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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,448
    brianlux said:
    So funny when people talk about "dementia Joe" because Biden forgets a few details now and then (so do I, by the way), and yet their hero (45) is more mentally deranged than an orangutan on a cocktail of quaaludes, fentanyl, and GHB.  Too friggin' funny.
    It couldn't be any less serious of a position. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,016
    Ooh hoo BuT CrImE iS dOwN 'cAuSE I rEaD a FBI rEpOrT!!! Lol!
    No, it’s up because I read it on the socials.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
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    Ooh hoo BuT CrImE iS dOwN 'cAuSE I rEaD a FBI rEpOrT!!! Lol!
    No, it’s up because I read it on the socials.

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    edited February 27
    gift article....


    The economy is roaring. Immigration is a key reason.
    By Rachel Siegel, Lauren Kaori Gurley and Meryl Kornfield
    February 27, 2024 at 11:39 ET
    Immigration has propelled the U.S. job market further than just about anyone expected, helping cement the country’s economic rebound from the pandemic as the most robust in the world.
    That momentum picked up aggressively over the past year. About 50 percent of the labor market’s extraordinary recent growth came from foreign-born workers between January 2023 and January 2024, according to an Economic Policy Institute analysis of federal data. And even before that, by the middle of 2022, the foreign-born labor force had grown so fast that it closed the labor force gap created by the pandemic, according to research from the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco.
    Immigrant workers also recovered much faster than native-born workers from the pandemic’s disruptions, and many saw some of the largest wage gains in industries eager to hire. Economists and labor experts say the surge in employment was ultimately key to solving unprecedented gaps in the economy that threatened the country’s ability to recover from prolonged shutdowns.
    “Immigration has not slowed. It has just been absolutely astronomical,” said Pia Orrenius, vice president and senior economist at the Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas. “And that’s been instrumental. You can’t grow like this with just the native workforce. It’s not possible.”
    [Trump vs. Biden on immigration: 12 charts comparing U.S. border security]
    Yet immigration remains an intensely polarizing issue in American politics. Fresh survey data from Gallup showed Americans now cite immigration as the country’s top problem, surpassing inflation, the economy and issues with government. A record number of migrants have crossed the southern border since President Biden took office, with apprehensions topping 2 million for the second straight year in fiscal 2023, among the highest in U.S. history. Cities like New York, Chicago and Denver have struggled to keep up with busloads of immigrants sent from Texas who are overwhelming local shelters.

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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,288
    Total border encounters over the last 2 administrations per CBP:
    Fiscal Year runs October 1 - September 30
    2017 526,901 2018 683,178 2019 1,148,024 2020 646,822 = 3,004,925
    2021 1,956,519 2022 2,766,582 2023 3,201,144 2024 1,231,213 (7 months remain) = 9,155,458
    Were there any changes in 2021 that could be to blame for the influx we've seen since? If so, who executed them, and would you consider these changes a success given the current situation? You know, for the sake of objectivity and all. I'm glad team blue's newfound border interest has seemingly made their loyalists forget the previous 3+ years of them mocking and downplaying our border issues, but to me this feels more like an attempt to sweep away culpability and grasp for votes than anything else. If that's the case, is anyone truly surprised by how team red is playing this? This is politics after all, the peoples best interests will always take a back seat to the parties. It's fascinating to watch how quickly viewpoints shift when the only change is the politicians so many swoon for changing their tune. The election cycle fuckery has only begun in this two-party joke. The fact team blue isn't willing to admit Biden’s fuck up after 3 years of ignorance, coupled with team red not immediately seizing the opportunity to fund the border says it all. Very serious people indeed, we should all be so proud.


  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,448
    FiveBelow said:
    Total border encounters over the last 2 administrations per CBP:
    Fiscal Year runs October 1 - September 30
    2017 526,901 2018 683,178 2019 1,148,024 2020 646,822 = 3,004,925
    2021 1,956,519 2022 2,766,582 2023 3,201,144 2024 1,231,213 (7 months remain) = 9,155,458
    Were there any changes in 2021 that could be to blame for the influx we've seen since? If so, who executed them, and would you consider these changes a success given the current situation? You know, for the sake of objectivity and all. I'm glad team blue's newfound border interest has seemingly made their loyalists forget the previous 3+ years of them mocking and downplaying our border issues, but to me this feels more like an attempt to sweep away culpability and grasp for votes than anything else. If that's the case, is anyone truly surprised by how team red is playing this? This is politics after all, the peoples best interests will always take a back seat to the parties. It's fascinating to watch how quickly viewpoints shift when the only change is the politicians so many swoon for changing their tune. The election cycle fuckery has only begun in this two-party joke. The fact team blue isn't willing to admit Biden’s fuck up after 3 years of ignorance, coupled with team red not immediately seizing the opportunity to fund the border says it all. Very serious people indeed, we should all be so proud.

    Your position here is that democrats negotiated this bill to avoid culpability and get votes? 

    They didn't work this deal because the GOP tied Ukraine funding to it? 
  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,288
    FiveBelow said:
    Total border encounters over the last 2 administrations per CBP:
    Fiscal Year runs October 1 - September 30
    2017 526,901 2018 683,178 2019 1,148,024 2020 646,822 = 3,004,925
    2021 1,956,519 2022 2,766,582 2023 3,201,144 2024 1,231,213 (7 months remain) = 9,155,458
    Were there any changes in 2021 that could be to blame for the influx we've seen since? If so, who executed them, and would you consider these changes a success given the current situation? You know, for the sake of objectivity and all. I'm glad team blue's newfound border interest has seemingly made their loyalists forget the previous 3+ years of them mocking and downplaying our border issues, but to me this feels more like an attempt to sweep away culpability and grasp for votes than anything else. If that's the case, is anyone truly surprised by how team red is playing this? This is politics after all, the peoples best interests will always take a back seat to the parties. It's fascinating to watch how quickly viewpoints shift when the only change is the politicians so many swoon for changing their tune. The election cycle fuckery has only begun in this two-party joke. The fact team blue isn't willing to admit Biden’s fuck up after 3 years of ignorance, coupled with team red not immediately seizing the opportunity to fund the border says it all. Very serious people indeed, we should all be so proud.

    Your position here is that democrats negotiated this bill to avoid culpability and get votes? 

    They didn't work this deal because the GOP tied Ukraine funding to it? 
    The border being a priority are the optics they're after, they know it's a voting issue, and this is an election year. Nobody seems to be talking about who amplified the issue, but rather who is stalling it. The fact the "border" bill is tied to anything other than the border is just another reason I can't take our government serious. Seems we're more interested in funding overseas chaos than anything else.

  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,448
    FiveBelow said:
    FiveBelow said:
    Total border encounters over the last 2 administrations per CBP:
    Fiscal Year runs October 1 - September 30
    2017 526,901 2018 683,178 2019 1,148,024 2020 646,822 = 3,004,925
    2021 1,956,519 2022 2,766,582 2023 3,201,144 2024 1,231,213 (7 months remain) = 9,155,458
    Were there any changes in 2021 that could be to blame for the influx we've seen since? If so, who executed them, and would you consider these changes a success given the current situation? You know, for the sake of objectivity and all. I'm glad team blue's newfound border interest has seemingly made their loyalists forget the previous 3+ years of them mocking and downplaying our border issues, but to me this feels more like an attempt to sweep away culpability and grasp for votes than anything else. If that's the case, is anyone truly surprised by how team red is playing this? This is politics after all, the peoples best interests will always take a back seat to the parties. It's fascinating to watch how quickly viewpoints shift when the only change is the politicians so many swoon for changing their tune. The election cycle fuckery has only begun in this two-party joke. The fact team blue isn't willing to admit Biden’s fuck up after 3 years of ignorance, coupled with team red not immediately seizing the opportunity to fund the border says it all. Very serious people indeed, we should all be so proud.

    Your position here is that democrats negotiated this bill to avoid culpability and get votes? 

    They didn't work this deal because the GOP tied Ukraine funding to it? 
    The border being a priority are the optics they're after, they know it's a voting issue, and this is an election year. Nobody seems to be talking about who amplified the issue, but rather who is stalling it. The fact the "border" bill is tied to anything other than the border is just another reason I can't take our government serious. Seems we're more interested in funding overseas chaos than anything else.

    By all means, let’s talk about who amplified the issue, and how. 
  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,288
    FiveBelow said:
    FiveBelow said:
    Total border encounters over the last 2 administrations per CBP:
    Fiscal Year runs October 1 - September 30
    2017 526,901 2018 683,178 2019 1,148,024 2020 646,822 = 3,004,925
    2021 1,956,519 2022 2,766,582 2023 3,201,144 2024 1,231,213 (7 months remain) = 9,155,458
    Were there any changes in 2021 that could be to blame for the influx we've seen since? If so, who executed them, and would you consider these changes a success given the current situation? You know, for the sake of objectivity and all. I'm glad team blue's newfound border interest has seemingly made their loyalists forget the previous 3+ years of them mocking and downplaying our border issues, but to me this feels more like an attempt to sweep away culpability and grasp for votes than anything else. If that's the case, is anyone truly surprised by how team red is playing this? This is politics after all, the peoples best interests will always take a back seat to the parties. It's fascinating to watch how quickly viewpoints shift when the only change is the politicians so many swoon for changing their tune. The election cycle fuckery has only begun in this two-party joke. The fact team blue isn't willing to admit Biden’s fuck up after 3 years of ignorance, coupled with team red not immediately seizing the opportunity to fund the border says it all. Very serious people indeed, we should all be so proud.

    Your position here is that democrats negotiated this bill to avoid culpability and get votes? 

    They didn't work this deal because the GOP tied Ukraine funding to it? 
    The border being a priority are the optics they're after, they know it's a voting issue, and this is an election year. Nobody seems to be talking about who amplified the issue, but rather who is stalling it. The fact the "border" bill is tied to anything other than the border is just another reason I can't take our government serious. Seems we're more interested in funding overseas chaos than anything else.

    By all means, let’s talk about who amplified the issue, and how. 
    A good place to start is answering the questions I asked in my original post. I don’t put much stock in what politicians and their followers who scream all day on the internet SAY. I’m talking about policy, and its real world effects. To ignore the cause of the issues we’re facing isn’t my interest. Our borders are inundated for a reason. How did it come to a point where one side did a 180 on the issue after reassuring everyone there was no issue for the past 3 years?
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,448
    FiveBelow said:
    FiveBelow said:
    FiveBelow said:
    Total border encounters over the last 2 administrations per CBP:
    Fiscal Year runs October 1 - September 30
    2017 526,901 2018 683,178 2019 1,148,024 2020 646,822 = 3,004,925
    2021 1,956,519 2022 2,766,582 2023 3,201,144 2024 1,231,213 (7 months remain) = 9,155,458
    Were there any changes in 2021 that could be to blame for the influx we've seen since? If so, who executed them, and would you consider these changes a success given the current situation? You know, for the sake of objectivity and all. I'm glad team blue's newfound border interest has seemingly made their loyalists forget the previous 3+ years of them mocking and downplaying our border issues, but to me this feels more like an attempt to sweep away culpability and grasp for votes than anything else. If that's the case, is anyone truly surprised by how team red is playing this? This is politics after all, the peoples best interests will always take a back seat to the parties. It's fascinating to watch how quickly viewpoints shift when the only change is the politicians so many swoon for changing their tune. The election cycle fuckery has only begun in this two-party joke. The fact team blue isn't willing to admit Biden’s fuck up after 3 years of ignorance, coupled with team red not immediately seizing the opportunity to fund the border says it all. Very serious people indeed, we should all be so proud.

    Your position here is that democrats negotiated this bill to avoid culpability and get votes? 

    They didn't work this deal because the GOP tied Ukraine funding to it? 
    The border being a priority are the optics they're after, they know it's a voting issue, and this is an election year. Nobody seems to be talking about who amplified the issue, but rather who is stalling it. The fact the "border" bill is tied to anything other than the border is just another reason I can't take our government serious. Seems we're more interested in funding overseas chaos than anything else.

    By all means, let’s talk about who amplified the issue, and how. 
    A good place to start is answering the questions I asked in my original post. I don’t put much stock in what politicians and their followers who scream all day on the internet SAY. I’m talking about policy, and its real world effects. To ignore the cause of the issues we’re facing isn’t my interest. Our borders are inundated for a reason. How did it come to a point where one side did a 180 on the issue after reassuring everyone there was no issue for the past 3 years?
    The democrats’ 180 on negotiating a deal makes sense with the context of how crucial the Ukraine aid is. 

    How about the GOP’s 180 though? If objectivity is of interest here…  After years of telling us how crucial a security issue the border is, after demanding and receiving a bipartisan negotiated deal, they refuse it and tell us it can wait until January 2025… for the exact reasons you claim the democrats “prioritized” the issue. That’s no small amount of projection there. 
  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,288
    FiveBelow said:
    FiveBelow said:
    FiveBelow said:
    Total border encounters over the last 2 administrations per CBP:
    Fiscal Year runs October 1 - September 30
    2017 526,901 2018 683,178 2019 1,148,024 2020 646,822 = 3,004,925
    2021 1,956,519 2022 2,766,582 2023 3,201,144 2024 1,231,213 (7 months remain) = 9,155,458
    Were there any changes in 2021 that could be to blame for the influx we've seen since? If so, who executed them, and would you consider these changes a success given the current situation? You know, for the sake of objectivity and all. I'm glad team blue's newfound border interest has seemingly made their loyalists forget the previous 3+ years of them mocking and downplaying our border issues, but to me this feels more like an attempt to sweep away culpability and grasp for votes than anything else. If that's the case, is anyone truly surprised by how team red is playing this? This is politics after all, the peoples best interests will always take a back seat to the parties. It's fascinating to watch how quickly viewpoints shift when the only change is the politicians so many swoon for changing their tune. The election cycle fuckery has only begun in this two-party joke. The fact team blue isn't willing to admit Biden’s fuck up after 3 years of ignorance, coupled with team red not immediately seizing the opportunity to fund the border says it all. Very serious people indeed, we should all be so proud.

    Your position here is that democrats negotiated this bill to avoid culpability and get votes? 

    They didn't work this deal because the GOP tied Ukraine funding to it? 
    The border being a priority are the optics they're after, they know it's a voting issue, and this is an election year. Nobody seems to be talking about who amplified the issue, but rather who is stalling it. The fact the "border" bill is tied to anything other than the border is just another reason I can't take our government serious. Seems we're more interested in funding overseas chaos than anything else.

    By all means, let’s talk about who amplified the issue, and how. 
    A good place to start is answering the questions I asked in my original post. I don’t put much stock in what politicians and their followers who scream all day on the internet SAY. I’m talking about policy, and its real world effects. To ignore the cause of the issues we’re facing isn’t my interest. Our borders are inundated for a reason. How did it come to a point where one side did a 180 on the issue after reassuring everyone there was no issue for the past 3 years?
    The democrats’ 180 on negotiating a deal makes sense with the context of how crucial the Ukraine aid is. 

    How about the GOP’s 180 though? If objectivity is of interest here…  After years of telling us how crucial a security issue the border is, after demanding and receiving a bipartisan negotiated deal, they refuse it and tell us it can wait until January 2025… for the exact reasons you claim the democrats “prioritized” the issue. That’s no small amount of projection there. 
    The election cycle fuckery has only begun in this two-party joke. The fact team blue isn't willing to admit Biden’s fuck up after 3 years of ignorance, coupled with team red not immediately seizing the opportunity to fund the border says it all. Very serious people indeed, we should all be so proud.

    Figured this covered that.
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,448
    edited February 28
    Yeah, both sides. 
    You’re right. Well said. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    if only a president could shit money....

    https://apnews.com/article/asylum-migrants-biden-border-budget-58e447ee0033a5ef23593ed5c02da02e   US asylum restriction aimed at limiting claims has little impact given strained border budget

     
    US asylum restriction aimed at limiting claims has little impact given strained border budget
    By ELLIOT SPAGAT
    Today

    TUCSON, Ariz. (AP) — Inside giant white tents that house about 1,000 migrants near Tucson International Airport, Border Patrol agents demonstrate clockwork efficiency to release detainees within two days of arrest with orders to appear in immigration courts at their final destinations. Agents transmit information from the field to colleagues who prepare court papers while migrants are bused hours away to a processing center, minimizing time in custody.

    Notably missing from the operations hub in the busiest corridor for illegal crossings into the U.S. are asylum officers who do initial screenings, which are intended to weed out weak claims that don't meet narrowly prescribed grounds for seeking protection, such as race, religion and political opinion.

    Asylum officers were instructed nearly a year ago to apply a higher screening standard on those who cross the border illegally after passing though another country, such as Mexico, but they are too understaffed to have much impact. The Biden administration hails the higher standard as a cornerstone of its border policy in legal challenges, but its application in only a small percentage of arrests shows how budgets can fail to match ambitions.

    Strained budgets continue to loom large as the White House again considers sweeping measures to limit asylum at the border.

    The failure of a $20 billion spending plan on border security this month has caused the administration to assess its priorities. U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, facing a $700 million hole this year, is considering cutting the number of detention beds from 38,000 to 22,000 and facilitating fewer deportation flights. These possible steps were first reported by The Washington Post and confirmed to The Associated Press by a U.S. official who spoke on the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss it publicly.

    The failed spending package crafted by Senate negotiators would have given $4 billion to U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services, including to add 4,338 asylum officers to screen applicants and make final decisions on claims — more than four times current staffing.

    Arrests for illegal border crossings from Mexico plunged 42%, to the second-lowest monthly rate of Joe Biden's presidency, a month after the higher standard replaced COVID-19 pandemic-related asylum restrictions. The rule “is working as intended and has already significantly reduced encounters at the border,” Blas Nuñez-Neto, assistant homeland security secretary for border and immigration policy, said in a court filing at the time.

    Asylum-seekers subject to tougher screenings had a 59% pass rate through September, down from 85% in the five years before the pandemic, Nuñez-Neto said in another court filing that called the policy a success.

    While that suggests the policy has made a difference, its scope has been limited. Officers interviewed only 57,700 migrants under the new rule through September, according to Nuñez-Neto. That represents only about 15% of the nearly 365,500 migrants released by Border Patrol from June to September with notices to appear in immigration court.

    The Department of Homeland Security declined this week to provide more recent numbers. It insists that the higher screening standard is working as intended, while acknowledging it has failed to keep pace with unprecedented migration flows and calling on Congress to adequately fund the efforts.

    Asylum officers did more than 130,000 screenings, known as “credible fear interviews,” at the border during the 2023 budget year, which was more than double the year before. But more than 600,000 migrants were released with notices to appear in immigration court in that time and another 300,000 with orders to report to an immigration office for a court date, a practice that has largely ceased.

    Mbala Giodi, a migrant from Angola, waited hours after crossing the border from Mexico in the mountains east of San Diego for agents to take him to a holding station, where he spent two days. He was released at a San Diego transit center and told he would have a chance to explain his reasons for fleeing his southern Africa homeland in court, with an initial hearing scheduled in New York in May.

    “There wasn’t much problem,” said Giodi, 42, who calls himself a victim of government repression for being a student protestor in Angola.

    To even put the higher screening standard into effect, Citizenship and Immigration Services added about 1,000 staff to assist an existing 850 or so asylum officers, training former asylum officers and other employees for short stints, said Michael Knowles, spokesman for the National Citizenship and Immigration Services Council. The union represents workers at the agency, which also oversees work visas, green cards, citizenship applications and asylum claims that originate away from the border.

    Assigning so many employees to border cases extended wait times for other services, he said. Weekend overtime was mandatory, as was holiday work.

    “We’re so overwhelmed and there’s so much pressure,” Knowles said. “Part of the border crisis is they didn’t hire enough of us to do the work.”

    A lack of resources hampered another Biden policy that took effect in June 2022, empowering asylum officers to make final rulings on claims, not just screenings. It aimed to ease the workload of immigration judges, whose backlog of more than 3 million cases has allowed asylum-seekers with weak claims to stay in the United States for years — with eligibility for work permits — while their cases wind through the system.

    Fewer than 6,000 asylum cases had been decided under the 2022 policy by the end of September.

    “That is a very important program that got very little support,” Knowles said.

    Advocates for asylum-seekers have sued over application of the higher screening standard. They argue that it unfairly penalizes those who cross the border illegally while a heavily oversubscribed online appointment system, called CBP One, is virtually the only way to come through an official port of entry. The standard remains in effect while a judge's ruling declaring the policy illegal is under appeal. The case may reach the Supreme Court.

    While migration flows dropped immediately after the higher standard took effect, border arrests increased in five of the last six months of 2023 as migrants and smugglers adjusted to realities on the ground, peaking at an all-time high of 250,000 in December.


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  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,351
    Perfect song to describe it.  Basically i want to give you the opposite.

    "if it gets you down , well then ill take it"
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,448
    Perfect song to describe it.  Basically i want to give you the opposite.

    "if it gets you down , well then ill take it"
    Agreed... too many people can't see the forest for the trees and what really matters in the grand scheme of things. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,288
    edited February 28
    Yeah, both sides. 
    You’re right. Well said. 
    Not sure if this is sarcasm (hard to decipher in text), but I do appreciate your non-combative responses. Rare in these times of extreme political polarization.

    Edit - To be clear, I'm not claiming to be right, nobody truly knows the intent of either party. I just feel it's important to keep enough of a distance from both to steer clear of becoming heavily influenced.
    Post edited by FiveBelow on
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,448
    FiveBelow said:
    Yeah, both sides. 
    You’re right. Well said. 
    Not sure if this is sarcasm (hard to decipher in text), but I do appreciate your non-combative responses. Rare in these times of extreme political polarization.

    Edit - To be clear, I'm not claiming to be right, nobody truly knows the intent of either party. I just feel it's important to keep enough of a distance from both to steer clear of becoming heavily influenced.
    Not gonna lie, It was sarcasm. I couldn't disagree more with your perspective, but you're entitled to it all the same. 

    We seem to be light years apart in our view of current circumstances, both domestic and global... I didn't see much point in continuing. 
  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,288
    FiveBelow said:
    Yeah, both sides. 
    You’re right. Well said. 
    Not sure if this is sarcasm (hard to decipher in text), but I do appreciate your non-combative responses. Rare in these times of extreme political polarization.

    Edit - To be clear, I'm not claiming to be right, nobody truly knows the intent of either party. I just feel it's important to keep enough of a distance from both to steer clear of becoming heavily influenced.
    Not gonna lie, It was sarcasm. I couldn't disagree more with your perspective, but you're entitled to it all the same. 

    We seem to be light years apart in our view of current circumstances, both domestic and global... I didn't see much point in continuing. 
    Fair enough. Although, I wouldn’t assume the entirety of someone’s views based on their opinions of very specific issues. Other than blaming the right for holding up the border funding, I’m still unsure of your opinion on how this all came to fruition.


  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,448
    FiveBelow said:
    FiveBelow said:
    Yeah, both sides. 
    You’re right. Well said. 
    Not sure if this is sarcasm (hard to decipher in text), but I do appreciate your non-combative responses. Rare in these times of extreme political polarization.

    Edit - To be clear, I'm not claiming to be right, nobody truly knows the intent of either party. I just feel it's important to keep enough of a distance from both to steer clear of becoming heavily influenced.
    Not gonna lie, It was sarcasm. I couldn't disagree more with your perspective, but you're entitled to it all the same. 

    We seem to be light years apart in our view of current circumstances, both domestic and global... I didn't see much point in continuing. 
    Fair enough. Although, I wouldn’t assume the entirety of someone’s views based on their opinions of very specific issues. Other than blaming the right for holding up the border funding, I’m still unsure of your opinion on how this all came to fruition.


    I don’t assume the entirety of your views, but what we’ve discussed here? Yeah… I don’t see us finding much middle ground. 
  • Election years make the left look so dumb. Funny how they try to be Rs about this time. F'ing joke how all of a sudden crime and the border are sO ImPorTaNt!

    They lied for 3 years and now it's a huge concern for them. Typical stupid left, cause all the problems and then come in late saying they now can try to fix the problems. How dumb are you left? Lied to for 3 years and now you care? F'ing joke!

    Left do not even know how much they are getting played with the last shit Lying Chuckie bill.  They knew it was shit. Now they want to try to blame the GOP. The left have about a 2 month memory and the Ds can play that. FJB!

    Raise your hand if you beleive this POS


  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,016
    Election years make the left look so dumb. Funny how they try to be Rs about this time. F'ing joke how all of a sudden crime and the border are sO ImPorTaNt!

    They lied for 3 years and now it's a huge concern for them. Typical stupid left, cause all the problems and then come in late saying they now can try to fix the problems. How dumb are you left? Lied to for 3 years and now you care? F'ing joke!

    Left do not even know how much they are getting played with the last shit Lying Chuckie bill.  They knew it was shit. Now they want to try to blame the GOP. The left have about a 2 month memory and the Ds can play that. FJB!

    Raise your hand if you beleive this POS


    I’m not worried about the border. Are you?
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    FiveBelow said:
    Total border encounters over the last 2 administrations per CBP:
    Fiscal Year runs October 1 - September 30
    2017 526,901 2018 683,178 2019 1,148,024 2020 646,822 = 3,004,925
    2021 1,956,519 2022 2,766,582 2023 3,201,144 2024 1,231,213 (7 months remain) = 9,155,458
    Were there any changes in 2021 that could be to blame for the influx we've seen since? If so, who executed them, and would you consider these changes a success given the current situation? You know, for the sake of objectivity and all. I'm glad team blue's newfound border interest has seemingly made their loyalists forget the previous 3+ years of them mocking and downplaying our border issues, but to me this feels more like an attempt to sweep away culpability and grasp for votes than anything else. If that's the case, is anyone truly surprised by how team red is playing this? This is politics after all, the peoples best interests will always take a back seat to the parties. It's fascinating to watch how quickly viewpoints shift when the only change is the politicians so many swoon for changing their tune. The election cycle fuckery has only begun in this two-party joke. The fact team blue isn't willing to admit Biden’s fuck up after 3 years of ignorance, coupled with team red not immediately seizing the opportunity to fund the border says it all. Very serious people indeed, we should all be so proud.


    Data is great, but just throwing out numbers or even just throwing out the totals you did without delving further in to them is really kind of pointless. There is a lot to digest with the border situation and it's maddening when all people do is point at a number without examining what they mean or if data is even being collected in the same way.

    You brought up 2021 as the change, but it really started happening in 2018 and then more so in 2019. The only thing that kept 2020 down is obviously Covid or I'm sure we would have seen it be somewhere a little under what 2021 ended at, which would have also been higher if not for the lingering impacts of Covid in the first quarter of FY21 for the CBP dataset. It doesn't seem title 42 deterred encounters during it's existence, even though I am sure MAGAs are foaming at the mouth and pointing to its end as the reason for increased encounters. That only took effect since May and then June actually saw a decrease before trending up again to higher numbers in August.

    Hell, even the northern border encounters have increased 6x the amount from FY21 (27,000 up to 189,000) so it isn't only the southwest, which is obviously the main focus any time the topic of immigration comes up.

    I think the other issue is that just because there are encounters, doesn't mean it's "thugs" and "rapists". A large percentage of the encounters are still families and minors, but single adult encounters have seen an uptick the past few years as well. A lot of people fleeing shitty situations or trying to reunite with family already in the US.

    There's a good commentary that was put out right before the end of title 42 that really delved in to the complicated situation of immigration and analyzed the CBP data to great extent. It's a pretty fascinating read.

    https://www.wola.org/analysis/end-title-42/
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • cutzcutz Posts: 11,832
    I thought that Great Wall that Trump had Built and Mexico paid for, was supposed to take of the problem?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,016
    tbergs said:
    FiveBelow said:
    Total border encounters over the last 2 administrations per CBP:
    Fiscal Year runs October 1 - September 30
    2017 526,901 2018 683,178 2019 1,148,024 2020 646,822 = 3,004,925
    2021 1,956,519 2022 2,766,582 2023 3,201,144 2024 1,231,213 (7 months remain) = 9,155,458
    Were there any changes in 2021 that could be to blame for the influx we've seen since? If so, who executed them, and would you consider these changes a success given the current situation? You know, for the sake of objectivity and all. I'm glad team blue's newfound border interest has seemingly made their loyalists forget the previous 3+ years of them mocking and downplaying our border issues, but to me this feels more like an attempt to sweep away culpability and grasp for votes than anything else. If that's the case, is anyone truly surprised by how team red is playing this? This is politics after all, the peoples best interests will always take a back seat to the parties. It's fascinating to watch how quickly viewpoints shift when the only change is the politicians so many swoon for changing their tune. The election cycle fuckery has only begun in this two-party joke. The fact team blue isn't willing to admit Biden’s fuck up after 3 years of ignorance, coupled with team red not immediately seizing the opportunity to fund the border says it all. Very serious people indeed, we should all be so proud.


    Data is great, but just throwing out numbers or even just throwing out the totals you did without delving further in to them is really kind of pointless. There is a lot to digest with the border situation and it's maddening when all people do is point at a number without examining what they mean or if data is even being collected in the same way.

    You brought up 2021 as the change, but it really started happening in 2018 and then more so in 2019. The only thing that kept 2020 down is obviously Covid or I'm sure we would have seen it be somewhere a little under what 2021 ended at, which would have also been higher if not for the lingering impacts of Covid in the first quarter of FY21 for the CBP dataset. It doesn't seem title 42 deterred encounters during it's existence, even though I am sure MAGAs are foaming at the mouth and pointing to its end as the reason for increased encounters. That only took effect since May and then June actually saw a decrease before trending up again to higher numbers in August.

    Hell, even the northern border encounters have increased 6x the amount from FY21 (27,000 up to 189,000) so it isn't only the southwest, which is obviously the main focus any time the topic of immigration comes up.

    I think the other issue is that just because there are encounters, doesn't mean it's "thugs" and "rapists". A large percentage of the encounters are still families and minors, but single adult encounters have seen an uptick the past few years as well. A lot of people fleeing shitty situations or trying to reunite with family already in the US.

    There's a good commentary that was put out right before the end of title 42 that really delved in to the complicated situation of immigration and analyzed the CBP data to great extent. It's a pretty fascinating read.

    https://www.wola.org/analysis/end-title-42/
    Add to your points the US fuckery in Central and South America in the decade or more leading up to these surges of migration, particularly Venezuela. Some might call it blowback. Now consider who some of those countries’ governments have aligned with and whether that is being exploited.

    But, build a wall and detention camps and let the mass deportations begin. That’ll solve it.
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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,288
    edited February 29
    tbergs said:
    FiveBelow said:
    Total border encounters over the last 2 administrations per CBP:
    Fiscal Year runs October 1 - September 30
    2017 526,901 2018 683,178 2019 1,148,024 2020 646,822 = 3,004,925
    2021 1,956,519 2022 2,766,582 2023 3,201,144 2024 1,231,213 (7 months remain) = 9,155,458
    Were there any changes in 2021 that could be to blame for the influx we've seen since? If so, who executed them, and would you consider these changes a success given the current situation? You know, for the sake of objectivity and all. I'm glad team blue's newfound border interest has seemingly made their loyalists forget the previous 3+ years of them mocking and downplaying our border issues, but to me this feels more like an attempt to sweep away culpability and grasp for votes than anything else. If that's the case, is anyone truly surprised by how team red is playing this? This is politics after all, the peoples best interests will always take a back seat to the parties. It's fascinating to watch how quickly viewpoints shift when the only change is the politicians so many swoon for changing their tune. The election cycle fuckery has only begun in this two-party joke. The fact team blue isn't willing to admit Biden’s fuck up after 3 years of ignorance, coupled with team red not immediately seizing the opportunity to fund the border says it all. Very serious people indeed, we should all be so proud.


    Data is great, but just throwing out numbers or even just throwing out the totals you did without delving further in to them is really kind of pointless. There is a lot to digest with the border situation and it's maddening when all people do is point at a number without examining what they mean or if data is even being collected in the same way.

    You brought up 2021 as the change, but it really started happening in 2018 and then more so in 2019. The only thing that kept 2020 down is obviously Covid or I'm sure we would have seen it be somewhere a little under what 2021 ended at, which would have also been higher if not for the lingering impacts of Covid in the first quarter of FY21 for the CBP dataset. It doesn't seem title 42 deterred encounters during it's existence, even though I am sure MAGAs are foaming at the mouth and pointing to its end as the reason for increased encounters. That only took effect since May and then June actually saw a decrease before trending up again to higher numbers in August.

    Hell, even the northern border encounters have increased 6x the amount from FY21 (27,000 up to 189,000) so it isn't only the southwest, which is obviously the main focus any time the topic of immigration comes up.

    I think the other issue is that just because there are encounters, doesn't mean it's "thugs" and "rapists". A large percentage of the encounters are still families and minors, but single adult encounters have seen an uptick the past few years as well. A lot of people fleeing shitty situations or trying to reunite with family already in the US.

    There's a good commentary that was put out right before the end of title 42 that really delved in to the complicated situation of immigration and analyzed the CBP data to great extent. It's a pretty fascinating read.

    https://www.wola.org/analysis/end-title-42/
    Providing the CBP data was not just pointing at numbers. They are a data point that can be used to determine timelines as they pertain to this discussion. 3 to 1 is more than just normal trending, we would be foolish to ignore this, as well as the impact executive orders could have played. 2021 marked the administration change, that was not thrown out to celebrate the previous 4 years (which as you said were trending up and would have continued to if not for covid). These increased encounters aren't just unique to the US either, it's interesting that there seems to be a worldwide migration occurring. Obviously the vast majority are not a threat and are seeking an opportunity, I don't think you'll find many people who are against this, but because of this influx it has become much easier for real threats to enter. It is important to remember there are many countries that would love nothing more than creating havoc in the US, this cannot be overlooked and the current situation is their best time to get in. This is a much more complicated situation than has been discussed here, the typical blame the other side for everything just gets old. The numbers that concern me are the 1.7M known getaways (even if 99% were good people fleeing a shitty situation, there are guaranteed threats within this number), the 169 terrorist watch list apprehensions in 2023 alone, the actual gang members, who as you probably know are trapped in a life of doing what they're told (usually not outstanding citizens), and the almost 14 tons of fentanyl that was seized in 2023. These are all legitimate concerns to ALL of us, and as a citizen I'd like to feel like our government is prioritizing these concerns. Right now, they are playing fucking politics. Thanks for the response, I'll definitely read the article you linked.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,810
    It appears Arizona politicians think they've found a way to handle all these border crossings. More freedom to shoot people for just walking across your property if you "feel threatened".

    I'm sure it's frustrating as property owners near the border to have strangers wandering across at all times of day, but this is ridiculous. 

    https://azmirror.com/2024/02/23/republican-bill-would-let-az-ranchers-shoot-and-kill-border-crossers-on-their-property/
    It's a hopeless situation...
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