MLB 2025 Off season

HesCalledDyer

Cliffy6745 said:

10 means the guy who started the inning gets a second at bat, right?  That's the correct answer haha.

So around the clock means the little hand is on the 1? That makes no sense.

markymark550

HesCalledDyer said:

There was a poll on reddit regarding some baseball arguments which have no consensus answer.  One of the questions was about the term batting "around the order" and whether it means 9 batters bat or 10 batters bat.  About 2/3 of the responses were in favor or 10 batters.  I'm in the 1/3 minority that believes batting around is 9 batters.  If something happens "around the clock," that means 24 hours, not 25.  What's everyone here think?

Around gives the connotation of a circle. You don't come full circle or complete the loop until you get back to the beginning. Thus, imo, the answer is 10.

HesCalledDyer

But you do get back to the beginning because that would be the first guy up next inning if batter 9 makes the final out of the inning.  There's no one in between the 9th an 1st batter creating a gap.

markymark550

If the lead off guy doesn't bat again, you don't get back to the beginning. 

F Me In The Brain

I vote for 10 but it is an interesting discussion....

HesCalledDyer

markymark550 said:

If the lead off guy doesn't bat again, you don't get back to the beginning. 

Yes you do, he's the first guy up next inning if the final out is during batter 9.

HesCalledDyer

A batting order isn't 10 people, guys.  Come on.

igotid88

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Cliffy6745

You went all the way around and are starting over again in the same inning.  Boom.

tempo_n_groove

This whole conversation made me do a complete 360 and completed a half flip...

Batting around is 10 batters.

HesCalledDyer

None of that make any logical sense. "The batting order" is 9 guys. if all 9 complete a plate appearance, regardless of outcome of the 9th guy, that is batting around "the order."

HesCalledDyer

Why is everyone stuck on the first guy having to bat twice?  If I work "around the clock," I don't work the noon hour again when it comes back around.

HesCalledDyer

Anyway, agree to disagree on that one.  Only one person I've asked so far agrees that 9 is correct (he played collegiate baseball, but so did another friend and he says 10).  There is no correct answer as it isn't defined by MLB, but the consensus is 10.  I'll live with that and know in my head that any logical reasoning leads to 9.

Another question was - and I forget how exactly it was worded but - when a batter faces a defensive shift, does he "beat the shift" when a) he hits it to the open side or b) he hits is thru the stacked side or c) either.  I say either on this one.  No matter where you hit the ball, you've overcome their defensive strategy  designed to get you out. Obviously things like walks, hit by pitch, & not completing the strikeout don't count as beating the shift; the ball should be put in play.

DewieCox

F Me In The Brain said:

I vote for 10 but it is an interesting discussion....

But is it really?

F Me In The Brain

DewieCox said:

F Me In The Brain said:

I vote for 10 but it is an interesting discussion....

But is it really?

  To me, it is.

mrussel1

So Yankees fans.. is there a Trevor Bauer for Frazier and German deal to be had this month?

Cliffy6745

mrussel1 said:

So Yankees fans.. is there a Trevor Bauer for Frazier and German deal to be had this month?

Frazier and German seems a bit rich to me.  I'd think you can get one of them plus a good prospect and a young prospect.  I'd be surprised to see them put German in that deal.

What do you think?  Are they really going to trade their best pitcher when they have a realistic shot at the playoffs?

mrussel1

Cliffy6745 said:

mrussel1 said:

So Yankees fans.. is there a Trevor Bauer for Frazier and German deal to be had this month?

Frazier and German seems a bit rich to me.  I'd think you can get one of them plus a good prospect and a young prospect.  I'd be surprised to see them put German in that deal.

What do you think?  Are they really going to trade their best pitcher when they have a realistic shot at the playoffs?

He's not necessarily our ace.  Our staff is really strong right now, and that's even without Kluber and Carrasco.  I expect Kluber back soon, but Carrasco I fear is out for the year.  The bullpen has been solid, anchored by Hand.  Team is 3rd in the AL in ERA. 

It's no secret that Bauer is not resigning in Cleveland.  We still have a year of control after this, so if we want two big league players, now is the time to do it.  I'm not sure that they move Bauer for a young, but good player like Frazier and a prospect.  I think it would need to be someone a bit more proven.  Leverage goes down next year.  We definitely need an outfielder and I think it's important to have someone to slot into the rotation (like German) if Klub and Cookie aren't in the mix.  

The Tribe is in a weird spot where we have enough talent to win, but it feels like not quite enough to get by Houston or the Yanks.  So I think they have to figure out how walk that tightrope.  

igotid88

mrussel1 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mrussel1 said:

So Yankees fans.. is there a Trevor Bauer for Frazier and German deal to be had this month?

Frazier and German seems a bit rich to me.  I'd think you can get one of them plus a good prospect and a young prospect.  I'd be surprised to see them put German in that deal.

What do you think?  Are they really going to trade their best pitcher when they have a realistic shot at the playoffs?

He's not necessarily our ace.  Our staff is really strong right now, and that's even without Kluber and Carrasco.  I expect Kluber back soon, but Carrasco I fear is out for the year.  The bullpen has been solid, anchored by Hand.  Team is 3rd in the AL in ERA. 

It's no secret that Bauer is not resigning in Cleveland.  We still have a year of control after this, so if we want two big league players, now is the time to do it.  I'm not sure that they move Bauer for a young, but good player like Frazier and a prospect.  I think it would need to be someone a bit more proven.  Leverage goes down next year.  We definitely need an outfielder and I think it's important to have someone to slot into the rotation (like German) if Klub and Cookie aren't in the mix.  

The Tribe is in a weird spot where we have enough talent to win, but it feels like not quite enough to get by Houston or the Yanks.  So I think they have to figure out how walk that tightrope.  

Yankees don't need to make a trade for a guy with an expiring contract. 

Cliffy6745

mrussel1 said:

Cliffy6745 said:

mrussel1 said:

So Yankees fans.. is there a Trevor Bauer for Frazier and German deal to be had this month?

Frazier and German seems a bit rich to me.  I'd think you can get one of them plus a good prospect and a young prospect.  I'd be surprised to see them put German in that deal.

What do you think?  Are they really going to trade their best pitcher when they have a realistic shot at the playoffs?

He's not necessarily our ace.  Our staff is really strong right now, and that's even without Kluber and Carrasco.  I expect Kluber back soon, but Carrasco I fear is out for the year.  The bullpen has been solid, anchored by Hand.  Team is 3rd in the AL in ERA. 

It's no secret that Bauer is not resigning in Cleveland.  We still have a year of control after this, so if we want two big league players, now is the time to do it.  I'm not sure that they move Bauer for a young, but good player like Frazier and a prospect.  I think it would need to be someone a bit more proven.  Leverage goes down next year.  We definitely need an outfielder and I think it's important to have someone to slot into the rotation (like German) if Klub and Cookie aren't in the mix.  

The Tribe is in a weird spot where we have enough talent to win, but it feels like not quite enough to get by Houston or the Yanks.  So I think they have to figure out how walk that tightrope.  

German with a nice outing tonight. I really don’t see them trading him but who knows. His flaw was control and he seems to have fixed it. Bauer is good but I don’t se the point in that trade if you are giving up that important of a piece on your big league team.  I’d be curious to see who they’d pull the trigger on, German or the Garcia kid since the goal is winning this year. The extra year helps for sure, I just have a tough time seeing them give up something like 8-9 years of Frazier and German for 1.5 of Bauer 

Kluber was having a bit of a down year when he got hurt though, right?