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  • Wow, the AL really likes to stack up on bats and shitty pitching! Crawford to Boston? I seem to remember a stacked Rangers team that had their asses handed to them by the Giants in the World Series! :) Cliff Lee is the best available free agent now? Didn't he just lose twice to Big Time Timmy Jim?? What is wrong with baseball? Lolololol!!!!!
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,092
    Wow, the AL really likes to stack up on bats and shitty pitching! Crawford to Boston? I seem to remember a stacked Rangers team that had their asses handed to them by the Giants in the World Series! :)
    I remember that, too :mrgreen:

    the werth contract strikes me as the most insane....especially to a team like the Nats, who can't afford to be wrong :?
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  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    imalive wrote:
    Wow, the AL really likes to stack up on bats and shitty pitching! Crawford to Boston? I seem to remember a stacked Rangers team that had their asses handed to them by the Giants in the World Series! :)
    I remember that, too :mrgreen:

    the werth contract strikes me as the most insane....especially to a team like the Nats, who can't afford to be wrong :?

    the nats owner is worth 4 billion dollars. they have some of the deepest pockets in baseball
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,813
    The Fixer wrote:
    imalive wrote:
    Wow, the AL really likes to stack up on bats and shitty pitching! Crawford to Boston? I seem to remember a stacked Rangers team that had their asses handed to them by the Giants in the World Series! :)
    I remember that, too :mrgreen:

    the werth contract strikes me as the most insane....especially to a team like the Nats, who can't afford to be wrong :?

    the nats owner is worth 4 billion dollars. they have some of the deepest pockets in baseball

    I just read this today. I had no clue. That is pretty crazy.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    The Fixer wrote:

    the werth contract strikes me as the most insane....especially to a team like the Nats, who can't afford to be wrong :?

    the nats owner is worth 4 billion dollars. they have some of the deepest pockets in baseball

    I just read this today. I had no clue. That is pretty crazy.[/quote]

    I didn't know until after the werth deal was announced. Apparently Lerner is worth almost double what mark cuban is worth. that is insane
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,813
    The Fixer wrote:
    I didn't know until after the werth deal was announced. Apparently Lerner is worth almost double what mark cuban is worth. that is insane

    That is insane. Guess you don't hear about it because he does not make headlines in the sports world. Pretty crazy and must be nice.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,813
    Rangers going past 5 years for Lee.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,813
    Reading the Rangers are now including any perks necessary to make his life easier. If that's the case, Yanks should have this in the bag. Yankees can offer more money and the same perks.
  • Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Reading the Rangers are now including any perks necessary to make his life easier. If that's the case, Yanks should have this in the bag. Yankees can offer more money and the same perks.

    Wow, having Oswalt for one or two years and Doc for 3 years really looks good now.

    I guess either team will just give Lee and his family a private plane or something. Too bad it looks like my son might turn out to be a righty. :lol: Probably still too early to tell. ;)
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,092
    The Fixer wrote:
    imalive wrote:
    Wow, the AL really likes to stack up on bats and shitty pitching! Crawford to Boston? I seem to remember a stacked Rangers team that had their asses handed to them by the Giants in the World Series! :)
    I remember that, too :mrgreen:

    the werth contract strikes me as the most insane....especially to a team like the Nats, who can't afford to be wrong :?

    the nats owner is worth 4 billion dollars. they have some of the deepest pockets in baseball
    :shock: :shock: well, fuck, might as well sign Lee too!
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,818
    Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Reading the Rangers are now including any perks necessary to make his life easier. If that's the case, Yanks should have this in the bag. Yankees can offer more money and the same perks.

    Wow, having Oswalt for one or two years and Doc for 3 years really looks good now.

    ;)
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  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Apparently cliff lee is going to make his decision tomorrow
  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave Posts: 41,938
    hope he stays in texas and doesn't go to the evil empire
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,092
    hope he stays in texas and doesn't go to the evil empire
    hope he goes, so the villain becomes more villainous. :evil:
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,818
    But it's the Yankees who might be the biggest losers of all. They miss out on a pitcher they coveted just days after the division rival Red Sox acquired Adrian Gonzalez and Carl Crawford. Now that Crawford and Jayson Werth have signed, the Yankees will try to convince Andy Pettitte to return and determine whether to make a run at Greinke.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    the rich get richer!! ... i guess baseball is symbolic of the world we live in ...

    it's kinda sad in a way ...
  • polaris_x wrote:
    the rich get richer!! ... i guess baseball is symbolic of the world we live in ...

    it's kinda sad in a way ...

    The whole point of free agency is that a player can go play for whoever he wants to. If Lee wanted to play for the Blue Jays, I'm sure they could've worked something out. But he wanted to play for a fanbase that sold out 81 home games last year and gave their own GM an aircraft carrier-load of shit for trading him away, and a manager that isn't going to take him out of games because of some giant binder.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,818
    polaris_x wrote:
    the rich get richer!! ... i guess baseball is symbolic of the world we live in ...

    it's kinda sad in a way ...

    The whole point of free agency is that a player can go play for whoever he wants to. If Lee wanted to play for the Blue Jays, I'm sure they could've worked something out. But he wanted to play for a fanbase that sold out 81 home games last year and gave their own GM an aircraft carrier-load of shit for trading him away, and a manager that isn't going to take him out of games because of some giant binder.


    ...and took less money to do so. :mrgreen:
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    every other team is just a farm team for the big guns in free agency ... if money is going to determine where someone goes - then it's pretty obvious that there are only a few teams in the mix ...

    i don't have a stat but it would be interesting to see the gap in payroll over the years ...

    mlb has the worst parity of any of the 4 major sports ...
  • polaris_x wrote:
    mlb has the worst parity of any of the 4 major sports ...

    That's complete bullshit. The Lakers win about 3/5 of all Western Conference titles. The Patriots have about a .700 winning pct. the past decade. Meanwhile, the Giants, Rangers, Rays and Rockies have been in the World Series recently. And the Phillies were baseball's biggest joke until 2007.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,818
    polaris_x wrote:
    every other team is just a farm team for the big guns in free agency ... if money is going to determine where someone goes - then it's pretty obvious that there are only a few teams in the mix ...

    i don't have a stat but it would be interesting to see the gap in payroll over the years ...

    mlb has the worst parity of any of the 4 major sports ...


    dude. dude.... he left 30 million dollars on the table to come to a team and a city he loves and knows has a chance to win. how is money the ultimate determining factor here? would you rather him left 90 million on the table?

    parity...give me a break. every sport has parity except the nba. the rangers and giants just played in the world series. your blue jays won 2 titles back in the 90's. give it a rest man.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,818
    polaris_x wrote:
    mlb has the worst parity of any of the 4 major sports ...

    That's complete bullshit. The Lakers win about 3/5 of all Western Conference titles. The Patriots have about a .700 winning pct. the past decade. Meanwhile, the Giants, Rangers, Rays and Rockies have been in the World Series recently. And the Phillies were baseball's biggest joke until 2007.

    regarding the patriots---you aren't insinuating that the nfl doesn't have parity do you? that is nuts. parity defines that league right now. i believe more teams have played in a super bowl than played in a world series the last decade---or its at least even. either way, other than the nba, yeah every league has parity.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    That's complete bullshit. The Lakers win about 3/5 of all Western Conference titles. The Patriots have about a .700 winning pct. the past decade. Meanwhile, the Giants, Rangers, Rays and Rockies have been in the World Series recently. And the Phillies were baseball's biggest joke until 2007.

    the nba is probably the second worst ... the nfl has a salary cap and revenue sharing ... it's why teams like green bay can compete ... if a tier 1 free agent comes out - he isn't necessarily gonna be going to one of 4 or 5 teams ...

    ya ... teams can put together a 1-2 year run maybe but then they are back to square one ... where will the rays be next year? ... where were the rockies? ...

    the reality is the only good thing is that there are 6 divisions in mlb and the big guns are concentrated in 2 of them ...

    on another note ... the pau gasol "trade" is what is putting the lakers in the position they've been ...
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    dude. dude.... he left 30 million dollars on the table to come to a team and a city he loves and knows has a chance to win. how is money the ultimate determining factor here? would you rather him left 90 million on the table?

    parity...give me a break. every sport has parity except the nba. the rangers and giants just played in the world series. your blue jays won 2 titles back in the 90's. give it a rest man.

    he left total dollars on the table but his deal is also for less years ... but yeah, he left money on the table to win ... which is partly my point ...

    the fact remains that for your tier 1 free agents - there are only a handful of teams that can afford to sign them ... that is not the sign of parity ... at least in the nba ... if you clear cap room - you can sign free agents ...

    again - the one thing going for the mlb is that there are some weak divisions with no big market teams so, there will always be a small-mid market team in the playoffs ...
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,818
    polaris_x wrote:
    That's complete bullshit. The Lakers win about 3/5 of all Western Conference titles. The Patriots have about a .700 winning pct. the past decade. Meanwhile, the Giants, Rangers, Rays and Rockies have been in the World Series recently. And the Phillies were baseball's biggest joke until 2007.

    the nba is probably the second worst ... the nfl has a salary cap and revenue sharing ... it's why teams like green bay can compete ... if a tier 1 free agent comes out - he isn't necessarily gonna be going to one of 4 or 5 teams ...

    ya ... teams can put together a 1-2 year run maybe but then they are back to square one ... where will the rays be next year? ... where were the rockies? ...

    the reality is the only good thing is that there are 6 divisions in mlb and the big guns are concentrated in 2 of them ...

    on another note ... the pau gasol "trade" is what is putting the lakers in the position they've been ...

    the nfl has no salary cap right now.

    the rays just went on a great 3 year run, including a trip to the world series. the rockies have competed for the playoffs for the past few years. they were in the series just a few years ago.

    considering all the teams that have competed for championships in the other major leagues compared to the small amount in the nba, i don't see how you can make this argument.
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  • polaris_x wrote:
    That's complete bullshit. The Lakers win about 3/5 of all Western Conference titles. The Patriots have about a .700 winning pct. the past decade. Meanwhile, the Giants, Rangers, Rays and Rockies have been in the World Series recently. And the Phillies were baseball's biggest joke until 2007.

    the nba is probably the second worst ... the nfl has a salary cap and revenue sharing ... it's why teams like green bay can compete ... if a tier 1 free agent comes out - he isn't necessarily gonna be going to one of 4 or 5 teams ...

    ya ... teams can put together a 1-2 year run maybe but then they are back to square one ... where will the rays be next year? ... where were the rockies? ...

    the reality is the only good thing is that there are 6 divisions in mlb and the big guns are concentrated in 2 of them ...

    on another note ... the pau gasol "trade" is what is putting the lakers in the position they've been ...

    I'm sure you didn't mind when the Blue Jays built the Skydome and had the highest payroll in baseball, buying up a murderer's row lineup that would terrify the 2009 Yankees.
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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    the nfl has no salary cap right now.

    the rays just went on a great 3 year run, including a trip to the world series. the rockies have competed for the playoffs for the past few years. they were in the series just a few years ago.

    considering all the teams that have competed for championships in the other major leagues compared to the small amount in the nba, i don't see how you can make this argument.

    it's only because they opted out ... it's a one-season thing ... the new cba will have a salary cap

    and now the rays are done, the rockies are likely done ... the phils, red sox and yanks will for the foreseeable future be in post-season contention every year ...

    as for the nba, there are many factors at play ... 1. you are looking at a sport that requires like 8-9 guys to succeed ... it's much easier to concentrate talent ... 2. take the gasol trade out of the equation and the lakers would not be where they are ... 3. there are at least 8 teams that have nba finals potential in the association right now ...

    and again - no one seems to be commenting on the fact that all the tier 1 free agents are going to the same teams ...
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    I'm sure you didn't mind when the Blue Jays built the Skydome and had the highest payroll in baseball, buying up a murderer's row lineup that would terrify the 2009 Yankees.

    dude ... i would say exactly the same thing ... i'm a socialist! ... hahaha ...

    i believe sports is about competition and teamwork ...

    listen - like i said, i'm happy for you phillies fans ... but you can't tell me that the concentration of talent and the ability to buy that talent to a handful of teams is good for the league ...

    yeah - red sox, yankees and phils are sold out ... but what about teams like kansas city, the brewers? ... a healthy league is one in which all teams can compete ...
  • polaris_x wrote:
    it's only because they opted out ... it's a one-season thing ... the new cba will have a salary cap

    and now the rays are done, the rockies are likely done ... the phils, red sox and yanks will for the foreseeable future be in post-season contention every year ...

    as for the nba, there are many factors at play ... 1. you are looking at a sport that requires like 8-9 guys to succeed ... it's much easier to concentrate talent ... 2. take the gasol trade out of the equation and the lakers would not be where they are ... 3. there are at least 8 teams that have nba finals potential in the association right now ...

    and again - no one seems to be commenting on the fact that all the tier 1 free agents are going to the same teams ...

    You will just continue to make arguments even if they are wrong.

    Rockies aren't done; they just faded in the last week of the year, and the NL West still sucks, even with the Giants fluky title.

    Um, Tier 1 free agent Jayson Werth signed with the lowly Washington Nationals.

    The Rays are still stacked in the rotation and lineup, and have a great prospect waiting to replace Crawford. They lost Pena, but he sucked last year anyway. They could definitely compete with the pitching-challenged Yankees next year. Besides, their real problem is nobody shows up to their games, even with a great team.

    And, oh yeah, Qatar is still a stupid place to have the World Cup. :lol:
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  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    polaris_x wrote:
    every other team is just a farm team for the big guns in free agency ... if money is going to determine where someone goes - then it's pretty obvious that there are only a few teams in the mix ...

    i don't have a stat but it would be interesting to see the gap in payroll over the years ...

    mlb has the worst parity of any of the 4 major sports ...

    higher payroll doesn't equate to success (see mets, dodgers, cubs)

    baseball has more parity than any of the major sports leagues. just look at the champions over the last 10-15 years.
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