New Law in AZ (AR) and Our Reasoning

Boxes&Books

This will be my final Thread on the subject - I am really only looking to get an informative response, with some real substance by godfather, unsung, aerial, and mikepegg44....... Considering they are the best of the best on the subject.......no disrespect to those other names i didn't mention...

The bill was recently edited because AZ (AR) law makers discovered that the whole racial profiling might have been a little over the top, which according to you guys didn't exist in the bill.
Here is a link from the O Reilly show, which helps to support my position of why this bill is no good.
Now according to Bill O Reilly this bill was created to simply (well maybe not only for that purpose) create attention to the illegal immigration problem in AZ. I would really like to know your thoughts on this video - Your knowledge Vs. that of someone who deals with this issue daily. Vs. someone who is well informed on the issue (not to say that you are not).

I don't come to the board to score points........I really want to find a solution, but this bill is getting in the way of our progress (our= specifically us on the board, but general society too).

Again I am not against the federal government deporting illegal immigrants on a daily bases- You and I see eye to eye on that issue. I have rejected this bill from the beginning and I was hoping to find people who can support that position, and help me spread the truth on the bill.
But you guys have been strong advocates of the bill, based on your wealth of knowledge and reasoning- and have stood in the way of progress/common sense-
Can you continue to support this bill, if yes why? Or will you say maybe there is a better approach?

A response is much appreciated, to me and I am sure to others on the board.
thanks,

http://origin-drupal.foxnews.com/on-air ... t_id=87253

p.s
this is only one side of the debate- the whole race issue and just about everything else we have debated still lingers....

FiveB247x

There's several threads on this matter in which this stuff is discussed to the max, and veers each direction from racism to solutions.. -why make another one? Might as well include abortion and religion while you're at it.

Boxes&Books

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FiveB247x wrote:

There's several threads on this matter in which this stuff is discussed to the max, and veers each direction from racism to solutions.. -why make another one? Might as well include abortion and religion while you're at it.

I was just thinking of starting an abortion thread!

FiveB247x

Maybe we'll hear something new we didn't hear in the 4,267 prior posts?

scb wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

There's several threads on this matter in which this stuff is discussed to the max, and veers each direction from racism to solutions.. -why make another one? Might as well include abortion and religion while you're at it.

I was just thinking of starting an abortion thread!

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FiveB247x wrote:

Maybe we'll hear something new we didn't hear in the 4,267 prior posts?

scb wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

There's several threads on this matter in which this stuff is discussed to the max, and veers each direction from racism to solutions.. -why make another one? Might as well include abortion and religion while you're at it.

I was just thinking of starting an abortion thread!

You mean here or in my abortion thread? 'Cuz new abortion data just came out today!

FiveB247x

I think we should abort all threads pertaining to the topic

scb wrote:

You mean here or in my abortion thread? 'Cuz new abortion data just came out today!

mikepegg44

just re read what I already wrote. If you want to have any further discussion please PM me if you like. But the sarcasm you came with will not be replied to. And yes, I do consider myself well informed on many topics, including this one.

WaveCameCrashin

Maybe I'm wrong on this but didn't the language in the bill just recently get changed.

Boxes&Books

prfctlefts wrote:

Maybe I'm wrong on this but didn't the language in the bill just recently get changed.

You are correct --- I guess they finally realized that it was simply racial profiling..... Let's tune in and see what else gets changed.....

I am sure so many of you guys will continue to support this bill, no matter what! That my friend, I do not understand.... The law makers finally realized it, why can't everyone else? :? :? :? :?
very confusing if you ask me.

Boxes&Books

mikepegg44 wrote:

just re read what I already wrote. If you want to have any further discussion please PM me if you like. But the sarcasm you came with will not be replied to. And yes, I do consider myself well informed on many topics, including this one.

Mike,
Like i said earlier - I wasn't trying to be sarcastic (my apologizes) - But I was hoping you and the rest of the people supporting this bill would come back at me with some facts as to why this bill is good. Not just your suggestion that the bill will be shot down by the feds.... Because that isn't my point and doesn't make this whole thing ok, bases on that (feds will shoot it down).... My point is all the hate associated with the bill and the lack of common sense in this bill, yet none of you guys are willing to simply denounce it.
My intent was to provide yet another reason why this bill is no good- directly from the source, directly to the point, directly to the brain (common sense).......

cajunkiwi

FiveB247x wrote:

I think we should abort all threads pertaining to the topic

scb wrote:

You mean here or in my abortion thread? 'Cuz new abortion data just came out today!

I, personally, believe in a woman's right to choose whether or not she wants a new thread.

mikepegg44

tonifig8 wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

just re read what I already wrote. If you want to have any further discussion please PM me if you like. But the sarcasm you came with will not be replied to. And yes, I do consider myself well informed on many topics, including this one.

Mike,
Like i said earlier - I wasn't trying to be sarcastic (my apologizes) - But I was hoping you and the rest of the people supporting this bill would come back at me with some facts as to why this bill is good. Not just your suggestion that the bill will be shot down by the feds.... Because that isn't my point and doesn't make this whole thing ok, bases on that (feds will shoot it down).... My point is all the hate associated with the bill and the lack of common sense in this bill, yet none of you guys are willing to simply denounce it.
My intent was to provide yet another reason why this bill is no good- directly from the source, directly to the point, directly to the brain (common sense).......

I watched the video, and what I got out of it was that he was saying the justice system cannot handle the increase there will be. So, because law enforcement might be overwhelmed we should stop enforcing the laws? It seems that is the thinking that got us into the trouble to begin with. People always talk about the jobs these people do, what about the companies and contractors who don't pay them a decent wage, and some don't pay them at all? Immigration reform is necessary and this is Arizona's way of yelling for help. You heard what bill said about the tuscon(?) area, it was bankrupt. the county is bankrupt and cannot handle the large amounts of people that are on the streets, both citizen and none citizen. I was actually watching this when it aired and thought about you. Is there a areason you didnt also post the discussion with juan williams from earlier, I will try and find it for you. I just don't see the hate you do. Sorry, just as I am sure you don't see other laws the same way I do.

mikepegg44

But you guys have been strong advocates of the bill, based on your wealth of knowledge and reasoning- and have stood in the way of progress/common sense-


Hmmmm sounds pretty condescending to me. But i guess I just didn't get what you meant

and if you really want to get into it, show me the quote where I said i was for this bill. Please, I was for the rights of the state of arizona to pass this law, I was really against all the lies that were being spread about it by the MSM(giggle away SCB) and the administration. That is all, they changed the wording in the bill to appease political pressures, nothing more. And more so to defend the police officers who were being likened to fucking nazis. So please, again show me where I said I was for the bill. Because quite frankly, I don't remember ever saying that.

mikepegg44

Just fucking pm me

FiveB247x

Soy para el derecho de una mujeres de escoger. Yo también pienso que todos en el sitio web deben escribir en ambos inglés y español.

I am for a women's right to choose. I also think everyone on the website should write in both english and spanish.

cajunkiwi wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

I think we should abort all threads pertaining to the topic

scb wrote:

You mean here or in my abortion thread? 'Cuz new abortion data just came out today!

I, personally, believe in a woman's right to choose whether or not she wants a new thread.

mikepegg44

FiveB247x wrote:

Soy para el derecho de una mujeres de escoger. Yo también pienso que todos en el sitio web deben escribir en ambos inglés y español.

I am for a women's right to choose. I also think everyone on the website should write in both english and spanish.

cajunkiwi wrote:

I, personally, believe in a woman's right to choose whether or not she wants a new thread.

both of these comments made me smile.

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cajunkiwi wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

I think we should abort all threads pertaining to the topic

scb wrote:

You mean here or in my abortion thread? 'Cuz new abortion data just came out today!

I, personally, believe in a woman's right to choose whether or not she wants a new thread.

Thanks!!

Hey! Have you ever noticed that s/he has teeth and s/he doesn't? What's up with that?

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FiveB247x wrote:

Soy para el derecho de una mujeres de escoger. Yo también pienso que todos en el sitio web deben escribir en ambos inglés y español.

I am for a women's right to choose. I also think everyone on the website should write in both english and spanish.

cajunkiwi wrote:

FiveB247x wrote:

I think we should abort all threads pertaining to the topic

I, personally, believe in a woman's right to choose whether or not she wants a new thread.

Awesome! Bueno!

unsung

FiveB247x wrote:

Yo también pienso que todos en el sitio web deben escribir en ambos inglés y español.

I also think everyone on the website should write in both english and spanish.

cough cough puke

unsung

I have a question for all of you illegal alien fans.

As the bill is written what group is its' intended target? I don't want your interpretation of it, I want to know the law.