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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Here’s some surprising numbers. I guess Thomas is even more underrated than I thought. Or maybe Trout isn’t quite the modern day Mickey Mantle people say he is...




    Now put Pujols numbers against both of them and just :bow:
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  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    5 best pitchers I've seen:
    Maddux, Pedro, Clemens, & Randy I think we can all pretty much agree on.  5th I'll go with that dickhead Verlander.
    Star Lake 00 / Pittsburgh 03 / State College 03 / Bristow 03 / Cleveland 06 / Camden II 06 / DC 08 / Pittsburgh 13 / Baltimore 13 / Charlottesville 13 / Cincinnati 14 / St. Paul 14 / Hampton 16 / Wrigley I 16 / Wrigley II 16 / Baltimore 20 / Camden 22 / Baltimore 24 / Raleigh I 25 / Raleigh II 25 / Pittsburgh I 25
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    HesCalledDyer said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Here’s some surprising numbers. I guess Thomas is even more underrated than I thought. Or maybe Trout isn’t quite the modern day Mickey Mantle people say he is...




    Now put Pujols numbers against both of them and just :bow:
    Youre late.  I said add him, bonds and Arod.  It's a nice side by side!
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    The Juggler said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Add Griffey to the list of people that were having great years in '94. He had 40 homeruns in just 111 games. He might have gone on to break Maris' record.
    Matt Williams had 43.  He had a chance too.
    Jesus, that's surprising. I know he had some really good years around that time. But damn. 
    94 was the year that "shit got real". 

    Bagwell could have won the triple crown and had a hell of a chance if 1, the season didn't end and 2, he didn't break his hand and 3, Tony Gwynn floated back down to earth, lol!

    After 94 baseball started to get silly.  Following the 95 season McGwire didn't average less than 50 HR a year for the next 7 on average...
    By "real" you mean fake, right? Because of all the steroids?
    Not gonna lie, I loved the steroid era.  Baseball was electric and brought back from the dead.

    You knew pretty much EVERYONE was doing it and if you didn't know that then shame on you.

    When I saw Dante Bichette on the cover of SI with these friggin guns I knew what I had suspected all along.
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  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,230
    edited April 2020
    ^^^No doubt quite a few of us probably knew what was going on^^^. My friend and I use to laugh at the talking heads on TV and reporters were saying the Balls must be juiced. We were like: "The balls are juiced?" HAHHAHA The PLAYERS are JUICED !!"". A lot of  those players are around my age and we knew about steroids in HS.
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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,590
    I'll take pre steroid era baseball over the inflated nonsense of the 90's and early 2000's any day of the week. 

    Yeah it was cool watching Mcgwire and Sosa go at it in '98....but in the back of my head I was thinking, even during that time, that there should be an asterisk next to the record. It didn't seem totally legit. And then things just got silly after that and the record was distorted even further. 
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  • cutz
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    https://www.thescore.com/mlb/news/1970816


    Watch: Benches clear in Taiwanese league game
    33m ago
    Gene Wang / Getty Images Sport / Getty
    TAOYUAN TAIWAN - APRIL 19 Pitcher Henry Sosa 44 of Fubon Guardians argue with team Rakuten Monkeys players at the bottom of the 4 inning during the CPBL game between Rakuten Monkeys and Fubon Guardians at Taoyuan International Baseball Stadium on April 19 2020 in Taoyuan Taiwan

    The Chinese Professional Baseball League returned to action this week after COVID-19 delayed the start of its regular season, and there has already been a benches-clearing incident.




    So much for social distancing.

    In Sunday's contest between the Rakuten Monkeys and Fubon Guardians, Guardians right-hander Henry Sosa hit Monkeys infielder Kuo Yen-Wen with a pitch inside, and both benches quickly emptied onto the field. Sosa had been working the hitter inside the entire at-bat, reaching a 3-0 count that caused a brief discussion with the home plate umpire. Sosa then hit him with the next pitch, and pandemonium ensued.

    Because of the global pandemic, games are being played without fans in attendance, though cardboard cutouts can be seen in the stands.

    After things settled down, the Monkeys went on to win Saturday's game 3-1.

  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    How about that lame punishment for the Red Sox?
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    tbergs said:
    How about that lame punishment for the Red Sox?
    You mean the strohs?
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,401
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    tbergs said:
    How about that lame punishment for the Red Sox?
    You mean the strohs?
    Yeah, we already discussed that. That one was terrible.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    tbergs said:
    How about that lame punishment for the Red Sox?
    I'm just glad that both teams now know their punishments and my hope is that we can move on from this eventually. It just sucks for baseball and its fans.
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    Can we put out a list of HOFers that shouldn't be there?

    I question Joe Dimaggio, yeah I'm prepared for this one.
    Kirby Puckett
    Ted Simmons
    Ron Santo
    Allan Trammel
    And pretty much anyone the veterans committee puts in.

    I loved Larry Walker but yeah, him too.

  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    I agree with Santo on the field, but his post career work should be accounted for. 

    Kirby was going to get 3000 hits easily and was a stud in the postseason.

    Simmons was one of the very best offensive catchers in his time. Would’ve made more sense if he was inducted when great offensive catchers weren’t as common. 


    Maybe I’m missing something with Trammel but I really don’t see how he’s in. 

    With you on Larry Walker but people don’t remember how good he was. 


    I’ll go Dawson. Bit of a compiler.





  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    DewieCox said:
    I agree with Santo on the field, but his post career work should be accounted for. 

    Kirby was going to get 3000 hits easily and was a stud in the postseason.

    Simmons was one of the very best offensive catchers in his time. Would’ve made more sense if he was inducted when great offensive catchers weren’t as common. 


    Maybe I’m missing something with Trammel but I really don’t see how he’s in. 

    With you on Larry Walker but people don’t remember how good he was. 


    I’ll go Dawson. Bit of a compiler.





    Santo got in as a player though.

    With Puckett, if it wasn't for his 2 rings then no way he gets in.

    I agree w the Hawk.  It's ok to compile, that's what you do but you also have to be great for 10 years at least.

    Jim Rice is another one.
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    Yeah, I realize that is technically true but no way he gets in without being the most lovable loser post career.

    Puckett would’ve been a lock without the forced retirement, whether he had rings or not.
  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    DewieCox said:
    Yeah, I realize that is technically true but no way he gets in without being the most lovable loser post career.

    Puckett would’ve been a lock without the forced retirement, whether he had rings or not.
    You can use that argument for Puckett the same way you can for Matingly...
  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    You could and e he’s still not HoF. Puckett played 2 fewer years and had 200 more hits and his career stopped  dead in its tracks and he balled out en route to 2 rings. 
  • SPEEDY MCCREADY
    SPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 26,834

    Puckett?

    1st ballot HOF in my opinion.

    318 career batting avg. Again, .318 CAREER BATTING AVG.

    4 times led the league in hits.

    Won a batting title.

    On top of his post season accomplishments.



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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,359
    DewieCox said:
    You could and e he’s still not HoF. Puckett played 2 fewer years and had 200 more hits and his career stopped  dead in its tracks and he balled out en route to 2 rings. 
    SPEEDY MCCREADY said:

    Puckett?

    1st ballot HOF in my opinion.

    318 career batting avg. Again, .318 CAREER BATTING AVG.

    4 times led the league in hits.

    Won a batting title.

    On top of his post season accomplishments.



    Mind you I don't think Mattingly should be in either but here are the comparisons.

    Kirby Puckett

    War 51.1  Games 785 AB 7244 H 2344 HR 207 BA .318 2B 414 3B 57 R 1071 RBI 1085 BB 450 SO 965 Gold Gloves 5 MVP 0

    Don Mattingly

    War 42.4 Games 783 AB 7003 H 2153 HR 222 BA .307 2B 442 3B 20 R 1007  RBI 1099 BB 588 SO 444 Golden Gloves 9 MVP 1

    If you can't see how close their numbers are and how they should be mentioned in the same breath then I don't know what else to say...


  • HesCalledDyer
    HesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,491
    tempo_n_groove said:
    Can we put out a list of HOFers that shouldn't be there?

    I question Joe Dimaggio, yeah I'm prepared for this one.
    Kirby Puckett
    Ted Simmons
    Ron Santo
    Allan Trammel
    And pretty much anyone the veterans committee puts in.

    I loved Larry Walker but yeah, him too.

    Harold fucking Baines.  What. The. Actual. Fuck?????

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