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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,042
    So far --- Ryan is at 50 on his list and Pujols 23.
    It is one man's list - we would all argue over any list.  (Part of the fun, right?  My big beef is KGJr at 48)

    No. 100: Ichiro Suzuki
    No. 99: Mike Mussina
    No. 98: Carlos Beltrán
    No. 97: Roberto Alomar
    No. 96: Larry Walker
    No. 95: Tony Gwynn
    No. 94: Roy Campanella
    No. 93: Ozzie Smith
    No. 92: Bullet Rogan
    No. 91: Mariano Rivera
    No. 90: Max Scherzer
    No. 89: Mike Piazza
    No. 88: Curt Schilling
    No. 87: Charlie Gehringer
    No. 86: Gary Carter
    No. 85: Sadaharu Oh
    No. 84: Cool Papa Bell
    No. 83: Phil Niekro
    No. 82: Kid Nichols
    No. 81: Ferguson Jenkins
    No. 80: Carlton Fisk
    No. 79: Derek Jeter
    No. 78: Clayton Kershaw
    No. 77: Miguel Cabrera
    No. 76: Willie McCovey
    No. 75: Justin Verlander
    No. 74: Frank Thomas
    No. 73: Brooks Robinson
    No. 72: Robin Roberts
    No. 71: Bert Blyleven
    No. 70: Sandy Koufax
    No. 69: Monte Irvin
    No. 68: Gaylord Perry
    No. 67: Hank Greenberg
    No. 66: Robin Yount
    No. 65: Ernie Banks
    No. 64: Johnny Mize
    No. 63: Steve Carlton
    No. 62: Smokey Joe Williams
    No. 61: Arky Vaughan
    No. 60: Pete Rose
    No. 59: Reggie Jackson
    No. 58: Jeff Bagwell
    No. 57: Rod Carew
    No. 56: Joe DiMaggio
    No. 55: Bob Feller
    No. 54: Chipper Jones
    No. 53: Buck Leonard
    No. 52: Adrián Beltré
    No. 51: Al Kaline
    No. 50: Nolan Ryan
    No. 49: Warren Spahn
    No. 48: Ken Griffey Jr.
    No. 47: Wade Boggs
    No. 46: Eddie Mathews
    No. 45: Bob Gibson
    No. 44: Cal Ripken Jr.
    No. 43: Yogi Berra
    No. 42: Jackie Robinson
    No. 41: Tom Seaver
    No. 40: Roberto Clemente
    No. 39: Nap Lajoie
    No. 38: Carl Yastrzemski
    No. 37: Pedro Martínez
    No. 36: Christy Mathewson
    No. 35: George Brett
    No. 34: Cy Young
    No. 33: Jimmie Foxx
    No. 32: Mel Ott
    No. 31: Greg Maddux
    No. 30: Johnny Bench
    No. 29: Eddie Collins
    No. 28: Randy Johnson
    No. 27: Mike Trout
    No. 26: Grover Cleveland Alexander
    No. 25: Pop Lloyd
    No. 24: Rickey Henderson
    No. 23: Albert Pujols
    No. 22: Lefty Grove
    No. 21: Joe Morgan
    No. 20: Frank Robinson
    No. 20 (tie): Mike Schmidt
    No. 18: Tris Speaker
    No. 17: Rogers Hornsby
    No. 16: Alex Rodriguez
    No. 15: Josh Gibson


    If he doesn't include Sadharu Oh then he's a fraud.

    What if he put him at 85?
    ;)
    :lol::
  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,928
    Wobbie said:
    some trout rookie chrome/platinum/refractor/whatever card sold in an auction last week for $147k.

    BTW, penmanship is dead. :angry:
    2009 orange refractor.

    The whole card world knows, lol.

    For penmanship look at Luis Severino's sig.  He has a beautiful auto.
    Always liked The Hawk's signature:

    I just pulled a card with his auto, yes it is nice.

    For the record, Greg Maddux has the worst sig ever.
    I thought that honor belonged to Mike McCready. 
    ;)
    This weekend we rock Portland
  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,196
    Right now standing outside the Nationals vs Yankees spring training game in West Palm Beach. Fans seem enthusiastic about the game while taking maximum precautions as far as the virus is concerned. 

    I'm not sure if I want to in. ITS DA YANKEES. Not much interest in seeing them hoping the Sox game on Saturday is still going to played.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    So far --- Ryan is at 50 on his list and Pujols 23.
    It is one man's list - we would all argue over any list.  (Part of the fun, right?  My big beef is KGJr at 48)

    No. 100: Ichiro Suzuki
    No. 99: Mike Mussina
    No. 98: Carlos Beltrán
    No. 97: Roberto Alomar
    No. 96: Larry Walker
    No. 95: Tony Gwynn
    No. 94: Roy Campanella
    No. 93: Ozzie Smith
    No. 92: Bullet Rogan
    No. 91: Mariano Rivera
    No. 90: Max Scherzer
    No. 89: Mike Piazza
    No. 88: Curt Schilling
    No. 87: Charlie Gehringer
    No. 86: Gary Carter
    No. 85: Sadaharu Oh
    No. 84: Cool Papa Bell
    No. 83: Phil Niekro
    No. 82: Kid Nichols
    No. 81: Ferguson Jenkins
    No. 80: Carlton Fisk
    No. 79: Derek Jeter
    No. 78: Clayton Kershaw
    No. 77: Miguel Cabrera
    No. 76: Willie McCovey
    No. 75: Justin Verlander
    No. 74: Frank Thomas
    No. 73: Brooks Robinson
    No. 72: Robin Roberts
    No. 71: Bert Blyleven
    No. 70: Sandy Koufax
    No. 69: Monte Irvin
    No. 68: Gaylord Perry
    No. 67: Hank Greenberg
    No. 66: Robin Yount
    No. 65: Ernie Banks
    No. 64: Johnny Mize
    No. 63: Steve Carlton
    No. 62: Smokey Joe Williams
    No. 61: Arky Vaughan
    No. 60: Pete Rose
    No. 59: Reggie Jackson
    No. 58: Jeff Bagwell
    No. 57: Rod Carew
    No. 56: Joe DiMaggio
    No. 55: Bob Feller
    No. 54: Chipper Jones
    No. 53: Buck Leonard
    No. 52: Adrián Beltré
    No. 51: Al Kaline
    No. 50: Nolan Ryan
    No. 49: Warren Spahn
    No. 48: Ken Griffey Jr.
    No. 47: Wade Boggs
    No. 46: Eddie Mathews
    No. 45: Bob Gibson
    No. 44: Cal Ripken Jr.
    No. 43: Yogi Berra
    No. 42: Jackie Robinson
    No. 41: Tom Seaver
    No. 40: Roberto Clemente
    No. 39: Nap Lajoie
    No. 38: Carl Yastrzemski
    No. 37: Pedro Martínez
    No. 36: Christy Mathewson
    No. 35: George Brett
    No. 34: Cy Young
    No. 33: Jimmie Foxx
    No. 32: Mel Ott
    No. 31: Greg Maddux
    No. 30: Johnny Bench
    No. 29: Eddie Collins
    No. 28: Randy Johnson
    No. 27: Mike Trout
    No. 26: Grover Cleveland Alexander
    No. 25: Pop Lloyd
    No. 24: Rickey Henderson
    No. 23: Albert Pujols
    No. 22: Lefty Grove
    No. 21: Joe Morgan
    No. 20: Frank Robinson
    No. 20 (tie): Mike Schmidt
    No. 18: Tris Speaker
    No. 17: Rogers Hornsby
    No. 16: Alex Rodriguez
    No. 15: Josh Gibson


    If he doesn't include Sadharu Oh then he's a fraud.

    What if he put him at 85?
    ;)
    Then I approve this list!
  • g under pg under p Posts: 18,196
    I decided to come into the game cause outside many were saying THIS  will be the LAST spring training game for this year. Which means I'll miss the SOX on Saturday, I just better get my money back.

    Fans so far are having a great time.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    DewieCox said:
    Who’s top 5?

    Babe
    Mays
    Bonds
    Pujols
    Ryan
    Ryan?  You're joking right?
    He was a horse for a loooooong time. I used to think he was overrated and then checked out his Baseball-reference one day. Bolded shit all over the place up for damn near a quarter century. He really only dropped off his last few years. 


    Pujols at 23 is moronic. He’s a lock in the top 10. Fucking 700 hr clean
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    edited March 2020
    DewieCox said:
    DewieCox said:
    Who’s top 5?

    Babe
    Mays
    Bonds
    Pujols
    Ryan
    Ryan?  You're joking right?
    He was a horse for a loooooong time. I used to think he was overrated and then checked out his Baseball-reference one day. Bolded shit all over the place up for damn near a quarter century. He really only dropped off his last few years. 


    Pujols at 23 is moronic. He’s a lock in the top 10. Fucking 700 hr clean
    He lead in categories like K's, BB's, Hits per 9 innings, Wild pitches...  I do admit to loving him as he was exciting but no way was he one of the best.

    Blyleven, Neikro, Carlton and Perry had a higher WAR than Ryan.  All his contemporaries.

    EDIT: Yes I would put Pujols wayyyy up there as well.  For the first 12 years or so he was unbelievable.
  • As stated, I have a beef with Griffey not being lower than 40s, but every person would make a different list.
    The top 10 is going to be fun. 
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    As stated, I have a beef with Griffey not being lower than 40s, but every person would make a different list.
    The top 10 is going to be fun. 
    Ichiro should be way higher on the list.

    Cy young should not be behind any pitcher.

    Josh Gibson at 15 is a little much.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    Let's see everyone's top 5!
  • myoung321myoung321 Posts: 2,855
    Major League Baseball just suspended spring training and postponed Opening Day..

    Major League Baseball is delaying the start of the 2020 regular season by at least two weeks in response to the coronavirus pandemic, the league announced Thursday.

    ESPN  - https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/28892315/sources-mlb-expected-suspend-spring-training
    "The heart and mind are the true lens of the camera." - Yusuf Karsh
     


  • I know a guy who knows a guy...some teams are working on a plan for how things would look if they have to cancel the first half of the season.

    Top 5?

    Almost impossible to pick.

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Willie Mays
    3. Hank Aaron
    4. Ted Williams
    5. Mickey Mantle

    To heck with pitchers!
    (And to known roid ragers.  Bonds is an all time great but I am not putting him in my top 5)
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    DewieCox said:
    DewieCox said:
    Who’s top 5?

    Babe
    Mays
    Bonds
    Pujols
    Ryan
    Ryan?  You're joking right?
    He was a horse for a loooooong time. I used to think he was overrated and then checked out his Baseball-reference one day. Bolded shit all over the place up for damn near a quarter century. He really only dropped off his last few years. 


    Pujols at 23 is moronic. He’s a lock in the top 10. Fucking 700 hr clean
    He lead in categories like K's, BB's, Hits per 9 innings, Wild pitches...  I do admit to loving him as he was exciting but no way was he one of the best.

    Blyleven, Neikro, Carlton and Perry had a higher WAR than Ryan.  All his contemporaries.

    EDIT: Yes I would put Pujols wayyyy up there as well.  For the first 12 years or so he was unbelievable.
    WAR shmar...5000k’s/not one of the best?  Get outta here with that shit
  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,429
    edited March 2020
    I know a guy who knows a guy...some teams are working on a plan for how things would look if they have to cancel the first half of the season.

    Top 5?

    Almost impossible to pick.

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Willie Mays
    3. Hank Aaron
    4. Ted Williams
    5. Mickey Mantle

    To heck with pitchers!
    (And to known roid ragers.  Bonds is an all time great but I am not putting him in my top 5)
    Id put clean Bonds somewhere close behind Griffey.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    DewieCox said:
    DewieCox said:
    DewieCox said:
    Who’s top 5?

    Babe
    Mays
    Bonds
    Pujols
    Ryan
    Ryan?  You're joking right?
    He was a horse for a loooooong time. I used to think he was overrated and then checked out his Baseball-reference one day. Bolded shit all over the place up for damn near a quarter century. He really only dropped off his last few years. 


    Pujols at 23 is moronic. He’s a lock in the top 10. Fucking 700 hr clean
    He lead in categories like K's, BB's, Hits per 9 innings, Wild pitches...  I do admit to loving him as he was exciting but no way was he one of the best.

    Blyleven, Neikro, Carlton and Perry had a higher WAR than Ryan.  All his contemporaries.

    EDIT: Yes I would put Pujols wayyyy up there as well.  For the first 12 years or so he was unbelievable.
    WAR shmar...5000k’s/not one of the best?  Get outta here with that shit
    There are a lot of people that think Ryan is one of the best, why?  They must love the strikeout.

    I would take Maddux 100 times over Ryan any day.  A list of other pitchers I would choose over him.

    Scherzer
    Kershaw
    Mathewson
    Koufax
    Gibson
    Drysdale
    Gomez
    Young
    Johnson Big Train
    Johnson Big Unit
    Brown
    Marichal
    Nichols
    Spahn
    Clemens
    Plank
    Palmer

    Again, I loved watching Ryan pitch.  Hearing him grunt when he threw was always cool!
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    I know a guy who knows a guy...some teams are working on a plan for how things would look if they have to cancel the first half of the season.

    Top 5?

    Almost impossible to pick.

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Willie Mays
    3. Hank Aaron
    4. Ted Williams
    5. Mickey Mantle

    To heck with pitchers!
    (And to known roid ragers.  Bonds is an all time great but I am not putting him in my top 5)
    Mantle over Cobb?
  • I know a guy who knows a guy...some teams are working on a plan for how things would look if they have to cancel the first half of the season.

    Top 5?

    Almost impossible to pick.

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Willie Mays
    3. Hank Aaron
    4. Ted Williams
    5. Mickey Mantle

    To heck with pitchers!
    (And to known roid ragers.  Bonds is an all time great but I am not putting him in my top 5)
    Mantle over Cobb?

    For my .02, yes.  Can understand others selecting differently.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    I know a guy who knows a guy...some teams are working on a plan for how things would look if they have to cancel the first half of the season.

    Top 5?

    Almost impossible to pick.

    1. Babe Ruth
    2. Willie Mays
    3. Hank Aaron
    4. Ted Williams
    5. Mickey Mantle

    To heck with pitchers!
    (And to known roid ragers.  Bonds is an all time great but I am not putting him in my top 5)
    Mantle over Cobb?

    For my .02, yes.  Can understand others selecting differently.
    That's a bold move Cotton.  Hope it pays off for you.


  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    Let's do top 5 pitchers of all time.

    Cy Young
    Walter Johnson
    Greg Maddux
    Christy Mathewson
    Warren Spahn

    I do think people underestimate how great Spahn was.
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Posts: 16,443
    I don't know that I can do top fives.  It's too hard to narrow down.
    Barry Bonds is the greatest player of all-time. Greg Maddux is the greatest pitcher of all-time. Manny Ramirez & Ichiro are two of the best hitters I've ever seen, throw Pujols, Arod, & Gwynn in there, too.  Wish I was old enough to have seen 70's George Brett.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    I don't know that I can do top fives.  It's too hard to narrow down.
    Barry Bonds is the greatest player of all-time. Greg Maddux is the greatest pitcher of all-time. Manny Ramirez & Ichiro are two of the best hitters I've ever seen, throw Pujols, Arod, & Gwynn in there, too.  Wish I was old enough to have seen 70's George Brett.
    With modern players I agree with you 100%.

    People don't put in Frank Thomas enough either.  For like 10 years he had 100BB, runs and RBI's.  Dude was a machine in the 90's.
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Posts: 16,443
    Always loved Frank Thomas even though he played for the bad guys.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    This thread should be bellowing with people's Top 5's.

    What say you?!?

    This is where I like to hear "why" you like certain players that others do not.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    The best player of all time is CLEARLY Gleyber Torres.  Don't even think about arguing with me.
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    The best player of all time is CLEARLY Gleyber Torres.  Don't even think about arguing with me.
    I love you sometimes but this isn't one of those times, lol.
  • cutzcutz Posts: 11,842
    Let's do top 5 pitchers of all time.

    Cy Young
    Walter Johnson
    Greg Maddux
    Christy Mathewson
    Warren Spahn

    I do think people underestimate how great Spahn was.
    How about Charles "Old Hoss" Radbourn ?
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    cutz said:
    Let's do top 5 pitchers of all time.

    Cy Young
    Walter Johnson
    Greg Maddux
    Christy Mathewson
    Warren Spahn

    I do think people underestimate how great Spahn was.
    How about Charles "Old Hoss" Radbourn ?
    HA!  One of my fav old nicknames. 
    "Addie" Joss was another good one. Three Finger was another.

    Baseball was very colorful years ago, lol!
  • cutzcutz Posts: 11,842
    edited March 2020
    I don't know that I can do top fives.  It's too hard to narrow down.
    Barry Bonds is the greatest player of all-time. Greg Maddux is the greatest pitcher of all-time. Manny Ramirez & Ichiro are two of the best hitters I've ever seen, throw Pujols, Arod, & Gwynn in there, too.  Wish I was old enough to have seen 70's George Brett.
    Top 5 is difficult. 

    Bonds is in the discussion. May Dad use to tell me that Willie Mays was one of, if not,  the Best overall player he saw. 

    Manny Ramirez & Albert Pujols are 2 of the best RH hitters i've seen. 

    George Brett almost hit .400 in 1980. Great swing.

    I'll throw in Rod Carew and Tony Gwynn who were Ichiro before Ichiro.  Better hitters,  really. Same with Wade Boggs.  Gwynn may have hit .400 if it wasn't for the Strike(1994)

    Steve Carlton & Bob Gibson are some of the pitchers that are right there with Maddux, that i saw. Check out ther Stats(ther complete game stat)
    Post edited by cutz on
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Posts: 16,443
    cutz said:
    I don't know that I can do top fives.  It's too hard to narrow down.
    Barry Bonds is the greatest player of all-time. Greg Maddux is the greatest pitcher of all-time. Manny Ramirez & Ichiro are two of the best hitters I've ever seen, throw Pujols, Arod, & Gwynn in there, too.  Wish I was old enough to have seen 70's George Brett.
    Top 5 is difficult. 

    Bonds is in the discussion. May Dad use to tell me that Willie Mays was one of, if not,  the Best overall player he saw. 

    Manny Ramirez & Albert Pujols are 2 of the best RH hitters i've seen. 

    George Brett almost hit .400 in 1980. Great swing.

    I'll throw in Rod Carew and Tony Gwynn who were Ichiro before Ichiro.  Better hitters,  really. Same with Wade Boggs.  Gwynn may have hit .400 if it wasn't for the Strike(1994)

    Steve Carlton & Bob Gibson are some of the pitchers that are right there with Maddux, that i saw. Check out ther Stats(ther complete game stat)
    I caught the very end of Carlton's career.  Dude was revered as one of, if not THE best lefty ever.  Speaking of which, gotta bring up my local guy Lefty Grove.  Consistently put up sub-3 ERAs in a time when Ruth, Gehrig, and others were beating the absolute shit out of the ball!
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    edited March 2020
    cutz said:
    I don't know that I can do top fives.  It's too hard to narrow down.
    Barry Bonds is the greatest player of all-time. Greg Maddux is the greatest pitcher of all-time. Manny Ramirez & Ichiro are two of the best hitters I've ever seen, throw Pujols, Arod, & Gwynn in there, too.  Wish I was old enough to have seen 70's George Brett.
    Top 5 is difficult. 

    Bonds is in the discussion. May Dad use to tell me that Willie Mays was one of, if not,  the Best overall player he saw. 

    Manny Ramirez & Albert Pujols are 2 of the best RH hitters i've seen. 

    George Brett almost hit .400 in 1980. Great swing.

    I'll throw in Rod Carew and Tony Gwynn who were Ichiro before Ichiro.  Better hitters,  really. Same with Wade Boggs.  Gwynn may have hit .400 if it wasn't for the Strike(1994)

    Steve Carlton & Bob Gibson are some of the pitchers that are right there with Maddux, that i saw. Check out ther Stats(ther complete game stat)
    I caught the very end of Carlton's career.  Dude was revered as one of, if not THE best lefty ever.  Speaking of which, gotta bring up my local guy Lefty Grove.  Consistently put up sub-3 ERAs in a time when Ruth, Gehrig, and others were beating the absolute shit out of the ball!
    See "Warren Spahn"...

    Edit: Look up Steve Carltons 1972 stats then look up the Phillies wins that year...  One of my favorite pitching stats.
    Post edited by tempo_n_groove on
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