Video from Tax Day protest

JOEJOEJOE

Where were these people when the Bush administration started digging the huge financial hole in which we find ourselves today?

aerial

scb wrote:

aerial wrote:

I don’t think there has ever been a country that has done more for minorities that the USA........We are not a racist country....

That sounds like something a slave owner would say about himself.

You can’t refute it so you throw out the insults comparing me to a slave owner.....at least you are original with your insults....haven’t had that one thrown at me till now....

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aerial wrote:

scb wrote:

aerial wrote:

I don’t think there has ever been a country that has done more for minorities that the USA........We are not a racist country....

That sounds like something a slave owner would say about himself.

You can’t refute it so you throw out the insults comparing me to a slave owner.....at least you are original with your insults....haven’t had that one thrown at me till now....

I wasn't trying to refute it or insult you. (Should you be the one to prove it, anyway?) I was referring to your paternalistic and marginalizing tone.

aerial

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Where were these people when the Bush administration started digging the huge financial hole in which we find ourselves today?

because people do not accept Pres Obama's actions does not align them with Pres Bush. We learned a while ago it's ok to oppose both sides of an issue.


But I guess it is much easier to just point a finger and say well look how bad he was. Does this help you look towards the future by living in the past? It is like comparing the lesser of two evils. But unless you see that once you start comparing you have already missed the point.

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aerial wrote:

JOEJOEJOE wrote:

Where were these people when the Bush administration started digging the huge financial hole in which we find ourselves today?

because people do not accept Pres Obama's actions does not align them with Pres Bush. We learned a while ago it's ok to oppose both sides of an issue.


But I guess it is much easier to just point a finger and say well look how bad he was. Does this help you look towards the future by living in the past? It is like comparing the lesser of two evils. But unless you see that once you start comparing you have already missed the point.

I think his point - and he can correct me if I'm wrong - is that many/most of the people being discussed DIDN'T/DON'T oppose both sides of the issue. (And I believe cajunkiwi already explained the problem with that.)

aerial

This has to be the most repeated question on the MT....and I, like most others have said we did not agree with Bush either....Most of THESE people feel the same ...so why keep asking the same question?....because you think this some how demonizes The Tea Party?...what answer are you looking for?

Is there really a problem when the people want Washington to follow the Constitution, and stop the corruption, and demand accountability?

cajunkiwi

aerial wrote:

The race card is getting sooo old....I don’t think there has ever been a country that has done more for minorities that the USA........We are not a racist country....You need to try and come up with something better than that... :idea:

America is not a racist country... yet "there has ever been a country that has done more for minorities that the USA." Based on what, exactly? That sounds like some pretty cocky holier-than-thou stuff if you ask me. I notice a lot of the "America is the greatest!" people do nothing more than compare America to countries in the Middle East. "We are the best because we have freedoms!" Guess what - so does most of the rest of the world! The Scandinavian countries are streets ahead of the USA in most quality of life calculations. Hell, they even put my own country to shame.

So what exactly has America done for minorities that gives you the leeway to make a statement like that? Should I poll some Native Americans and ask them how well they were treated? Maybe I should ask some African Americans who were alive before 1964 and ask them how awesome it was to be an American who wasn't allowed to sit with "fellow" Americans who had white skin. Lynchings must've been so much fun for African Americans - they probably feel bummed out that there hasn't been one in... 12 years. I mean, nothing says "I don’t think there has ever been a country that has done more for minorities that the USA" quite like three Texans dragging an African American father of three behind a truck before dumping his remains in a cemetery and heading off to a bbq. And I'm sure the kids in Jena who started the controversy there four years ago were merely trying to invite the black students to play spelling games with them when they hung nooses from a tree in the schoolyard.

I can't speak for the rest of the world, because I only have first hand knowledge of New Zealand and America, but I can already call bullshit on your statement because NZ puts the USA to shame when it comes to treatment of minorities. We didn't own slaves. We didn't banish the Maori to reservations. We have two official languages - English and Maori. Have we always had racial harmony? Hell no - the late 1800s were a shitty time to be Maori in New Zealand. But we apologized, the Maori still own their tribal lands, and they're fully integrated in everyday life. We all get along just fine. We celebrate our differences - the Maori even have their own TV channel, and Maori culture is VERY prominent in everyday life. If you want to know what traditional Maori life is like, you can visit a marae. If you want to know what traditional Native American life was like... what are your options? Rent "Dances with Wolves?" Hell, we've even treated women better than the USA has historically. What was the first country in the world to give women the right to vote? New Zealand. We were also the first country in the world to create welfare programs for the elderly.

You may live in a racism-free part of America, but here in the Deep South, I can tell you that it's still alive and well. If you don't believe me, come to Jazz Fest and I'll introduce you to my father-in-law. He's "educated" me on a lot of things... like the fact that Africa should be the one apologizing for slavery because the South did nothing wrong (he has referred to the era of slave ownership as the "golden era" in American history), and the fact that he won't let my sister-in-law take her son with her if she moves overseas to get her doctorate because he refuses to see his grandson be raised by foreigners. Well, I'm sure the next generation of Texans will be smarter at least, after they have grown up with the benefit of an education free of any mention of how Mexicans helped shape the US.

In short, my Pearl Jam-loving friend, you're full of baloney. While the majority of Americans might not have a racist bone in their body, the country as a whole still has plenty of blood under its fingernails - and some of that blood is still very fresh. If you honestly think that no country has done more for minorities than the USA, then you need to go and take some classes in history and geography. There are a lot of things Americans can justifiably be extremely proud of when it comes to their country, but treatment of minorities is certainly not one of them.

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aerial wrote:

This has to be the most repeated question on the MT....and I, like most others have said we did not agree with Bush either....Most of THESE people feel the same ...so why keep asking the same question?....because you think this some how demonizes The Tea Party?...what answer are you looking for?

Is there really a problem when the people want Washington to follow the Constitution, and stop the corruption, and demand accountability?

I think the point is being repeated because the inaction under Bush - whether or not you agreed with him (and I, personally, believe that most people in this movement supported him) - but outcry under Obama demonstrates a hypocrisy indicative of an ulterior motive.

And of course there's not a problem with wanting Washington to follow the Constitution, stop the corruption, and be accountable. The problem comes when you act like you get to define what these things mean and then accuse other groups of not wanting the same things because they disagree with you.

cajunkiwi

aerial wrote:

This has to be the most repeated question on the MT....and I, like most others have said we did not agree with Bush either....Most of THESE people feel the same ...so why keep asking the same question?....because you think this some how demonizes The Tea Party?...what answer are you looking for?

Is there really a problem when the people want Washington to follow the Constitution, and stop the corruption, and demand accountability?

There is absolutely no problem with that at all. If the people aren't demanding excellence from their politicians, and if they're not holding them to high standards, then they're wasting a perfectly good Constitution.

My point - and I'll try to make it in fewer than 1,000 paragraphs this time (I'm a writer, so I tend to get wordy - sorry) - is that for all of the things Bush did wrong, he never faced the sheer level of outrage and opposition that Obama is currently facing. There are plenty of people on AMT who get pissed off when people suggest the Tea Party might have racial undertones... but look at it from an outsider's point of view. Bush ruined the economy and trampled on the rights of ordinary Americans, and people got (justifiably) pissed off and staged a few rallies to protest.

But all of a sudden Barack Hussein Obama runs for president, and you have people questioning whether or not he's even an American (a question that was answered in 2008, even though 20% of Americans still don't believe it) and claiming he's a Muslim who sympathizes with terrorists. All of a sudden those rallies that were loosely attended under Bush are being sponsored by a news network, and 70,000 people are showing up to protest. Not only that, but the points they're arguing AREN'T VALID. Taxed Enough Already? 95% of the country just got a tax cut, and tax rates are the lowest they've been in years. A foreigner shouldn't be running the country. No, a foreigner shouldn't be, and isn't allowed to be - but the current president was born in America. The economy sucks. Yes, the economy sucks, but don't lay the blame at the feet of the guy trying to fix it, take the protest to Crawford and march on the home of the man who screwed it up. Why did the debt swell in Obama's first budget? Because he factored in the War on Terror expenditure, something Bush kept out. So, in reality, Bush's deficit was much larger than he declared it to be.

So what conclusion should the average person on the street draw? Bush got a free pass, but Obama has a news network sponsoring rallies where 70,000 people show up to accuse him of things that aren't valid.

I'm still not sure why it took until Obama, a literate guy who at least appears to be trying to fix some of the problems, took office for this movement to form and get mobilized. Bush did some atrocious things as president, but CNN wasn't out there inviting 70,000 people to march on Washington to protest against him.

aerial

cajunkiwi wrote:

aerial wrote:

The race card is getting sooo old....I don’t think there has ever been a country that has done more for minorities that the USA........We are not a racist country....You need to try and come up with something better than that... :idea:

America is not a racist country... yet "there has ever been a country that has done more for minorities that the USA." Based on what, exactly? That sounds like some pretty cocky holier-than-thou stuff if you ask me. I notice a lot of the "America is the greatest!" people do nothing more than compare America to countries in the Middle East. "We are the best because we have freedoms!" Guess what - so does most of the rest of the world! The Scandinavian countries are streets ahead of the USA in most quality of life calculations. Hell, they even put my own country to shame.

So what exactly has America done for minorities that gives you the leeway to make a statement like that? Should I poll some Native Americans and ask them how well they were treated? Maybe I should ask some African Americans who were alive before 1964 and ask them how awesome it was to be an American who wasn't allowed to sit with "fellow" Americans who had white skin. Lynchings must've been so much fun for African Americans - they probably feel bummed out that there hasn't been one in... 12 years. I mean, nothing says "I don’t think there has ever been a country that has done more for minorities that the USA" quite like three Texans dragging an African American father of three behind a truck before dumping his remains in a cemetery and heading off to a bbq. And I'm sure the kids in Jena who started the controversy there four years ago were merely trying to invite the black students to play spelling games with them when they hung nooses from a tree in the schoolyard.

I can't speak for the rest of the world, because I only have first hand knowledge of New Zealand and America, but I can already call bullshit on your statement because NZ puts the USA to shame when it comes to treatment of minorities. We didn't own slaves. We didn't banish the Maori to reservations. We have two official languages - English and Maori. Have we always had racial harmony? Hell no - the late 1800s were a shitty time to be Maori in New Zealand. But we apologized, the Maori still own their tribal lands, and they're fully integrated in everyday life. We all get along just fine. We celebrate our differences - the Maori even have their own TV channel, and Maori culture is VERY prominent in everyday life. If you want to know what traditional Maori life is like, you can visit a marae. If you want to know what traditional Native American life was like... what are your options? Rent "Dances with Wolves?" Hell, we've even treated women better than the USA has historically. What was the first country in the world to give women the right to vote? New Zealand. We were also the first country in the world to create welfare programs for the elderly.

You may live in a racism-free part of America, but here in the Deep South, I can tell you that it's still alive and well. If you don't believe me, come to Jazz Fest and I'll introduce you to my father-in-law. He's "educated" me on a lot of things... like the fact that Africa should be the one apologizing for slavery because the South did nothing wrong (he has referred to the era of slave ownership as the "golden era" in American history), and the fact that he won't let my sister-in-law take her son with her if she moves overseas to get her doctorate because he refuses to see his grandson be raised by foreigners. Well, I'm sure the next generation of Texans will be smarter at least, after they have grown up with the benefit of an education free of any mention of how Mexicans helped shape the US.

In short, my Pearl Jam-loving friend, you're full of baloney. While the majority of Americans might not have a racist bone in their body, the country as a whole still has plenty of blood under its fingernails - and some of that blood is still very fresh. If you honestly think that no country has done more for minorities than the USA, then you need to go and take some classes in history and geography. There are a lot of things Americans can justifiably be extremely proud of when it comes to their country, but treatment of minorities is certainly not one of them.

First of all The Africans sold there own people
.....I do not agree with hatred or violence against other humans and I don’t condone what was done to the Indians....But The Indians are set up now....
.....now check out how many laws protect the White man just because he is white....
Then see how many laws protect, the so called minorities....
These are not my feelings..just facts...so don't even try and spin it into something it is not please...
I rest my case!

cajunkiwi

aerial wrote:

cajunkiwi wrote:

aerial wrote:

The race card is getting sooo old....I don’t think there has ever been a country that has done more for minorities that the USA........We are not a racist country....You need to try and come up with something better than that... :idea:

America is not a racist country... yet "there has ever been a country that has done more for minorities that the USA." Based on what, exactly? That sounds like some pretty cocky holier-than-thou stuff if you ask me. I notice a lot of the "America is the greatest!" people do nothing more than compare America to countries in the Middle East. "We are the best because we have freedoms!" Guess what - so does most of the rest of the world! The Scandinavian countries are streets ahead of the USA in most quality of life calculations. Hell, they even put my own country to shame.

So what exactly has America done for minorities that gives you the leeway to make a statement like that? Should I poll some Native Americans and ask them how well they were treated? Maybe I should ask some African Americans who were alive before 1964 and ask them how awesome it was to be an American who wasn't allowed to sit with "fellow" Americans who had white skin. Lynchings must've been so much fun for African Americans - they probably feel bummed out that there hasn't been one in... 12 years. I mean, nothing says "I don’t think there has ever been a country that has done more for minorities that the USA" quite like three Texans dragging an African American father of three behind a truck before dumping his remains in a cemetery and heading off to a bbq. And I'm sure the kids in Jena who started the controversy there four years ago were merely trying to invite the black students to play spelling games with them when they hung nooses from a tree in the schoolyard.

I can't speak for the rest of the world, because I only have first hand knowledge of New Zealand and America, but I can already call bullshit on your statement because NZ puts the USA to shame when it comes to treatment of minorities. We didn't own slaves. We didn't banish the Maori to reservations. We have two official languages - English and Maori. Have we always had racial harmony? Hell no - the late 1800s were a shitty time to be Maori in New Zealand. But we apologized, the Maori still own their tribal lands, and they're fully integrated in everyday life. We all get along just fine. We celebrate our differences - the Maori even have their own TV channel, and Maori culture is VERY prominent in everyday life. If you want to know what traditional Maori life is like, you can visit a marae. If you want to know what traditional Native American life was like... what are your options? Rent "Dances with Wolves?" Hell, we've even treated women better than the USA has historically. What was the first country in the world to give women the right to vote? New Zealand. We were also the first country in the world to create welfare programs for the elderly.

You may live in a racism-free part of America, but here in the Deep South, I can tell you that it's still alive and well. If you don't believe me, come to Jazz Fest and I'll introduce you to my father-in-law. He's "educated" me on a lot of things... like the fact that Africa should be the one apologizing for slavery because the South did nothing wrong (he has referred to the era of slave ownership as the "golden era" in American history), and the fact that he won't let my sister-in-law take her son with her if she moves overseas to get her doctorate because he refuses to see his grandson be raised by foreigners. Well, I'm sure the next generation of Texans will be smarter at least, after they have grown up with the benefit of an education free of any mention of how Mexicans helped shape the US.

In short, my Pearl Jam-loving friend, you're full of baloney. While the majority of Americans might not have a racist bone in their body, the country as a whole still has plenty of blood under its fingernails - and some of that blood is still very fresh. If you honestly think that no country has done more for minorities than the USA, then you need to go and take some classes in history and geography. There are a lot of things Americans can justifiably be extremely proud of when it comes to their country, but treatment of minorities is certainly not one of them.

First of all The Africans sold there own people
.....I do not agree with hatred or violence against other humans and I don’t condone what was done to the Indians....But The Indians are set up now....
.....now check out how many laws protect the White man just because he is white....
Then see how many laws protect, the so called minorities....
These are not my feelings..just facts...so don't even try and spin it into something it is not please...
I rest my case!

Yes, the Africans did sell their own people... but, to boil down basic economic theory to the bare bones, there is no supply without demand. I don't think people were being placed on boats in Africa and being shipped to America with the words "Hey, see if anyone wants you, and if not, come back and we'll get you a job here" ringing in their ears.

And the Indians are "set up now?" Have you visited any reservations lately and seen some of the conditions they live in? It's not exactly Pleasantville. And it's not like they're on their home turf, either. The Trail of Tears wasn't a circular route. "Hey, Cherokee, welcome back to Georgia! Yeah, I don't know where the peaches went either."

aerial

cajunkiwi wrote:

aerial wrote:

This has to be the most repeated question on the MT....and I, like most others have said we did not agree with Bush either....Most of THESE people feel the same ...so why keep asking the same question?....because you think this some how demonizes The Tea Party?...what answer are you looking for?

Is there really a problem when the people want Washington to follow the Constitution, and stop the corruption, and demand accountability?

There is absolutely no problem with that at all. If the people aren't demanding excellence from their politicians, and if they're not holding them to high standards, then they're wasting a perfectly good Constitution.

My point - and I'll try to make it in fewer than 1,000 paragraphs this time (I'm a writer, so I tend to get wordy - sorry) - is that for all of the things Bush did wrong, he never faced the sheer level of outrage and opposition that Obama is currently facing. There are plenty of people on AMT who get pissed off when people suggest the Tea Party might have racial undertones... but look at it from an outsider's point of view. Bush ruined the economy and trampled on the rights of ordinary Americans, and people got (justifiably) pissed off and staged a few rallies to protest.

But all of a sudden Barack Hussein Obama runs for president, and you have people questioning whether or not he's even an American (a question that was answered in 2008, even though 20% of Americans still don't believe it) and claiming he's a Muslim who sympathizes with terrorists. All of a sudden those rallies that were loosely attended under Bush are being sponsored by a news network, and 70,000 people are showing up to protest. Not only that, but the points they're arguing AREN'T VALID. Taxed Enough Already? 95% of the country just got a tax cut, and tax rates are the lowest they've been in years. A foreigner shouldn't be running the country. No, a foreigner shouldn't be, and isn't allowed to be - but the current president was born in America. The economy sucks. Yes, the economy sucks, but don't lay the blame at the feet of the guy trying to fix it, take the protest to Crawford and march on the home of the man who screwed it up. Why did the debt swell in Obama's first budget? Because he factored in the War on Terror expenditure, something Bush kept out. So, in reality, Bush's deficit was much larger than he declared it to be.

So what conclusion should the average person on the street draw? Bush got a free pass, but Obama has a news network sponsoring rallies where 70,000 people show up to accuse him of things that aren't valid.

I'm still not sure why it took until Obama, a literate guy who at least appears to be trying to fix some of the problems, took office for this movement to form and get mobilized. Bush did some atrocious things as president, but CNN wasn't out there inviting 70,000 people to march on Washington to protest against him.

Can you prove to me Fox is sponsoring rallies?.....because I sure would like to get my traveling expenses paid?...........or are they covering the news? Is is not justified just because it did not start when Bush was in office?...
I can’t help the fact Bush sucked and there were no rallies.....well there were the anti-war demonstrators....I see your point but you have to admit that question is mostly to derail the debate....
( I am not a writer so please excuse the grammatical mistakes)

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cajunkiwi wrote:

So what exactly has America done for minorities that gives you the leeway to make a statement like that? Should I poll some Native Americans and ask them how well they were treated? Maybe I should ask some African Americans who were alive before 1964 and ask them how awesome it was to be an American who wasn't allowed to sit with "fellow" Americans who had white skin. Lynchings must've been so much fun for African Americans - they probably feel bummed out that there hasn't been one in... 12 years.

Now that I think about it, I think I understand the basis of her perspective on this. (I'm sure she'll correct me if I'm wrong, but, even so, I think this is the notion behind these types of statements in general.) I think people believe we've done so much for minorities because they think, look how far we've come. Like, because there are such fewer lynchings now than before, obviously we've done great things for the minorities of this country. An analogy, I think, would be to say that if we paid the people of color in the United States $0.01 on ever $1.00 received by white folks who do the same job, and then we improved the situation so as to pay them $0.50 on every $1.00, we've done a lot more than the countries who haven't done anything for minorities because they already paid them equally. Does that make sense? It's about the magnitude of change being greater, not about the actual treatment of minorities.

Of course this attitude is rooted in an underlying sense of entitlement, paternalism, etc. on the part of the folks in the majority who think this way. To think that we have "done more" for a group of people just because we have treated them with the equality they deserve (and, in the US, we haven't even done that) suggests that we don't TRULY have a sense that they deserve it to begin with, ya know? (I think it's very similar to the sentiment that wealthy corporations/people should be able to get rich by exploiting the poor, and then if the poor want to a bigger share of the money earned by their own labor, that means they're expecting a handout.) Essentially, I think we disempower minorities, etc. because we can, and then exalt ourselves (a la aerial) for giving them back even some of the power they should have had to begin with, all the while not seeing any problem with our system that gives us the power to distribute to begin with.

cajunkiwi wrote:

What was the first country in the world to give women the right to vote? New Zealand.

That's cool; I didn't know that. :thumbup:

cajunkiwi wrote:

You may live in a racism-free part of America, but here in the Deep South, I can tell you that it's still alive and well. If you don't believe me, come to Jazz Fest and I'll introduce you to my father-in-law. He's "educated" me on a lot of things... like the fact that Africa should be the one apologizing for slavery because the South did nothing wrong (he has referred to the era of slave ownership as the "golden era" in American history), and the fact that he won't let my sister-in-law take her son with her if she moves overseas to get her doctorate because he refuses to see his grandson be raised by foreigners. Well, I'm sure the next generation of Texans will be smarter at least, after they have grown up with the benefit of an education free of any mention of how Mexicans helped shape the US.

Please don't contribute to the stereotype of the South as the only/primary racist part of the United States. I can assure you, racism exists throughout this nation. And I think stereotyping the South as being the only racist faction of the country not only does an injustice to them, but it also allows the rest of the country to disregard the racism in their own backyards.

inmytree

aerial wrote:

This has to be the most repeated question on the MT....and I, like most others have said we did not agree with Bush either....Most of THESE people feel the same ...so why keep asking the same question?....because you think this some how demonizes The Tea Party?...what answer are you looking for?

Is there really a problem when the people want Washington to follow the Constitution, and stop the corruption, and demand accountability?

and you won't answer the most repeated question on the MT...because you know the answer is not a good one for you and other teabaggers...

the teabaggers were cheering on the rush to war...and defending bush tooth and nail...that's where the teabag crowd was during the bush years...

and you know it...

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aerial wrote:

First of all The Africans sold there own people
.....I do not agree with hatred or violence against other humans and I don’t condone what was done to the Indians....But The Indians are set up now....
.....now check out how many laws protect the White man just because he is white....
Then see how many laws protect, the so called minorities....
These are not my feelings..just facts...so don't even try and spin it into something it is not please...
I rest my case!

Wow. Just... WOW. :shock: You really never cease to amaze me. Sometimes I think you're not even serious, but are just saying the most assinine shit you can think of just to piss people off.

Personally, I don't think the Tea Party movement, as a group, is motivated primarily by racism. But I can certainly see why so many people think it is with people like you representing them. If you want to allow people to maintain any shred of respect they may have had for your movement, you should just stop talking now.

aerial

scb wrote:

aerial wrote:

First of all The Africans sold there own people
.....I do not agree with hatred or violence against other humans and I don’t condone what was done to the Indians....But The Indians are set up now....
.....now check out how many laws protect the White man just because he is white....
Then see how many laws protect, the so called minorities....
These are not my feelings..just facts...so don't even try and spin it into something it is not please...
I rest my case!

Wow. Just... WOW. :shock: You really never cease to amaze me. Sometimes I think you're not even serious, but are just saying the most assinine shit you can think of just to piss people off.

Personally, I don't think the Tea Party movement, as a group, is motivated primarily by racism. But I can certainly see why so many people think it is with people like you representing them. If you want to allow people to maintain any shred of respect they may have had for your movement, you should just stop talking now.

First of all
I cannot help that there were slaves....I can’t help there are different colors of skin in this world......so don’t try and put that on my back or the Tea Party.....I just stated facts that’s it......Oh and I asked a question that I see no one wants to answer ..........Name any legislation that was passed to help a person ONLY because they are white....

I see how racism held this black man down
A black man becomes President of The United States of America and some still want to harp on slavery....get over it!!!!!

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aerial wrote:

scb wrote:

aerial wrote:

First of all The Africans sold there own people
.....I do not agree with hatred or violence against other humans and I don’t condone what was done to the Indians....But The Indians are set up now....
.....now check out how many laws protect the White man just because he is white....
Then see how many laws protect, the so called minorities....
These are not my feelings..just facts...so don't even try and spin it into something it is not please...
I rest my case!

Wow. Just... WOW. :shock: You really never cease to amaze me. Sometimes I think you're not even serious, but are just saying the most assinine shit you can think of just to piss people off.

Personally, I don't think the Tea Party movement, as a group, is motivated primarily by racism. But I can certainly see why so many people think it is with people like you representing them. If you want to allow people to maintain any shred of respect they may have had for your movement, you should just stop talking now.

First of all
I cannot help that there were slaves....I can’t help there are different colors of skin in this world......so don’t try and put that on my back or the Tea Party.....I just stated facts that’s it......Oh and I asked a question that I see no one wants to answer ..........Name any legislation that was passed to help a person ONLY because they are white....

I see how racism held this black man down
A black man becomes President of The United States of America and some still want to harp on slavery....get over it!!!!!

Of course you can't help that there were slaves - neither can I or any of the rest of us. But you don't have to make excuses for the slave owners by trying to shift the blame back to Africans, as if white Americans had nothing to do with it. Your implication is offensive and racist... and it's ironic that you said this right after acting outraged that I might compare something you said to something a slave owner might say.

I'm not trying to put slavery or the fact that there are different colors of skin in this world (as if that's some kind of problem? :? ) on the Tea Party or you.

I am, however, accusing you of being a hateful, ignorant racist.

What the fuck difference does it make whether there has been any legislation that has passed to help a person only because s/he is white?? Frankly, there hasn't been any legislation passed to help a person ONLY because s/he is a person of color either... legislation has been passed to help a person because s/he is a person of color AND because people of color get fucked in this country. When white people, as a group, start getting fucked merely because of the color of their skin, then and only then should we address whether there should be similar laws to protect them.

And regarding getting over racism just because Obama was elected, the people of this country will & should get over racism ONLY if & when racism completely ceases to exist - not just because one half-black man has been elected to our highest political office.

Edit to add: If you have such a problem with people fighting against racism, then STOP PERPETUATING RACISM and we won't have anything to fight against.

KDH12

aerial wrote:

The race card is getting sooo old....I don’t think there has ever been a country that has done more for minorities that the USA........We are not a racist country....You need to try and come up with something better than that... :idea:

79% of Americans do not trust the Government...Miller (a guest on O’Riley) was wondering who the other idiots are that do think the Government is doing a good job..... ...looks like they are here posting on the MT

what have we done for minorities, in particular what have we done that other countries have not done?

specifics please

the right to vote?
affirmative action?

why should we be so high and mighty?

aerial

inmytree wrote:

aerial wrote:

This has to be the most repeated question on the MT....and I, like most others have said we did not agree with Bush either....Most of THESE people feel the same ...so why keep asking the same question?....because you think this some how demonizes The Tea Party?...what answer are you looking for?

Is there really a problem when the people want Washington to follow the Constitution, and stop the corruption, and demand accountability?

and you won't answer the most repeated question on the MT...because you know the answer is not a good one for you and other teabaggers...

the teabaggers were cheering on the rush to war...and defending bush tooth and nail...that's where the teabag crowd was during the bush years...

and you know it...

I have answered it....so why don’t you try and comprehend what the Tea Party is instead of repeating others.....do you REALLY think these people enjoy war.......most of these people are parents and I don't know anyone that hates war more than parents

aerial

KDH12 wrote:

aerial wrote:

The race card is getting sooo old....I don’t think there has ever been a country that has done more for minorities that the USA........We are not a racist country....You need to try and come up with something better than that... :idea:

79% of Americans do not trust the Government...Miller (a guest on O’Riley) was wondering who the other idiots are that do think the Government is doing a good job..... ...looks like they are here posting on the MT

what have we done for minorities, in particular what have we done that other countries have not done?

specifics please

the right to vote?
affirmative action?

why should we be so high and mighty?

Look I was not trying to be high and mighty and I could be wrong That USA have done the most...really I have no facts on that...that was an emotional response to another person saying that Tea Party people hate Obama because he is black......but I do know that we have passed so much legislation to try and even the field for all Americans and we even have a black (or half...not that it matters how black or white a person is) in the White House as the President of the USA, yet people (white people mostly) still get tagged racist when defending them selves............geez even someone else on here said he is half black....so how do we keep coming back to the racist thing....is it just a response to piss people off? Is it meant to derail the conversation?