As the bill is written what group is its' intended target? I don't want your interpretation of it, I want to know the law.
I think the bill targets undocumented immigrants AT THE EXPENSE OF other people of color who are here legally.
What's your point, exactly? That a law that harms a minority population is ok as long as that wasn't its primary intention?
Let me ask you this: Back when the US goverment decided to put hundreds of uranium mines on the Navajo reservation & hire Navajos without telling them that research had already shown that uranium causes cancer, was that okay since the purpose was not to harm Navajos? And, even though they chose a marginalized population to exploit, did this have nothing to do with viewing this group as inferior?
You gonna answer my questions, unsung?
Nah, he'll just reply and tell you it's a smokescreen for the truth
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
I think the bill targets undocumented immigrants AT THE EXPENSE OF other people of color who are here legally.
What's your point, exactly? That a law that harms a minority population is ok as long as that wasn't its primary intention?
Let me ask you this: Back when the US goverment decided to put hundreds of uranium mines on the Navajo reservation & hire Navajos without telling them that research had already shown that uranium causes cancer, was that okay since the purpose was not to harm Navajos? And, even though they chose a marginalized population to exploit, did this have nothing to do with viewing this group as inferior?
You gonna answer my questions, unsung?
Nah, he'll just reply and tell you it's a smokescreen for the truth
Looks like he's not even going to reply. How can we be expected to take what people say seriously if they refuse to engage in actual conversation? :?
the bill was created to help solve a problem, civil rights are very imporant but so are the rights of Americans.
I have seen police on t.v that said they don't even wan't to deal with this issue,it would be impossible to make everybody happy with any new bill to replace the new Az. bill,in all honesty I don't think that most( but not all )protesters of this bill will be happy unyil the borders are opened up(thats what they seem to be after) and that would be a huge problem,some can say this bill only targets Mexican people but will be a tool to targe anybody here illegly from any other country and thats where the profiling will come in and not be a issue of skin color.
... civil rights are very imporant but so are the rights of Americans.... some can say this bill only targets Mexican people but will be a tool to targe anybody here illegly from any other country and thats where the profiling will come in and not be a issue of skin color.
Godfather.
:? :?
I don't understand either of these statements, especially the first one. We are talking about the civil rights of Americans, so how can you say it's okay to violate the civil rights of Americans because the rights of Americans are more important?? :?
the bill was created to help solve a problem, civil rights are very imporant but so are the rights of Americans.
I have seen police on t.v that said they don't even wan't to deal with this issue,it would be impossible to make everybody happy with any new bill to replace the new Az. bill,in all honesty I don't think that most( but not all )protesters of this bill will be happy unyil the borders are opened up(thats what they seem to be after) and that would be a huge problem,some can say this bill only targets Mexican people but will be a tool to targe anybody here illegly from any other country and thats where the profiling will come in and not be a issue of skin color.
Godfather.
Actually, I think the profiling will be racial and will be based on skin color. If you're a cop looking to pull over someone for being in the country illegally, will you pull over the guy who looks like Carlos Mencia or will you pull over the guy who looks like Robin Williams?
By the way, scb, you got old in a hurry... lol
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
Maybe I'm wrong on this but didn't the language in the bill just recently get changed.
You are correct --- I guess they finally realized that it was simply racial profiling..... Let's tune in and see what else gets changed.....
I am sure so many of you guys will continue to support this bill, no matter what! That my friend, I do not understand.... The law makers finally realized it, why can't everyone else? :? :? :? :?
very confusing if you ask me.
I don't think it's a matter of some of us supporting the bill some of us are just tired of what has been happening along the border states and the other countrys that people come here from illegally.
this is a step in the right direction to some of us, it might not be perfect but it's a start.
You mean my avatar? Yeah, we grow up so fast these days! j/k The picture is of my grandmother. Wasn't she beautiful!?
One minute you're two young girls, and the next you're an adult woman - it's like Transformers gone crazy.
She's beautiful though! And probably less crazy than mine - my grandmother used to swear she could see auras, and once gave me a book by L. Ron Hubbard (long before I'd ever heard of Scientology). I never read the book, but when I found out who L. Ron Hubbard was, suddenly some of the things my grandmother used to say were seen in a whole different light...
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
ahhh yes....more bigotry at work....by the way, i find the term "anchor baby" absolutely disgusting and reprehensible....yet it is ok for privileged white lawmakers and rush limbaugh to use it...
Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship
The author of Arizona's immigration law, state Sen. Russell Pearce, told constituents he wants to pass another measure to invalidate citizenship granted to the children of illegal aliens.
Pearce wrote that he plans to "push for an Arizona bill that would refuse to accept or issue a birth certificate that recognizes citizenship to those born to illegal aliens, unless one parent is a citizen," in an email obtained by Phoenix CBS affiliate KPHO.
Pearce also forwarded an email from another correspondent expanding on the proposal — which he later told KPHO he didn't agree with. "If we are going to have an effect on the anchor baby racket, we need to target the mother. Call it sexist, but that's the way nature made it. Men don't drop anchor babies, illegal alien mothers do," the email said.
Pearce did tell the CBS affiliate, however, that he didn't see anything wrong with using the term "anchor baby" to refer to natural-born U.S. citizens.
Last year, 92 Congressmen sponsored a bill that would change the 14th Amendment so that children of illegal aliens born in the United States would not be granted citizenship. The bill is still in committee.
Last month, Rep. Duncan Hunter of California told a tea party rally he would support deporting children of illegal aliens, even if they are citizens.
"And we're not being mean. We're just saying it takes more than walking across the border to become an American citizen," he said. "It's what's in our souls."
His spokesman later sought to clarify the remarks with the Associated Press, saying that Duncan believes that "U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants should stay with their parents unless there is a legal guardian who could take care of them."
— Liz Goodwin is a national affairs writer for Yahoo! News
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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really, like a majority of lawmakers in arizona or anywhere else are going to vote for this piece of shit racist legislation. after reading your hundreds of posts condemning illegal immigration i will bet you are one of the people that uses the term "anchor baby" frequently. you are one of maybe 5 posters on this entire forum that would support this legislation...how does it feel to be on the loony fringe right?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I still find it bizarre that something like this could happen in this day and age.
Southern USA is in a whole other world.
we should be progressing, not going back to the 1950s....and american conservatives wonder why the rest of the world laughs at us...
I don't know, I mean i understand the needs to address illegal immigration and everything, so I see what some people are saying.
But if something like this happened where I lived? :shock:
Like, do you know how many Asians live in lower mainland British Columbia?!
ahhh yes....more bigotry at work....by the way, i find the term "anchor baby" absolutely disgusting and reprehensible....yet it is ok for privileged white lawmakers and rush limbaugh to use it...
Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship
The author of Arizona's immigration law, state Sen. Russell Pearce, told constituents he wants to pass another measure to invalidate citizenship granted to the children of illegal aliens.
Pearce wrote that he plans to "push for an Arizona bill that would refuse to accept or issue a birth certificate that recognizes citizenship to those born to illegal aliens, unless one parent is a citizen," in an email obtained by Phoenix CBS affiliate KPHO.
Pearce also forwarded an email from another correspondent expanding on the proposal — which he later told KPHO he didn't agree with. "If we are going to have an effect on the anchor baby racket, we need to target the mother. Call it sexist, but that's the way nature made it. Men don't drop anchor babies, illegal alien mothers do," the email said.
Pearce did tell the CBS affiliate, however, that he didn't see anything wrong with using the term "anchor baby" to refer to natural-born U.S. citizens.
Last year, 92 Congressmen sponsored a bill that would change the 14th Amendment so that children of illegal aliens born in the United States would not be granted citizenship. The bill is still in committee.
Last month, Rep. Duncan Hunter of California told a tea party rally he would support deporting children of illegal aliens, even if they are citizens.
"And we're not being mean. We're just saying it takes more than walking across the border to become an American citizen," he said. "It's what's in our souls."
His spokesman later sought to clarify the remarks with the Associated Press, saying that Duncan believes that "U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants should stay with their parents unless there is a legal guardian who could take care of them."
— Liz Goodwin is a national affairs writer for Yahoo! News
birthright citizenship is already banned or modified in many other countries, the UK, New Zealand, Austrailia, Germany, just about everyone in the EU. Why is it such a terrible concept?
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
ahhh yes....more bigotry at work....by the way, i find the term "anchor baby" absolutely disgusting and reprehensible....yet it is ok for privileged white lawmakers and rush limbaugh to use it...
Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship
The author of Arizona's immigration law, state Sen. Russell Pearce, told constituents he wants to pass another measure to invalidate citizenship granted to the children of illegal aliens.
Pearce wrote that he plans to "push for an Arizona bill that would refuse to accept or issue a birth certificate that recognizes citizenship to those born to illegal aliens, unless one parent is a citizen," in an email obtained by Phoenix CBS affiliate KPHO.
Pearce also forwarded an email from another correspondent expanding on the proposal — which he later told KPHO he didn't agree with. "If we are going to have an effect on the anchor baby racket, we need to target the mother. Call it sexist, but that's the way nature made it. Men don't drop anchor babies, illegal alien mothers do," the email said.
Pearce did tell the CBS affiliate, however, that he didn't see anything wrong with using the term "anchor baby" to refer to natural-born U.S. citizens.
Last year, 92 Congressmen sponsored a bill that would change the 14th Amendment so that children of illegal aliens born in the United States would not be granted citizenship. The bill is still in committee.
Last month, Rep. Duncan Hunter of California told a tea party rally he would support deporting children of illegal aliens, even if they are citizens.
"And we're not being mean. We're just saying it takes more than walking across the border to become an American citizen," he said. "It's what's in our souls."
His spokesman later sought to clarify the remarks with the Associated Press, saying that Duncan believes that "U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants should stay with their parents unless there is a legal guardian who could take care of them."
— Liz Goodwin is a national affairs writer for Yahoo! News
birthright citizenship is already banned or modified in many other countries, the UK, New Zealand, Austrailia, Germany, just about everyone in the EU. Why is it such a terrible concept?
since when do WE have to start being like europe? all of the rednecks over here take pride in doing things such as denying global warming, wanting jesus in public schools, guns for everyone, and going it alone in wars of choice..... we have always done things our own way, so why start now and why start with this issue?
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
ahhh yes....more bigotry at work....by the way, i find the term "anchor baby" absolutely disgusting and reprehensible....yet it is ok for privileged white lawmakers and rush limbaugh to use it...
Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship
The author of Arizona's immigration law, state Sen. Russell Pearce, told constituents he wants to pass another measure to invalidate citizenship granted to the children of illegal aliens.
Pearce wrote that he plans to "push for an Arizona bill that would refuse to accept or issue a birth certificate that recognizes citizenship to those born to illegal aliens, unless one parent is a citizen," in an email obtained by Phoenix CBS affiliate KPHO.
Pearce also forwarded an email from another correspondent expanding on the proposal — which he later told KPHO he didn't agree with. "If we are going to have an effect on the anchor baby racket, we need to target the mother. Call it sexist, but that's the way nature made it. Men don't drop anchor babies, illegal alien mothers do," the email said.
Pearce did tell the CBS affiliate, however, that he didn't see anything wrong with using the term "anchor baby" to refer to natural-born U.S. citizens.
Last year, 92 Congressmen sponsored a bill that would change the 14th Amendment so that children of illegal aliens born in the United States would not be granted citizenship. The bill is still in committee.
Last month, Rep. Duncan Hunter of California told a tea party rally he would support deporting children of illegal aliens, even if they are citizens.
"And we're not being mean. We're just saying it takes more than walking across the border to become an American citizen," he said. "It's what's in our souls."
His spokesman later sought to clarify the remarks with the Associated Press, saying that Duncan believes that "U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants should stay with their parents unless there is a legal guardian who could take care of them."
— Liz Goodwin is a national affairs writer for Yahoo! News
birthright citizenship is already banned or modified in many other countries, the UK, New Zealand, Austrailia, Germany, just about everyone in the EU. Why is it such a terrible concept?
since when do WE have to start being like europe? all of the rednecks over here take pride in doing things such as denying global warming, wanting jesus in public schools, guns for everyone, and going it alone in wars of choice..... we have always done things our own way, so why start now and why start with this issue?
Same can be said for liberals who want to claim how European countries are so much more socially advanced than the US. It isn't a good argument either way.
Personally I am not at all against birth right citizenship, but I do think it should be modified a little. However the cost of these babies is something that should be examined. It would also be a way to help add incentive to coming across the border legally.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Same can be said for liberals who want to claim how European countries are so much more socially advanced than the US. It isn't a good argument either way.
Personally I am not at all against birth right citizenship, but I do think it should be modified a little. However the cost of these babies is something that should be examined. It would also be a way to help add incentive to coming across the border legally.
how can one modify birthright citizinship? either you are a citizin if you are born here or you are not. there is no such thing as step-citizinship and there is no earning citizinship.
europeans ARE more socially advanced than we are. they don't deny climate change, they are working on alternate energy sources, the scandinavian countries have some of the greatest pioneering surgeons with many medical procedures (mostly in orthopedics, my area of expertice) that are not approved by the FDA that treat many severe bone and joint problems, they don't have the gun violence we have, they don't have a society with customs based on religious beliefs or religion in public schools, nor do they want that like so many people here do, they don't start wars based on faulty logic and intelligence, they do not elect leaders based SOLELY ON ONE ISSUE like abortion, their governments are not controlled by lobbyists and corporations, they don't have morons like sarah palin, glenn beck, or hannity running their mouths and making bad situations worse, and unlike the majority of the US they pay attention to world affairs, because what WE do affects them. i have had intelligent meaningful conversations from more europeans than from most americans and i happen to agree with many of the social principles that are prominent in europe.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
europeans ARE more socially advanced than we are. they don't deny climate change, they are working on alternate energy sources, the scandinavian countries have some of the greatest pioneering surgeons with many medical procedures (mostly in orthopedics, my area of expertice) that are not approved by the FDA that treat many severe bone and joint problems, they don't have the gun violence we have, they don't have a society with customs based on religious beliefs or religion in public schools, nor do they want that like so many people here do, they don't start wars based on faulty logic and intelligence, they do not elect leaders based SOLELY ON ONE ISSUE like abortion, their governments are not controlled by lobbyists and corporations, they don't have morons like sarah palin, glenn beck, or hannity running their mouths and making bad situations worse, and unlike the majority of the US they pay attention to world affairs, because what WE do affects them. i have had intelligent meaningful conversations from more europeans than from most americans and i happen to agree with many of the social principles that are prominent in europe.
Is this a generalization of Scandinavia or all of Europe?
Same can be said for liberals who want to claim how European countries are so much more socially advanced than the US. It isn't a good argument either way.
Personally I am not at all against birth right citizenship, but I do think it should be modified a little. However the cost of these babies is something that should be examined. It would also be a way to help add incentive to coming across the border legally.
how can one modify birthright citizinship? either you are a citizin if you are born here or you are not. there is no such thing as step-citizinship and there is no earning citizinship.
europeans ARE more socially advanced than we are. they don't deny climate change, they are working on alternate energy sources, the scandinavian countries have some of the greatest pioneering surgeons with many medical procedures (mostly in orthopedics, my area of expertice) that are not approved by the FDA that treat many severe bone and joint problems, they don't have the gun violence we have, they don't have a society with customs based on religious beliefs or religion in public schools, nor do they want that like so many people here do, they don't start wars based on faulty logic and intelligence, they do not elect leaders based SOLELY ON ONE ISSUE like abortion, their governments are not controlled by lobbyists and corporations, they don't have morons like sarah palin, glenn beck, or hannity running their mouths and making bad situations worse, and unlike the majority of the US they pay attention to world affairs, because what WE do affects them. i have had intelligent meaningful conversations from more europeans than from most americans and i happen to agree with many of the social principles that are prominent in europe.
birth right citizenship can be modified. I believe in France it is dependant on residency being established prior to the birth. That is modifiying birth right citizenship, it is still a form of jus soli, but not true form, or by another definition, a modified form.
sweeping generalizations don't make it true. There are dumb people everywhere, there are single issue people everywhere. It seems like a grass is greener kind of thing with a lot of people. Europe is probably a great place to live, but a lot of people make it seem like there are no problems there. I can tell you from experience that the US is a great place to live also, but there are problems here. It seems like you only take the negatives from the US, that don't actually represent the majority of the people of the US, and then say european countries don't do that.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
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Nah, he'll just reply and tell you it's a smokescreen for the truth
Looks like he's not even going to reply. How can we be expected to take what people say seriously if they refuse to engage in actual conversation? :?
I have seen police on t.v that said they don't even wan't to deal with this issue,it would be impossible to make everybody happy with any new bill to replace the new Az. bill,in all honesty I don't think that most( but not all )protesters of this bill will be happy unyil the borders are opened up(thats what they seem to be after) and that would be a huge problem,some can say this bill only targets Mexican people but will be a tool to targe anybody here illegly from any other country and thats where the profiling will come in and not be a issue of skin color.
Godfather.
:? :?
I don't understand either of these statements, especially the first one. We are talking about the civil rights of Americans, so how can you say it's okay to violate the civil rights of Americans because the rights of Americans are more important?? :?
Actually, I think the profiling will be racial and will be based on skin color. If you're a cop looking to pull over someone for being in the country illegally, will you pull over the guy who looks like Carlos Mencia or will you pull over the guy who looks like Robin Williams?
By the way, scb, you got old in a hurry... lol
I don't think it's a matter of some of us supporting the bill some of us are just tired of what has been happening along the border states and the other countrys that people come here from illegally.
this is a step in the right direction to some of us, it might not be perfect but it's a start.
Godfather.
One minute you're two young girls, and the next you're an adult woman - it's like Transformers gone crazy.
She's beautiful though! And probably less crazy than mine - my grandmother used to swear she could see auras, and once gave me a book by L. Ron Hubbard (long before I'd ever heard of Scientology). I never read the book, but when I found out who L. Ron Hubbard was, suddenly some of the things my grandmother used to say were seen in a whole different light...
Author of Arizona immigration law wants to end birthright citizenship
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100521/ ... ews_pl2192
The author of Arizona's immigration law, state Sen. Russell Pearce, told constituents he wants to pass another measure to invalidate citizenship granted to the children of illegal aliens.
Pearce wrote that he plans to "push for an Arizona bill that would refuse to accept or issue a birth certificate that recognizes citizenship to those born to illegal aliens, unless one parent is a citizen," in an email obtained by Phoenix CBS affiliate KPHO.
Pearce also forwarded an email from another correspondent expanding on the proposal — which he later told KPHO he didn't agree with. "If we are going to have an effect on the anchor baby racket, we need to target the mother. Call it sexist, but that's the way nature made it. Men don't drop anchor babies, illegal alien mothers do," the email said.
Pearce did tell the CBS affiliate, however, that he didn't see anything wrong with using the term "anchor baby" to refer to natural-born U.S. citizens.
Last year, 92 Congressmen sponsored a bill that would change the 14th Amendment so that children of illegal aliens born in the United States would not be granted citizenship. The bill is still in committee.
Last month, Rep. Duncan Hunter of California told a tea party rally he would support deporting children of illegal aliens, even if they are citizens.
"And we're not being mean. We're just saying it takes more than walking across the border to become an American citizen," he said. "It's what's in our souls."
His spokesman later sought to clarify the remarks with the Associated Press, saying that Duncan believes that "U.S.-born children of illegal immigrants should stay with their parents unless there is a legal guardian who could take care of them."
— Liz Goodwin is a national affairs writer for Yahoo! News
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Southern USA is in a whole other world.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
But if something like this happened where I lived? :shock:
Like, do you know how many Asians live in lower mainland British Columbia?!
birthright citizenship is already banned or modified in many other countries, the UK, New Zealand, Austrailia, Germany, just about everyone in the EU. Why is it such a terrible concept?
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Same can be said for liberals who want to claim how European countries are so much more socially advanced than the US. It isn't a good argument either way.
Personally I am not at all against birth right citizenship, but I do think it should be modified a little. However the cost of these babies is something that should be examined. It would also be a way to help add incentive to coming across the border legally.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
europeans ARE more socially advanced than we are. they don't deny climate change, they are working on alternate energy sources, the scandinavian countries have some of the greatest pioneering surgeons with many medical procedures (mostly in orthopedics, my area of expertice) that are not approved by the FDA that treat many severe bone and joint problems, they don't have the gun violence we have, they don't have a society with customs based on religious beliefs or religion in public schools, nor do they want that like so many people here do, they don't start wars based on faulty logic and intelligence, they do not elect leaders based SOLELY ON ONE ISSUE like abortion, their governments are not controlled by lobbyists and corporations, they don't have morons like sarah palin, glenn beck, or hannity running their mouths and making bad situations worse, and unlike the majority of the US they pay attention to world affairs, because what WE do affects them. i have had intelligent meaningful conversations from more europeans than from most americans and i happen to agree with many of the social principles that are prominent in europe.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
birth right citizenship can be modified. I believe in France it is dependant on residency being established prior to the birth. That is modifiying birth right citizenship, it is still a form of jus soli, but not true form, or by another definition, a modified form.
sweeping generalizations don't make it true. There are dumb people everywhere, there are single issue people everywhere. It seems like a grass is greener kind of thing with a lot of people. Europe is probably a great place to live, but a lot of people make it seem like there are no problems there. I can tell you from experience that the US is a great place to live also, but there are problems here. It seems like you only take the negatives from the US, that don't actually represent the majority of the people of the US, and then say european countries don't do that.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan