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Poncier

Koufax is in based what he could have done?
Now I know you're just fucking with me.

igotid88

Poncier said:

Koufax is in based what he could have done?
Now I know you're just fucking with me.

So it's okay to count his 12 years but not Mattingly's?

Poncier

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

Koufax is in based what he could have done?
Now I know you're just fucking with me.

So it's okay to count his 12 years but not Mattingly's?

I assume you are aware of the way Koufax dominated from 62-66. If Mattingly had an equivalent stretch for a hitter, he'd be in. He didn't.
A stretch like that for a hitter would require like 5 years straight of triple crown contention and multiple MVPs.

And also, Koufax' 2 World Series MVP awards do add to his candidacy.

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I'd put JR Richard, Mo Vaugh, Prince Fielder, Don Mattingly, Jose Fernandez, Thurman Munson, Bo Jackson all go on the "What If list".

Am I forgetting anybody?

Tommy John, Tony Conigliaro

Tommy John is in the HOF...

Edit: Mixed him up with Don Sutton!  Sorry!!!

Poncier

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I'd put JR Richard, Mo Vaugh, Prince Fielder, Don Mattingly, Jose Fernandez, Thurman Munson, Bo Jackson all go on the "What If list".

Am I forgetting anybody?

Tommy John, Tony Conigliaro

Tommy John is in the HOF...

The surgery Hall of Fame maybe, but he's not in Cooperstown.

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I'd put JR Richard, Mo Vaugh, Prince Fielder, Don Mattingly, Jose Fernandez, Thurman Munson, Bo Jackson all go on the "What If list".

Am I forgetting anybody?

Tommy John, Tony Conigliaro

Tommy John is in the HOF...

The surgery Hall of Fame maybe, but he's not in Cooperstown.

Nope, you are correct.  I edited my statement.  I mixed him up with Sutton.

tempo_n_groove

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I'd put JR Richard, Mo Vaugh, Prince Fielder, Don Mattingly, Jose Fernandez, Thurman Munson, Bo Jackson all go on the "What If list".

Am I forgetting anybody?

Tommy John, Tony Conigliaro

Tommy John is in the HOF...

The surgery Hall of Fame maybe, but he's not in Cooperstown.

Conigliaro was another good one.  I forgot about him!.

igotid88

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

Koufax is in based what he could have done?
Now I know you're just fucking with me.

So it's okay to count his 12 years but not Mattingly's?

I assume you are aware of the way Koufax dominated from 62-66. If Mattingly had an equivalent stretch for a hitter, he'd be in. He didn't.
A stretch like that for a hitter would require like 5 years straight of triple crown contention and multiple MVPs.

And also, Koufax' 2 World Series MVP awards do add to his candidacy.

Mattingly had at least 4 maybe 5. He should have won the MVP a 2nd year in a row. Especially as it was better than his MVP year. But it was given to Clemens. And Koufax played at a time when first place was all you needed to be in the World Series. I'm not arguing against Koufax. 

tempo_n_groove

igotid88 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I'd put JR Richard, Mo Vaugh, Prince Fielder, Don Mattingly, Jose Fernandez, Thurman Munson, Bo Jackson all go on the "What If list".

Am I forgetting anybody?

I don't know about Bo. He was more of a hr guy. But he wasn't a good hitter. 

He only had like 2 years to do anything so who knows...  Bo knows though!

tempo_n_groove

The last great spitballer passed.  RIP Gaylord Perry.

igotid88

tempo_n_groove said:

igotid88 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I'd put JR Richard, Mo Vaugh, Prince Fielder, Don Mattingly, Jose Fernandez, Thurman Munson, Bo Jackson all go on the "What If list".

Am I forgetting anybody?

I don't know about Bo. He was more of a hr guy. But he wasn't a good hitter. 

He only had like 2 years to do anything so who knows...  Bo knows though!

He played 8 seasons. Mostly 6. But enough to know what type of player he was. I mean he was a highlight. 

Ledbetterman10

If Bo had a full career, I'd estimate that he'd finish with 400 homeruns, and 1,324,200 strike outs (or thereabouts). 

tempo_n_groove

igotid88 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

igotid88 said:

tempo_n_groove said:

I'd put JR Richard, Mo Vaugh, Prince Fielder, Don Mattingly, Jose Fernandez, Thurman Munson, Bo Jackson all go on the "What If list".

Am I forgetting anybody?

I don't know about Bo. He was more of a hr guy. But he wasn't a good hitter. 

He only had like 2 years to do anything so who knows...  Bo knows though!

He played 8 seasons. Mostly 6. But enough to know what type of player he was. I mean he was a highlight. 

5 before he got hurt.  His last year was a big improvement average wise though.  He also never came close to playing a full year so there is another reason for the whatif's? The last 3 years he was beyond his abilities.

Ultimately a good hitter he wouldn't be but a 25-35 HR hitter every year w solid defense, sure.

tempo_n_groove

Ledbetterman10 said:

If Bo had a full career, I'd estimate that he'd finish with 400 homeruns, and 1,324,200 strike outs (or thereabouts). 

That's fair, I think you're low on the K's though.

Ledbetterman10

tempo_n_groove said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

If Bo had a full career, I'd estimate that he'd finish with 400 homeruns, and 1,324,200 strike outs (or thereabouts). 

That's fair, I think you're low on the K's though.

He'd probably end up with more bats broken over his knee that he would walks. 

Poncier

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

Koufax is in based what he could have done?
Now I know you're just fucking with me.

So it's okay to count his 12 years but not Mattingly's?

I assume you are aware of the way Koufax dominated from 62-66. If Mattingly had an equivalent stretch for a hitter, he'd be in. He didn't.
A stretch like that for a hitter would require like 5 years straight of triple crown contention and multiple MVPs.

And also, Koufax' 2 World Series MVP awards do add to his candidacy.

Mattingly had at least 4 maybe 5. He should have won the MVP a 2nd year in a row. Especially as it was better than his MVP year. But it was given to Clemens. 

The Juggler

We're comparing Mattingly to Sandy Koufax now?

F Me In The Brain

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

igotid88 said:

Poncier said:

Koufax is in based what he could have done?
Now I know you're just fucking with me.

So it's okay to count his 12 years but not Mattingly's?

I assume you are aware of the way Koufax dominated from 62-66. If Mattingly had an equivalent stretch for a hitter, he'd be in. He didn't.
A stretch like that for a hitter would require like 5 years straight of triple crown contention and multiple MVPs.

And also, Koufax' 2 World Series MVP awards do add to his candidacy.

Mattingly had at least 4 maybe 5. He should have won the MVP a 2nd year in a row. Especially as it was better than his MVP year. But it was given to Clemens. 

   

igotid88

It's not okay to bring up the injury but it is okay make people assume he just lost his hr power out of nowhere? 
It's like a runner who's winning halfway through the race then brakes his leg and then you say he sucked at the end.

igotid88

The Juggler said:

We're comparing Mattingly to Sandy Koufax now?

Koufax had 6 average years and 6 good to great years. Pretty much like Mattingly. Only Sandy was able to finish strong. Whereas Mattingly, according to you guys because "lack of talent" and not back issues was not.