Noam Chomsky on Obama and our current path

2»

Comments

  • KDH12
    KDH12 Posts: 2,096
    scb wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    the extreme left is also fanning the flame with there hatred for fellow Americans

    I'll probably regret asking, but, Huh? :?


    +1

    aerial at time you make Rush look good....
    **CUBS GO ALL THE WAY IN......never **
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    aerial wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    Great post...of course some on here will accuse this person of being a uninformed uneducated redneck racist....Right?

    Do you agree with Noam Chomsky?


    when there is total disruption of a country .....when there is no equal justice for the people, capitalism is a bad, the president ignores the people and then ridicules them, Christians are ridiculed yet, Muslims are praised ......people will then agree to anything, thinking, anything is better than what we are doing now.... it’s a plan to pit citizens against each other.....yes I agree...but it is not just the tea party....the extreme left is also fanning the flame with there hatred for fellow Americans

    Is there really a problem when the people want Washington to follow the Constitution, stop the corruption, and be accountable?

    I'm confused... it seems as if you are trying to justify reasons for people (Tea Partiers?) to be pissed off - with delusions or at least grandiose ideas - but then in the same breathe you condemn them by saying you agree with Chomsky's opinion that it is the birth of a fascist movement. Or maybe you got the wrong idea about that article? Did you think it was saying that they are JUSTIFIED in their approach?
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • WaveCameCrashin
    WaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    DriftingByTheStorm wrote:
    Tens of millions of activists worldwide still remain trapped by this scam, failing to recognize the inherent autocratic and elitist structures of Marxism-Leninism or the newer incarnation under Chomsky.


    http://antinewworldorder.blogspot.com/2 ... x.htmlMarx publicly urged the working class to overthrow the capitalists (the wealthy who profited from the Stock Exchange), in June, 1864, "in a letter to his uncle, Leon Phillips, Marx announced that he had made 400 pounds on the Stock Exchange." It is obvious that Marx didn't practice what he preached, and therefore didn't really believe in the movement he was giving birth to. He was an employee, doing a job for his Illuminati bosses.


    imagine that.... :idea:
  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,826
    Am I the only one that didn't think that Chomsky was referring the Tea Partiers as the fascists, but more the current and past administrations as headed towards fascism?
  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,826
    michelle822 wrote:
    Drowned Out wrote:
    Naomi Wolf touched on this in greater detail (10 specific steps, actually) a few years back:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc
    (this has been posted here before)

    Yes, and then recently she has said that she thinks Tea Party anger is the solution to fascism here.

    I love this link here.

    I do believe that Naomi Wolf has seen the roots of the TEA Party movement through her speaking engagements, which did actually start at towards the end of the Bush's tenure, when it was small, and 100% sincere before being co-opted by FOXNEWS. Has anyone here seen the movie NETWORK? I feel the sentiment expressed in that great piece of art applies here and always.

    It's just like the people on this board asking, "Where are the Anti-War protesters now?" and "Where were you when Bush was spending out of control and growing the size of government?" The truth is, there are still people pounding the pavement against the war, and there WERE people out there protesting the increasing size of government. The X-factor is the mainstream media, and who they choose to cover, and specifically which individual groups within the larger movement. I've got news for you. From here, until the end of time, someone somewhere is always going to compare our President to Hitler, and hold up signs of that guy with a 1-inch moustache. Some presidents will be more deserving of it than others.

    Boycott mainstream media-- our ideas aren't really all that much different than each others, but this force has the ability to polarize us all. Divide and conquer? I think so.
  • Indifference
    Indifference Posts: 2,778
    Rush chimes in:

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 50622.html

    SHOW COUNT: (170) 1990's=3, 2000's=53, 2010/20's=114, US=124, CAN=15, Europe=20 ,New Zealand=4, Australia=5
    Mexico=1, Colombia=1 



  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    michelle822 wrote:
    he still stands wrote:
    I don't really have a fear of the tea-party people being a serious threat or something to be worried about. Maybe that makes me polyanna, but I think the big difference between 21st century USA and 1920s Weimar Republic is that we live in a world where information is everywhere and accessible at anytime, and even though most of it is propaganda, there is a huge percentage - maybe even the majority of us - who know where to get accurate information. Back then, getting accurate information was next to impossible, so there was a small dissident voice to fight against fascism.

    I pretty much thought the same thing when I read that - Chomsky is really over-simplifying what was going on in Germany at that time. They were in the equivalent of the Great Depression (30%+ unemployment plus outrageous inflation) and suffering under the requirements of the Versailles Treaty which they wanted the gov't to do something about. Plus, their democracy was in its infancy - compare that to the U.S. system. Chomsky wasn't there. My grandmother was, I suppose I could ask her if she thinks the current level of anger in the US compares but she hasn't even mentioned it so I'm guessing she hasn't been having any Nazi-flashbacks lately.
    Bingo
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    VINNY GOOMBA wrote:
    Am I the only one that didn't think that Chomsky was referring the Tea Partiers as the fascists, but more the current and past administrations as headed towards fascism?

    no, I think Aerial thought that too judging from her comments about how (I'm paraphrasing here) people would regard this guy (Chomsky) as some redneck racist... I think that meant that she thought that the Tea Partiers are the righteous ones calling out the fascists... not that Chomsky's point is that the Tea Partiers ARE the fascists, at least potentially. I thought it was funny that a supposed Tea Partier AGREED with Noam Chomsky. He is calling Tea Partiers and their media lords NAZIS, for Christ's sake!
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • Drowned Out
    Drowned Out Posts: 6,056
    he still stands wrote:
    VINNY GOOMBA wrote:
    Am I the only one that didn't think that Chomsky was referring the Tea Partiers as the fascists, but more the current and past administrations as headed towards fascism?

    no, I think Aerial thought that too judging from her comments about how (I'm paraphrasing here) people would regard this guy (Chomsky) as some redneck racist... I think that meant that she thought that the Tea Partiers are the righteous ones calling out the fascists... not that Chomsky's point is that the Tea Partiers ARE the fascists, at least potentially. I thought it was funny that a supposed Tea Partier AGREED with Noam Chomsky. He is calling Tea Partiers and their media lords NAZIS, for Christ's sake!
    I think you're both right and both wrong :D
    IMO he's just comparing the political atmosphere in your country to that of pre Nazi era Germany - I don't see any direct comparisons on either side. He's sympathizing with the Tea Party and their motives, yet comparing their support of the right to the pre-Nazi German public attitude (criticizing them for supporting potentially fascist ideals)....He also criticizes the admin for being in bed with the bankers (a trait of a fascist admin). he's just saying it's folly to ignore them or write them off as nuts or ignorant, or an insignificant minority, because this is how things started in Germany. He also negates mention of Fox's role in promoting the Tea Party. that's my take anyway.
    Wolf, however, clearly calls the admin the fascists in her seminar.
  • aerial
    aerial Posts: 2,319
    VINNY GOOMBA wrote:
    Am I the only one that didn't think that Chomsky was referring the Tea Partiers as the fascists, but more the current and past administrations as headed towards fascism?
    Thats what I read....
    “We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
  • he still stands
    he still stands Posts: 2,835
    aerial wrote:
    VINNY GOOMBA wrote:
    Am I the only one that didn't think that Chomsky was referring the Tea Partiers as the fascists, but more the current and past administrations as headed towards fascism?
    Thats what I read....

    You seriously think that Chomsky is calling the current administration (Obama) fascist?

    Do you know what a fascist is? Or are you one of those people who thinks it means "that evil person who doesn't agree with me?"

    He was saying that people have a right to be pissed, and to be pissed at Obama. Then he gives reasons why. Then he explains why their alternative opinion reminds him of fascism. That's it...

    fuck man, people are calling Obama a socialist and now some of the SAME PEOPLE think he is a fascist?

    I'm done I can't read this shit anymore...
    Everything not forbidden is compulsory and eveything not compulsory is forbidden. You are free... free to do what the government says you can do.
  • VINNY GOOMBA
    VINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,826
    he still stands wrote:
    aerial wrote:
    VINNY GOOMBA wrote:
    Am I the only one that didn't think that Chomsky was referring the Tea Partiers as the fascists, but more the current and past administrations as headed towards fascism?
    Thats what I read....

    You seriously think that Chomsky is calling the current administration (Obama) fascist?

    Do you know what a fascist is? Or are you one of those people who thinks it means "that evil person who doesn't agree with me?"

    He was saying that people have a right to be pissed, and to be pissed at Obama. Then he gives reasons why. Then he explains why their alternative opinion reminds him of fascism. That's it...

    fuck man, people are calling Obama a socialist and now some of the SAME PEOPLE think he is a fascist?

    I'm done I can't read this shit anymore...

    In the economical sense, most of our presidents have been fascist for decades by supporting the merger of corporation and state. Which of our presidents have been opposed to The Federal Reserve, or have done anything to discourage the growth of the military industrial complex?
  • _
    _ Posts: 6,657
    he still stands wrote:
    You seriously think that Chomsky is calling the current administration (Obama) fascist?

    Do you know what a fascist is? Or are you one of those people who thinks it means "that evil person who doesn't agree with me?"

    He was saying that people have a right to be pissed, and to be pissed at Obama. Then he gives reasons why. Then he explains why their alternative opinion reminds him of fascism. That's it...

    fuck man, people are calling Obama a socialist and now some of the SAME PEOPLE think he is a fascist?

    I'm done I can't read this shit anymore...

    :thumbup: Great post - especially the part I bolded. :)
  • michelleelise
    michelleelise Posts: 346
    I think it might be fair to say Chomsky sees degrees of fascism in all of our Presidents :) He believes that America essentially has a one-party system with minor differences between Dems and Reps.

    Anyway, if you think you might agree with him then here he is expanding on the excerpts in the article...

    On Disillusionment with Obama:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfG1FKMWn7o

    Conservative Media Fulfill Need for Answers:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzYFdnfG9uw

Categories