MLB 2025 Season

Cliffy6745

The Fixer wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Brewers are all in. Pretty solid rotation. Should be able to take care of business in the central. If not, Greinke will be available again in about 7 months.

I still think the reds are the team to beat there.

I hope so. I would not mind seeing Greinke available again mid season. Brewers have a pretty solid rotation though.

Cliffy6745

The Fixer wrote:

watch out for the royals in 2-3 years. their farm system is absolutely loaded

Dude from Baseball Prospectus says it's the best farm system he has ever seen.

Johnny Abruzzo

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

watch out for the royals in 2-3 years. their farm system is absolutely loaded

Dude from Baseball Prospectus says it's the best farm system he has ever seen.

I haven't really looked at it. Did they get a good haul for Greinke?

I read the Posnanski article about him this week. He thinks he needs a high-pressure situation, quite the opposite of what everyone says.

The Fixer

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

The Fixer wrote:

watch out for the royals in 2-3 years. their farm system is absolutely loaded

Dude from Baseball Prospectus says it's the best farm system he has ever seen.

I haven't really looked at it. Did they get a good haul for Greinke?

I read the Posnanski article about him this week. He thinks he needs a high-pressure situation, quite the opposite of what everyone says.

I will have to check out the posnanski article. I think he is great. I am no expert, but I agree with that opinion. greinke's problem in the past is that he has gotten bored. An atmosphere like NY would do him well.

I love everything about baseball. the mental aspect is unmatched in other sports

yeah, KC got some nice prospects. jeffress has been busted for weed 3 times already, but he throws 100 mph. he's a future closer if he lays off the green

FearTheBeard

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

I like what the Pad's are doing. Giants are such a fluke it's not even funny - Rox or Pads take that division this year.

I gotta love a fluke that whoops your ass in the NLCS!
The Giants have the division easy, it's called pitching! Starting and a bullpen!
The Rox may be the only competition in the NL West. The Madres are shit!

The Juggler

ucsbflipflop wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

I like what the Pad's are doing. Giants are such a fluke it's not even funny - Rox or Pads take that division this year.

I gotta love a fluke that whoops your ass in the NLCS!
The Giants have the division easy, it's called pitching! Starting and a bullpen!
The Rox may be the only competition in the NL West. The Madres are shit!

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conan needs to do a character based on this guy

FearTheBeard

The Jeagler wrote:

ucsbflipflop wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

I like what the Pad's are doing. Giants are such a fluke it's not even funny - Rox or Pads take that division this year.

I gotta love a fluke that whoops your ass in the NLCS!
The Giants have the division easy, it's called pitching! Starting and a bullpen!
The Rox may be the only competition in the NL West. The Madres are shit!

exclamation point!
emoticon!
repeat!
repeat!

conan needs to do a character based on this guy

I have been told that I look like Conan with the floppy hair and the pasty skin color

The Juggler

ucsbflipflop wrote:

The Jeagler wrote:

ucsbflipflop wrote:

exclamation point!
emoticon!
repeat!
repeat!

conan needs to do a character based on this guy

I have been told that I look like Conan with the floppy hair and the pasty skin color

you look like the pj stick figure dude.

eeriepadave

So Zack Grienke and Betancourt to the Brewers. Good move for them.

Johnny Abruzzo

eeriepadave wrote:

So Zack Grienke and Betancourt to the Brewers. Good move for them.

Well, the Greinke part, yes. Betancourt is one of the worst players in baseball - they just took some of the salary off the Royals' hands.

The Fixer

Johnny Abruzzo wrote:

eeriepadave wrote:

So Zack Grienke and Betancourt to the Brewers. Good move for them.

Well, the Greinke part, yes. Betancourt is one of the worst players in baseball - they just took some of the salary off the Royals' hands.

yeah, royals get rid of betancourt but gain francoeur. at best that's a push.

Wobbie

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

I like what the Pad's are doing. Giants are such a fluke it's not even funny - Rox or Pads take that division this year.

you're kidding, right? :wtf:
if any team was a fluke, it was the pads. and now, gonzales is gone...

Jearlpam0925

imalive wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

I like what the Pad's are doing. Giants are such a fluke it's not even funny - Rox or Pads take that division this year.

you're kidding, right? :wtf:
if any team was a fluke, it was the pads. and now, gonzales is gone...

And they didn't win because of Gonzalez. They won because of their pitching, and they improved at short and second immensely. They bettered the whole of their team by bringing in Hudson and Bartlett.

FearTheBeard

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

imalive wrote:

Jearlpam0925 wrote:

I like what the Pad's are doing. Giants are such a fluke it's not even funny - Rox or Pads take that division this year.

you're kidding, right? :wtf:
if any team was a fluke, it was the pads. and now, gonzales is gone...

And they didn't win because of Gonzalez. They won because of their pitching, and they improved at short and second immensely. They bettered the whole of their team by bringing in Hudson and Bartlett.

I do not think they really won with their pitching either. Most of those guys were middle relief guys moved up to starters. I think there is something to be said about a pitching staff that most teams have never seen or rarely seen, similar to Madison Bumgarner in the playoffs. Their ace Chris Young was out all year and they won a ton of one run ball games. Heath Bell is still a bad ass though. Too bad Boston did not get him too!

The Juggler

buster olney's top 10 rotations in baseball:

1. Philadelphia Phillies



Combine the 2010 results for Roy Halladay, Cole Hamels, Roy Oswalt and Cliff Lee, and this is what you get:



Games: 126
Innings: 883.1
Hits: 773
Earned runs: 279
Walks (and this is the most incredible number): 164
Strikeouts: 808
Earned run average: 2.84
Average innings per start: About 7



Those statistics are very, very special.



2. San Francisco Giants



The Giants posted the third-best ERA for any rotation in the majors, and then dominated in the postseason -- and here's something scary to think about: the Giants might actually be better in 2011. Tim Lincecum really seemed to learn from his adversity in August, working harder on his conditioning and adding a slider, and Madison Bumgarner showed his upside in the World Series. The concerns would be Jonathan Sanchez, who seemed to get very tired late last season, and Barry Zito, who posted a 4.70 ERA after the All-Star break.



3. Oakland Athletics



They very quietly posted the best starters' ERA in the majors last year, at 3.47, because of the incredible progression of Trevor Cahill and the excellence of Brett Anderson (when he wasn't dealing with injuries). Gio Gonzalez posted a 3.23 ERA in 33 starts, and Dallas Braden managed a 3.50 ERA in 30 starts. So long as Cahill and Anderson are healthy and productive, this will be a very tough group, with Brandon McCarthy or Rich Harden or somebody else working in the No. 5 spot.



4. Tampa Bay Rays



Look, the Rays lost a bunch of guys in their everyday lineup and in their bullpen, and they may lose ground in the standings -- but their rotation should be excellent, with the developing Wade Davis, Jeff Niemann and Jeremy Hellickson wrapped around David Price, Matt Garza and James Shields. Now, it would appear very possible that the Rays deal Garza before the July 31 trade deadline, and Shields is a key, coming off a season in which he really struggled in the second half; his ERA was a whopping 5.59, and he just seemed to have no idea how to fix what ailed him.



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Jon Lester and Clay Buchholz have become the more reliable starters for the Boston Red Sox.

5. Boston Red Sox



John Lackey and Josh Beckett were major disappointments for the Red Sox last season. But Clay Buchholz climbed into the elite tier of starters in the majors -- and Jon Lester was already there. Boston needs bounce-back seasons from Lackey and Beckett, not only in 2011, but in the years that follow, because the Red Sox have invested big dollars in both.



6. Milwaukee Brewers



Yovani Gallardo is 24 years old, has the stuff to be a frontline starter and could benefit from playing for a contender, and Randy Wolf had a decent first season with the Brewers. And now you add Shaun Marcum, who was a good pitcher in the AL East and should be able to take advantage of the NL lineups, and Zack Greinke, who might have as much pure talent as any pitcher in the majors not named Felix Hernandez. It could be a special group.



7. Detroit Tigers



Justin Verlander is one of the best and is in his prime, going 18-9 with a 3.37 ERA and 219 strikeouts in 224.1 innings last year, and Max Scherzer seemed to grow last year. In the same way, Rick Porcello overcame a horrendous start to pitch better down the stretch after he learned something about diagnosing his own mechanics pitch to pitch and inning to inning; Porcello, who turns 22 in a few days, lowered his ERA from 6.14 at the All-Star break to 4.00 in the second half. Phil Coke is expected to man one of the spots at the back end of the rotation.



8a. Atlanta Braves



Tim Hudson was a Cy Young candidate until a September fade, Derek Lowe was one of the majors' best pitchers down the stretch, Tommy Hanson was much better than his 10-11 win-loss record would indicate and the Braves would have reasonable hope that Jair Jurrjens -- crushed by injuries in 2010 -- will be better next summer.



8b. St. Louis Cardinals



Jaime Garcia was the front-runner for the NL Rookie of the Year for a lot of the season, and he will slot in third or fourth in this rotation, behind Adam Wainwright and Chris Carpenter and perhaps ahead of Jake Westbrook. The key to this group is Carpenter, who faded down the stretch. If this was just a blip, rather than an indicator of things to come for Carpenter, who turns 36 in April, then St. Louis will have one of the best rotations in the majors.



10a. Los Angeles Dodgers



By the second half of last season, Clayton Kershaw achieved the kind of dominance projected for him when he was in the minors; Kershaw held opponents to a .179 average in September. The Dodgers have a good group behind Kershaw, with Ted Lilly (who had a 3.52 ERA in 12 starts for L.A. in 2010), the underrated Hiroki Kuroda, Chad Billingsley and Jon Garland.



10b. Chicago White Sox



They've got a nice core of John Danks, Gavin Floyd, Mark Buehrle and Edwin Jackson, but the simple fact is that they have no idea what to expect out of Jake Peavy, who went 7-6 with a 4.63 ERA. If Peavy bounces back, this could be an excellent rotation.

Cliffy6745

Would love for the Yankees to get their hands on one of the Oakland starters, especially Cahill.

I have a slight problem with St Louis being 8

The Juggler

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Would love for the Yankees to get their hands on one of the Oakland starters, especially Cahill.

I have a slight problem with St Louis being 8

8b, no less. i'd put them higher too.

Wobbie

^^^^^^ where are the yankees???? :?

Cliffy6745

imalive wrote:

^^^^^^ where are the yankees???? :?

Hey now. As of right now low, with Pettitte, much better.

The Fixer

Cliffy6745 wrote:

Would love for the Yankees to get their hands on one of the Oakland starters, especially Cahill.

I have a slight problem with St Louis being 8

cahill and anderson are both studs.

can't wait for baseball