration has considered using a legal statute known as 212(f) that served as the basis for Trump's travel ban policies blocking travelers from some Muslim-majority nations and other countries, a person familiar with the matter told Reuters in February.

The Supreme Court upheld the travel ban policy in 2018, but a separate Trump effort to deny migrants at the border using the same statute was blocked in court.

I don't recall the FBI, Homeland Security, and NBPC voicing the same type of national security concerns at that time. Plus, 2023 border encounters were 5x higher than in 2018. These things matter, and until Biden actually attempts something, there is definitely an argument that more could be done. Besides, if he had already exhausted everything under his authority, as he's stated, how is he pursuing this?

And all of that is well and good. However, one thing that desperately needs corrected is to add more asylum. Administrative judges and support staff, as well as the increase in funding for world border agents, as well as all the other fully modern technological advances Biden was proposing. Instead of just a steel fucking wall.

For an ineffective steel wall, I might add. Missing from this current conversation is the use of EOs and vesting too much power in the executive. Something that repub heads exploded over when Obama was POTUS (gee, wonder why?). Issues such as border protection and immigration are supposed to be and should be dealt with by congress because of the nature and scope of the issue at hand, multi-dimensional, layered, multi-faceted from a legal and issue standpoint. Congress represents the people doing the people’s business. The repubs could and should have negotiated for those things they wanted, despite getting them in the senate version, and brought the bill for a vote. They could have, with their simple majority, as slim as it was or is, voted no. That they abdicated their duty and responsibility is on them and the voters who elected them. They own it and are chicken shits because of their fealty to POOTWH.

Disingenuous arguments being made on this issue. Repubs could have claimed victory either way the vote had gone but want to run as do nothings. That’s weak. Folks are buying it so thanks Brandon.

Merkin Baller

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

uMerkin Baller said:

The people who have been telling you the border is the most important issue facing America (but not so important that it can’t wait until 2025) have other things they want you to believe as well. 

Reminds me of when the news broke right here on AMT of Israel declaring war against Islam, because a mosque that was housing an underground terror organization took collateral damage. 

Seems the majority of Americans (most importantly the ones tasked with protecting it) feel the border is one of the most important issues. I certainly don’t need twitter and the confirmation bias hounds who congregate there to draw that conclusion. I wonder why the one person who has the power to actually do something about it hasn’t? Funny how what should be a totally unrelated post to the topic comes full circle with a single question. We should all be so proud. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-situation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-its-causes-and-consequences/

please tell us by what legal authorities a president can unilaterally close the border?

and why under trump it took title 42 to accomplish this? the same title federal judges ordered ended once the pandemic was declared over?

so absent a regionsl or global health crises, what authority does any president have on this matter?

Who asked for the border to be closed? Executive orders to curb the issue would be a good starting point.

and what executive orders can be executed within his legal authority can he issue?

be specific.  

 if he was willing to deal to give the disingenuous gop what they wanted , why wouldnt he have already done what you generally  suggest?

Coincidentally, it appears he’s currently exploring those options. Lucky for us it only took the better part of 3 and a half years for him to see if being the president of the United States grants certain powers. To answer your question, I don’t know, but maybe we’ll be lucky enough to get it straight from the horse’s mouth. 

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/10/biden-border-executive-order-immigrants-asylum-limit
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/what-policies-do-biden-congress-have-us-border-2024-03-21/

provision he would attempt to use has been tried before and blocked by the courts.

from the politifact article above....

Former President Donald Trump invoked the section of immigration law that Johnson cited when he tried to block people from seeking asylum. But courts stopped his efforts because they were at odds with the immigration law’s asylum section.

Yes, but that is just part of the story, and what was blocked occurred under a whole different set of circumstances. From the reuters article:

The Biden administration has considered using a legal statute known as 212(f) that served as the basis for Trump's travel ban policies blocking travelers from some Muslim-majority nations and other countries, a person familiar with the matter told Reuters in February.

The Supreme Court upheld the travel ban policy in 2018, but a separate Trump effort to deny migrants at the border using the same statute was blocked in court.

I don't recall the FBI, Homeland Security, and NBPC voicing the same type of national security concerns at that time. Plus, 2023 border encounters were 5x higher than in 2018. These things matter, and until Biden actually attempts something, there is definitely an argument that more could be done. Besides, if he had already exhausted everything under his authority, as he's stated, how is he pursuing this?

And all of that is well and good. However, one thing that desperately needs corrected is to add more asylum. Administrative judges and support staff, as well as the increase in funding for world border agents, as well as all the other fully modern technological advances Biden was proposing. Instead of just a steel fucking wall.

For an ineffective steel wall, I might add. Missing from this current conversation is the use of EOs and vesting too much power in the executive. Something that repub heads exploded over when Obama was POTUS (gee, wonder why?). Issues such as border protection and immigration are supposed to be and should be dealt with by congress because of the nature and scope of the issue at hand, multi-dimensional, layered, multi-faceted from a legal and issue standpoint. Congress represents the people doing the people’s business. The repubs could and should have negotiated for those things they wanted, despite getting them in the senate version, and brought the bill for a vote. They could have, with their simple majority, as slim as it was or is, voted no. That they abdicated their duty and responsibility is on them and the voters who elected them. They own it and are chicken shits because of their fealty to POOTWH.

Disingenuous arguments being made on this issue. Repubs could have claimed victory either way the vote had gone but want to run as do nothings. That’s weak. Folks are buying it so thanks Brandon.

Yup

FiveBelow

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

uMerkin Baller said:

The people who have been telling you the border is the most important issue facing America (but not so important that it can’t wait until 2025) have other things they want you to believe as well. 

Reminds me of when the news broke right here on AMT of Israel declaring war against Islam, because a mosque that was housing an underground terror organization took collateral damage. 

Seems the majority of Americans (most importantly the ones tasked with protecting it) feel the border is one of the most important issues. I certainly don’t need twitter and the confirmation bias hounds who congregate there to draw that conclusion. I wonder why the one person who has the power to actually do something about it hasn’t? Funny how what should be a totally unrelated post to the topic comes full circle with a single question. We should all be so proud. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-situation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-its-causes-and-consequences/

please tell us by what legal authorities a president can unilaterally close the border?

and why under trump it took title 42 to accomplish this? the same title federal judges ordered ended once the pandemic was declared over?

so absent a regionsl or global health crises, what authority does any president have on this matter?

Who asked for the border to be closed? Executive orders to curb the issue would be a good starting point.

and what executive orders can be executed within his legal authority can he issue?

be specific.  

 if he was willing to deal to give the disingenuous gop what they wanted , why wouldnt he have already done what you generally  suggest?

Coincidentally, it appears he’s currently exploring those options. Lucky for us it only took the better part of 3 and a half years for him to see if being the president of the United States grants certain powers. To answer your question, I don’t know, but maybe we’ll be lucky enough to get it straight from the horse’s mouth. 

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/10/biden-border-executive-order-immigrants-asylum-limit
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/what-policies-do-biden-congress-have-us-border-2024-03-21/

provision he would attempt to use has been tried before and blocked by the courts.

from the politifact article above....

Former President Donald Trump invoked the section of immigration law that Johnson cited when he tried to block people from seeking asylum. But courts stopped his efforts because they were at odds with the immigration law’s asylum section.

Yes, but that is just part of the story, and what was blocked occurred under a whole different set of circumstances. From the reuters article:

The Biden administration has considered using a legal statute known as 212(f) that served as the basis for Trump's travel ban policies blocking travelers from some Muslim-majority nations and other countries, a person familiar with the matter told Reuters in February.

The Supreme Court upheld the travel ban policy in 2018, but a separate Trump effort to deny migrants at the border using the same statute was blocked in court.

I don't recall the FBI, Homeland Security, and NBPC voicing the same type of national security concerns at that time. Plus, 2023 border encounters were 5x higher than in 2018. These things matter, and until Biden actually attempts something, there is definitely an argument that more could be done. Besides, if he had already exhausted everything under his authority, as he's stated, how is he pursuing this?

And all of that is well and good. However, one thing that desperately needs corrected is to add more asylum. Administrative judges and support staff, as well as the increase in funding for world border agents, as well as all the other fully modern technological advances Biden was proposing. Instead of just a steel fucking wall.

For an ineffective steel wall, I might add. Missing from this current conversation is the use of EOs and vesting too much power in the executive. Something that repub heads exploded over when Obama was POTUS (gee, wonder why?). Issues such as border protection and immigration are supposed to be and should be dealt with by congress because of the nature and scope of the issue at hand, multi-dimensional, layered, multi-faceted from a legal and issue standpoint. Congress represents the people doing the people’s business. The repubs could and should have negotiated for those things they wanted, despite getting them in the senate version, and brought the bill for a vote. They could have, with their simple majority, as slim as it was or is, voted no. That they abdicated their duty and responsibility is on them and the voters who elected them. They own it and are chicken shits because of their fealty to POOTWH.

Disingenuous arguments being made on this issue. Repubs could have claimed victory either way the vote had gone but want to run as do nothings. That’s weak. Folks are buying it so thanks Brandon.

Hmmmm.

“And I want to make it clear — there’s a lot of talk, with good reason, about the number of executive orders that I have signed — I’m not making new law; I’m eliminating bad policy,” Biden said as he signed a series of actions on immigration from the Oval Office on February 2. “What I’m doing is taking on the issues that — 99% of them — that the president, the last president of the United States, issued executive orders I felt were very counterproductive to our security, counterproductive to who we are as a country, particularly in the area of immigration.”
Wonder how he feels about his own? You can’t simply erase January 2021 - October 2023 and the effects that time period had when addressing this issue. You want to pretend it didn’t happen, and judge only what has happened in the 6 months since our president started paying attention. Some of us are capable of more, but please tell me more about disingenuous arguments.
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/politics/biden-executive-orders/

Halifax2TheMax

FiveBelow said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

mickeyrat said:

FiveBelow said:

uMerkin Baller said:

The people who have been telling you the border is the most important issue facing America (but not so important that it can’t wait until 2025) have other things they want you to believe as well. 

Reminds me of when the news broke right here on AMT of Israel declaring war against Islam, because a mosque that was housing an underground terror organization took collateral damage. 

Seems the majority of Americans (most importantly the ones tasked with protecting it) feel the border is one of the most important issues. I certainly don’t need twitter and the confirmation bias hounds who congregate there to draw that conclusion. I wonder why the one person who has the power to actually do something about it hasn’t? Funny how what should be a totally unrelated post to the topic comes full circle with a single question. We should all be so proud. 

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2024/02/15/how-americans-view-the-situation-at-the-u-s-mexico-border-its-causes-and-consequences/

please tell us by what legal authorities a president can unilaterally close the border?

and why under trump it took title 42 to accomplish this? the same title federal judges ordered ended once the pandemic was declared over?

so absent a regionsl or global health crises, what authority does any president have on this matter?

Who asked for the border to be closed? Executive orders to curb the issue would be a good starting point.

and what executive orders can be executed within his legal authority can he issue?

be specific.  

 if he was willing to deal to give the disingenuous gop what they wanted , why wouldnt he have already done what you generally  suggest?

Coincidentally, it appears he’s currently exploring those options. Lucky for us it only took the better part of 3 and a half years for him to see if being the president of the United States grants certain powers. To answer your question, I don’t know, but maybe we’ll be lucky enough to get it straight from the horse’s mouth. 

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/10/biden-border-executive-order-immigrants-asylum-limit
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/what-policies-do-biden-congress-have-us-border-2024-03-21/

provision he would attempt to use has been tried before and blocked by the courts.

from the politifact article above....

Former President Donald Trump invoked the section of immigration law that Johnson cited when he tried to block people from seeking asylum. But courts stopped his efforts because they were at odds with the immigration law’s asylum section.

Yes, but that is just part of the story, and what was blocked occurred under a whole different set of circumstances. From the reuters article:

The Biden administration has considered using a legal statute known as 212(f) that served as the basis for Trump's travel ban policies blocking travelers from some Muslim-majority nations and other countries, a person familiar with the matter told Reuters in February.

The Supreme Court upheld the travel ban policy in 2018, but a separate Trump effort to deny migrants at the border using the same statute was blocked in court.

I don't recall the FBI, Homeland Security, and NBPC voicing the same type of national security concerns at that time. Plus, 2023 border encounters were 5x higher than in 2018. These things matter, and until Biden actually attempts something, there is definitely an argument that more could be done. Besides, if he had already exhausted everything under his authority, as he's stated, how is he pursuing this?

And all of that is well and good. However, one thing that desperately needs corrected is to add more asylum. Administrative judges and support staff, as well as the increase in funding for world border agents, as well as all the other fully modern technological advances Biden was proposing. Instead of just a steel fucking wall.

For an ineffective steel wall, I might add. Missing from this current conversation is the use of EOs and vesting too much power in the executive. Something that repub heads exploded over when Obama was POTUS (gee, wonder why?). Issues such as border protection and immigration are supposed to be and should be dealt with by congress because of the nature and scope of the issue at hand, multi-dimensional, layered, multi-faceted from a legal and issue standpoint. Congress represents the people doing the people’s business. The repubs could and should have negotiated for those things they wanted, despite getting them in the senate version, and brought the bill for a vote. They could have, with their simple majority, as slim as it was or is, voted no. That they abdicated their duty and responsibility is on them and the voters who elected them. They own it and are chicken shits because of their fealty to POOTWH.

Disingenuous arguments being made on this issue. Repubs could have claimed victory either way the vote had gone but want to run as do nothings. That’s weak. Folks are buying it so thanks Brandon.

Hmmmm.

“And I want to make it clear — there’s a lot of talk, with good reason, about the number of executive orders that I have signed — I’m not making new law; I’m eliminating bad policy,” Biden said as he signed a series of actions on immigration from the Oval Office on February 2. “What I’m doing is taking on the issues that — 99% of them — that the president, the last president of the United States, issued executive orders I felt were very counterproductive to our security, counterproductive to who we are as a country, particularly in the area of immigration.”
Wonder how he feels about his own? You can’t simply erase January 2021 - October 2023 and the effects that time period had when addressing this issue. You want to pretend it didn’t happen, and judge only what has happened in the 6 months since our president started paying attention. Some of us are capable of more, but please tell me more about disingenuous arguments.
https://www.cnn.com/interactive/2021/politics/biden-executive-orders/

It’s the same ploy as, “our number one priority is to see this president fail.” Some of us are capable of seeing that, and that repubs are chicken shit do nothings. I look forward to the talking heads on Faux exploding when Brandon starts issuing EOs.

Doing nothing is not a solution. Issuing EOs is not the preferred way to implement law or eliminate bad law. Legislation is typically bipartisan and representative. I get it, you’re all in on autocracy. Bet you can’t wait?