Juliette Lewis

Hugh Freaking Dillon

She has a new 5 song EP she just finished, produced and co written with brad Schultz of cage the elephant. No word yet on release date, but she's opening some gigs for CTE. Man, that would be a killer show.

HughFreakingDillon

she's got two new songs on iTunes. Hello Hello and Any Way You Want.

Spiritual_Chaos

Hugh Freaking Dillon said:

arq wrote:

Ricsard wrote:

...is a member of the Church of Scientology

:shock: Well there it goes my respect for her...

ummmm........why???? you judge someone based on their religion????

Why not.

HughFreakingDillon

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Why not.

why should it make a difference? sure, Scientologists seem a bit whacky, but aren't all religious people? why one moreso than another?

PJ_Soul

arq said:

Ricsard wrote:

...is a member of the Church of Scientology

:shock: Well there it goes my respect for her...

Yeah, me too. I didn't know this, and my opinion of her was just lowered by a fair bit. What an idiot.
Still, great actor. No one can say that Scientologists can't act, hahaha. Never listened to her music really, except for a few demos she did as a back up singer with Joseph Arthur at some point (who she had an LTR with some time ago, and they're still friends).

Spiritual_Chaos

HughFreakingDillon said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Why not.

why should it make a difference? sure, Scientologists seem a bit whacky, but aren't all religious people? why one moreso than another?

Yes all people. Never said anything about "moreso". But there are obviously degrees of lunacy.

PJ_Soul

What? Of course some religions are way more wacko than others. Many, many things make this so.

goldrush

It shouldn't make any difference what her religious beliefs are, her songs aren't religious and neither are her shows. If she was preaching between songs all the time then it may be different. Personally I think Juliette is pretty cool, and her live shows definitely kick ass!

Side note - she stood on my shoulders at Lollapalooza in 07 when she crowd surfed mid-song

PJ_Soul

goldrush said:

It shouldn't make any difference what her religious beliefs are, her songs aren't religious and neither are her shows. If she was preaching between songs all the time then it may be different. Personally I think Juliette is pretty cool, and her live shows definitely kick ass!

Side note - she stood on my shoulders at Lollapalooza in 07 when she crowd surfed mid-song

Yeah, when only listening (or watching) I agree. I still love Tom Cruise movies too, and Men in Black is a good movie trilogy. Scie tologists are still wacko jobs though. It's not even a real religion. It is this weird, twisted money-making scam that has its toes dipped in cultism. As someone very interested in the affects if religion (and things pretending to be), I feel like finding out that a well-known actress who I like is a Scientologist is noteworthy,and yes, as being a Scientologist is necessarily a huge part of who someone is, it is relevant that an artist is one IMO. Beliefs and world views dictate art.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

goldrush said:

It shouldn't make any difference what her religious beliefs are, her songs aren't religious and neither are her shows. If she was preaching between songs all the time then it may be different. Personally I think Juliette is pretty cool, and her live shows definitely kick ass!

Side note - she stood on my shoulders at Lollapalooza in 07 when she crowd surfed mid-song

Yeah, when only listening (or watching) I agree. I still love Tom Cruise movies too, and Men in Black is a good movie trilogy. Scie tologists are still wacko jobs though. It's not even a real religion. It is this weird, twisted money-making scam that has its toes dipped in cultism. As someone very interested in the affects if religion (and things pretending to be), I feel like finding out that a well-known actress who I like is a Scientologist is noteworthy,and yes, as being a Scientologist is necessarily a huge part of who someone is, it is relevant that an artist is one IMO. Beliefs and world views dictate art.

not necessarily. that depends on the person entirely. I can name one song that is remotely religous by JL, "all is for god" on Terra Incognita. I don't like it, as the entire song is pretty much that line on repeat. But the rest, out of all 4 albums, nothing.

I find it harder to like an artist when I know they are a dick in real life, like Billy Corgan. it pains me to buy his shit knowing I'm giving my money to an asshole.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

goldrush said:

It shouldn't make any difference what her religious beliefs are, her songs aren't religious and neither are her shows. If she was preaching between songs all the time then it may be different. Personally I think Juliette is pretty cool, and her live shows definitely kick ass!

Side note - she stood on my shoulders at Lollapalooza in 07 when she crowd surfed mid-song

Yeah, when only listening (or watching) I agree. I still love Tom Cruise movies too, and Men in Black is a good movie trilogy. Scie tologists are still wacko jobs though. It's not even a real religion. It is this weird, twisted money-making scam that has its toes dipped in cultism. As someone very interested in the affects if religion (and things pretending to be), I feel like finding out that a well-known actress who I like is a Scientologist is noteworthy,and yes, as being a Scientologist is necessarily a huge part of who someone is, it is relevant that an artist is one IMO. Beliefs and world views dictate art.

not necessarily. that depends on the person entirely. I can name one song that is remotely religous by JL, "all is for god" on Terra Incognita. I don't like it, as the entire song is pretty much that line on repeat. But the rest, out of all 4 albums, nothing.

I find it harder to like an artist when I know they are a dick in real life, like Billy Corgan. it pains me to buy his shit knowing I'm giving my money to an asshole.

I didn't mean to say that her art contains direct religious messages. They obviously don't (I wouldn't like her at all as an artist if they did - that would make her a fucking Scientologist propagandist). I meant in a more subtle way. A person's world views and beliefs do indeed dictate their art one way or another. I'm talking on a deeper level.
For me, I don't actually have to like an artist at all (or, say, a sports figure). It's just nice when they don't do shit that I find horrible. It's not a deal breaker. If a huge asshole makes amazing music, I'm really not going to give a shit at the end of the day. I just see liking their personalities or messages to the world as a bonus.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

goldrush said:

It shouldn't make any difference what her religious beliefs are, her songs aren't religious and neither are her shows. If she was preaching between songs all the time then it may be different. Personally I think Juliette is pretty cool, and her live shows definitely kick ass!

Side note - she stood on my shoulders at Lollapalooza in 07 when she crowd surfed mid-song

Yeah, when only listening (or watching) I agree. I still love Tom Cruise movies too, and Men in Black is a good movie trilogy. Scie tologists are still wacko jobs though. It's not even a real religion. It is this weird, twisted money-making scam that has its toes dipped in cultism. As someone very interested in the affects if religion (and things pretending to be), I feel like finding out that a well-known actress who I like is a Scientologist is noteworthy,and yes, as being a Scientologist is necessarily a huge part of who someone is, it is relevant that an artist is one IMO. Beliefs and world views dictate art.

not necessarily. that depends on the person entirely. I can name one song that is remotely religous by JL, "all is for god" on Terra Incognita. I don't like it, as the entire song is pretty much that line on repeat. But the rest, out of all 4 albums, nothing.

I find it harder to like an artist when I know they are a dick in real life, like Billy Corgan. it pains me to buy his shit knowing I'm giving my money to an asshole.

I didn't mean to say that her art contains direct religious messages. They obviously don't (I wouldn't like her at all as an artist if they did - that would make her a fucking Scientologist propagandist). I meant in a more subtle way. A person's world views and beliefs do indeed dictate their art one way or another. I'm talking on a deeper level.
For me, I don't actually have to like an artist at all (or, say, a sports figure). It's just nice when they don't do shit that I find horrible. It's not a deal breaker. If a huge asshole makes amazing music, I'm really not going to give a shit at the end of the day. I just see liking their personalities or messages to the world as a bonus.

then why is being a scientologist relevant to you if you enjoy the music and she isn't doing anything horrible?

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

goldrush said:

It shouldn't make any difference what her religious beliefs are, her songs aren't religious and neither are her shows. If she was preaching between songs all the time then it may be different. Personally I think Juliette is pretty cool, and her live shows definitely kick ass!

Side note - she stood on my shoulders at Lollapalooza in 07 when she crowd surfed mid-song

Yeah, when only listening (or watching) I agree. I still love Tom Cruise movies too, and Men in Black is a good movie trilogy. Scie tologists are still wacko jobs though. It's not even a real religion. It is this weird, twisted money-making scam that has its toes dipped in cultism. As someone very interested in the affects if religion (and things pretending to be), I feel like finding out that a well-known actress who I like is a Scientologist is noteworthy,and yes, as being a Scientologist is necessarily a huge part of who someone is, it is relevant that an artist is one IMO. Beliefs and world views dictate art.

not necessarily. that depends on the person entirely. I can name one song that is remotely religous by JL, "all is for god" on Terra Incognita. I don't like it, as the entire song is pretty much that line on repeat. But the rest, out of all 4 albums, nothing.

I find it harder to like an artist when I know they are a dick in real life, like Billy Corgan. it pains me to buy his shit knowing I'm giving my money to an asshole.

I didn't mean to say that her art contains direct religious messages. They obviously don't (I wouldn't like her at all as an artist if they did - that would make her a fucking Scientologist propagandist). I meant in a more subtle way. A person's world views and beliefs do indeed dictate their art one way or another. I'm talking on a deeper level.
For me, I don't actually have to like an artist at all (or, say, a sports figure). It's just nice when they don't do shit that I find horrible. It's not a deal breaker. If a huge asshole makes amazing music, I'm really not going to give a shit at the end of the day. I just see liking their personalities or messages to the world as a bonus.

then why is being a scientologist relevant to you if you enjoy the music and she isn't doing anything horrible?

Because it tints my whole view of her (and I didn't say she wasn't doing anything horrible. I think being a Scientologist and supporting that sham of an organization is horrible in its own right). Also, I don't enjoy her music, lol. Just her acting.

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

goldrush said:

It shouldn't make any difference what her religious beliefs are, her songs aren't religious and neither are her shows. If she was preaching between songs all the time then it may be different. Personally I think Juliette is pretty cool, and her live shows definitely kick ass!

Side note - she stood on my shoulders at Lollapalooza in 07 when she crowd surfed mid-song

Yeah, when only listening (or watching) I agree. I still love Tom Cruise movies too, and Men in Black is a good movie trilogy. Scie tologists are still wacko jobs though. It's not even a real religion. It is this weird, twisted money-making scam that has its toes dipped in cultism. As someone very interested in the affects if religion (and things pretending to be), I feel like finding out that a well-known actress who I like is a Scientologist is noteworthy,and yes, as being a Scientologist is necessarily a huge part of who someone is, it is relevant that an artist is one IMO. Beliefs and world views dictate art.

not necessarily. that depends on the person entirely. I can name one song that is remotely religous by JL, "all is for god" on Terra Incognita. I don't like it, as the entire song is pretty much that line on repeat. But the rest, out of all 4 albums, nothing.

I find it harder to like an artist when I know they are a dick in real life, like Billy Corgan. it pains me to buy his shit knowing I'm giving my money to an asshole.

I didn't mean to say that her art contains direct religious messages. They obviously don't (I wouldn't like her at all as an artist if they did - that would make her a fucking Scientologist propagandist). I meant in a more subtle way. A person's world views and beliefs do indeed dictate their art one way or another. I'm talking on a deeper level.
For me, I don't actually have to like an artist at all (or, say, a sports figure). It's just nice when they don't do shit that I find horrible. It's not a deal breaker. If a huge asshole makes amazing music, I'm really not going to give a shit at the end of the day. I just see liking their personalities or messages to the world as a bonus.

then why is being a scientologist relevant to you if you enjoy the music and she isn't doing anything horrible?

Because it tints my whole view of her (and I didn't say she wasn't doing anything horrible. I think being a Scientologist and supporting that sham of an organization is horrible in its own right). Also, I don't enjoy her music, lol. Just her acting.

but someone being an asshole in general doesn't? Not trying to harp, I just don't understand how one can be relevant and the other not be.

PJ_Soul

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

goldrush said:

It shouldn't make any difference what her religious beliefs are, her songs aren't religious and neither are her shows. If she was preaching between songs all the time then it may be different. Personally I think Juliette is pretty cool, and her live shows definitely kick ass!

Side note - she stood on my shoulders at Lollapalooza in 07 when she crowd surfed mid-song

Yeah, when only listening (or watching) I agree. I still love Tom Cruise movies too, and Men in Black is a good movie trilogy. Scie tologists are still wacko jobs though. It's not even a real religion. It is this weird, twisted money-making scam that has its toes dipped in cultism. As someone very interested in the affects if religion (and things pretending to be), I feel like finding out that a well-known actress who I like is a Scientologist is noteworthy,and yes, as being a Scientologist is necessarily a huge part of who someone is, it is relevant that an artist is one IMO. Beliefs and world views dictate art.

not necessarily. that depends on the person entirely. I can name one song that is remotely religous by JL, "all is for god" on Terra Incognita. I don't like it, as the entire song is pretty much that line on repeat. But the rest, out of all 4 albums, nothing.

I find it harder to like an artist when I know they are a dick in real life, like Billy Corgan. it pains me to buy his shit knowing I'm giving my money to an asshole.

I didn't mean to say that her art contains direct religious messages. They obviously don't (I wouldn't like her at all as an artist if they did - that would make her a fucking Scientologist propagandist). I meant in a more subtle way. A person's world views and beliefs do indeed dictate their art one way or another. I'm talking on a deeper level.
For me, I don't actually have to like an artist at all (or, say, a sports figure). It's just nice when they don't do shit that I find horrible. It's not a deal breaker. If a huge asshole makes amazing music, I'm really not going to give a shit at the end of the day. I just see liking their personalities or messages to the world as a bonus.

then why is being a scientologist relevant to you if you enjoy the music and she isn't doing anything horrible?

Because it tints my whole view of her (and I didn't say she wasn't doing anything horrible. I think being a Scientologist and supporting that sham of an organization is horrible in its own right). Also, I don't enjoy her music, lol. Just her acting.

but someone being an asshole in general doesn't? Not trying to harp, I just don't understand how one can be relevant and the other not be.

No, you've misread what I said. Either way it doesn't. Asshole, Scientologist, whatever. They are both equally relevant as far as my liking their art vs that part of them that I don't like goes, and they're not deal breakers. As I said, I'm really not going to give a shit at the end of the day (at some point you seemed to have decided I said Scientology is a deal breaker maybe, or worse than other qualities I don't like?? I didn't).

HughFreakingDillon

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

PJ_Soul said:

goldrush said:

It shouldn't make any difference what her religious beliefs are, her songs aren't religious and neither are her shows. If she was preaching between songs all the time then it may be different. Personally I think Juliette is pretty cool, and her live shows definitely kick ass!

Side note - she stood on my shoulders at Lollapalooza in 07 when she crowd surfed mid-song

Yeah, when only listening (or watching) I agree. I still love Tom Cruise movies too, and Men in Black is a good movie trilogy. Scie tologists are still wacko jobs though. It's not even a real religion. It is this weird, twisted money-making scam that has its toes dipped in cultism. As someone very interested in the affects if religion (and things pretending to be), I feel like finding out that a well-known actress who I like is a Scientologist is noteworthy,and yes, as being a Scientologist is necessarily a huge part of who someone is, it is relevant that an artist is one IMO. Beliefs and world views dictate art.

not necessarily. that depends on the person entirely. I can name one song that is remotely religous by JL, "all is for god" on Terra Incognita. I don't like it, as the entire song is pretty much that line on repeat. But the rest, out of all 4 albums, nothing.

I find it harder to like an artist when I know they are a dick in real life, like Billy Corgan. it pains me to buy his shit knowing I'm giving my money to an asshole.

I didn't mean to say that her art contains direct religious messages. They obviously don't (I wouldn't like her at all as an artist if they did - that would make her a fucking Scientologist propagandist). I meant in a more subtle way. A person's world views and beliefs do indeed dictate their art one way or another. I'm talking on a deeper level.
For me, I don't actually have to like an artist at all (or, say, a sports figure). It's just nice when they don't do shit that I find horrible. It's not a deal breaker. If a huge asshole makes amazing music, I'm really not going to give a shit at the end of the day. I just see liking their personalities or messages to the world as a bonus.

then why is being a scientologist relevant to you if you enjoy the music and she isn't doing anything horrible?

Because it tints my whole view of her (and I didn't say she wasn't doing anything horrible. I think being a Scientologist and supporting that sham of an organization is horrible in its own right). Also, I don't enjoy her music, lol. Just her acting.

but someone being an asshole in general doesn't? Not trying to harp, I just don't understand how one can be relevant and the other not be.

No, you've misread what I said. Either way it doesn't. Asshole, Scientologist, whatever. They are both equally relevant as far as my liking their art vs that part of them that I don't like goes, and they're not deal breakers. As I said, I'm really not going to give a shit at the end of the day (at some point you seemed to have decided I said Scientology is a deal breaker maybe, or worse than other qualities I don't like?? I didn't).

fair enough. I thought you did say that.

goldrush

I kinda get what you're saying PJ_Soul. However, as someone with no interest or belief in any form of religion, Juliette being a Scientologist is no different to me than, say, Beck being one. He doesn't preach at his shows or in his sings so it's not an issue.

If it hadn't been mentioned on this thread then I would never have known any different.

HughFreakingDillon

goldrush said:

I kinda get what you're saying PJ_Soul. However, as someone with no interest or belief in any form of religion, Juliette being a Scientologist is no different to me than, say, Beck being one. He doesn't preach at his shows or in his sings so it's not an issue.

If it hadn't been mentioned on this thread then I would never have known any different.

yeah, that's the crux of it for me. I like Ed Kowalczyk's music, but his lyrics are far too preachy to get into. it's too bad. he's very talented.

PJ_Soul

goldrush said:

I kinda get what you're saying PJ_Soul. However, as someone with no interest or belief in any form of religion, Juliette being a Scientologist is no different to me than, say, Beck being one. He doesn't preach at his shows or in his sings so it's not an issue.

If it hadn't been mentioned on this thread then I would never have known any different.

Ugh! I wish you hadn't reminded me that Beck is a Scientologist, lol. I just found that out last month, and it bugged me (I'm talking normal levels of being bugged given the context folks, haha). Well, basically.... I think anyone who believes that shit is a huge idiot on one level or another. And nobody likes to find out that a musician (or actor) they admire is an idiot. Does it make me like his music any less? No. In fact I am anxiously awaiting his Odelay and Sea Change reissues. He is a musical genius. Does it make me lose respect for him as a person (in the context of how we feel about famous people whose work we know, but don't know personally)? Yeah, it does. I have no qualms saying that about Scientologists at all. The whole thing is a scam, and anyone who would fall for that sham of a "church" is a fool (who is easily parted from their money).

HughFreakingDillon

she's got a new EP out, Future Deep. Kinda sounds like she tapped one of the guys from Cage The Elephant to play or produce or both. Digging it.