Barack Obama vs. Ron Paul

unsung

Yes I'm voting for Ron Paul. It doesn't matter who he runs against.

WaveCameCrashin

Ron Paul
all though I don't agree with him on everything he is by far more of a constituionalist than Obama could ever be.

gabers

I wish the Republicans had enough balls and brains to nominate Ron Paul. And I wish the Dems had enough balls and brains to nominate Kucinich. Instead, we're left with a bunch of wingnuts and a middle of the road Dem president.

yahamita

I would vote for Ron Paul AGAIN!!! NOBAMA for me..I didn't trust him this last election.

yahamita

KDH12 wrote:

Doesn't Ron Paul want to do away with several departments within the federal government like the Dept of Education?

He is pushing to have the Federal Reserve audited. Didn't hear anything about education.

gimmesometruth27

yahamita wrote:

KDH12 wrote:

Doesn't Ron Paul want to do away with several departments within the federal government like the Dept of Education?

He is pushing to have the Federal Reserve audited. Didn't hear anything about education.

shouldn't you find that out before voting? its kind of important...

yahamita

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

yahamita wrote:

KDH12 wrote:

Doesn't Ron Paul want to do away with several departments within the federal government like the Dept of Education?

He is pushing to have the Federal Reserve audited. Didn't hear anything about education.

shouldn't you find that out before voting? its kind of important...

I know enough to know I hate Obama and would vote for Krusty the Clown before I put a socialist/non-American, non- Constutionalist into office. My conscience won't allow it to happen.

unsung

The reason there is talk of that is to give states back their own programs and eliminate those programs at the federal level. The Feds have too much power and this balances things out.

gimmesometruth27

yahamita wrote:

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I know enough to know I hate Obama and would vote for Krusty the Clown before I put a socialist/non-American, non- Constutionalist into office. My conscience won't allow it to happen.

are you serious? socialist, non american, where is your proof of that?

yahamita

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

yahamita wrote:

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I know enough to know I hate Obama and would vote for Krusty the Clown before I put a socialist/non-American, non- Constutionalist into office. My conscience won't allow it to happen.

are you serious? socialist, non american, where is your proof of that?

Where is HIS proof that he is American? He should be PROUD to show off his birth certificate if he was actually born here..

Starfall

yahamita wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

yahamita wrote:

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I know enough to know I hate Obama and would vote for Krusty the Clown before I put a socialist/non-American, non- Constutionalist into office. My conscience won't allow it to happen.

are you serious? socialist, non american, where is your proof of that?

Where is HIS proof that he is American? He should be PROUD to show off his birth certificate if he was actually born here..

He's shown his Hawaii birth certificate already. It was certified as authentic by the Republican governor of Hawaii, AND there are even birth announcements from newspapers at the time.
This conspiracy theory has been debunked over and over again, and yet some people still can't let it go.

mikepegg44

KDH12 wrote:

I think that state governments should be either eliminated or significantly scaled down, there is no need for states to have two houses with as many members as they have......IMO

wait ... what? I am maybe not understanding you, can you clarify this statement?

edit* yikes, I hate when I move to fast and forget to check spelling

gimmesometruth27

yahamita wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

yahamita wrote:

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I know enough to know I hate Obama and would vote for Krusty the Clown before I put a socialist/non-American, non- Constutionalist into office. My conscience won't allow it to happen.

are you serious? socialist, non american, where is your proof of that?

Where is HIS proof that he is American? He should be PROUD to show off his birth certificate if he was actually born here..

where is your proof he is a socialist? or are you one of the unfortunate ones that have been brainwashed into believing that by fox news and conservative talk radio? do you know what a socialist is?

mikepegg44

starfall wrote:

If that were all that separates him from Barack Obama, then I'd consider voting for Paul. But as we all know, he espouses some horribly radical and extreme ideas - from voting against an override of Bush's veto of the stem cell research bill,

to be fair there is a reason he voted against federally funded stem cell research and it isn't simply because he is Pro-life.

this is a quote from a speech Paul gave in 2005 . . .

"The question that should concern Congress today is: Does the US government have the constitutional authority to fund any form of stem cell research? The clear answer to that question is no. A proper constitutional position would reject federal funding for stem cell research, while allowing individual states and private citizens to decide whether to permit, ban, or fund this research. Therefore, I must vote against HR 810.

... he goes on to say

"Federal funding of medical research guarantees the politicization of decisions about what types of research for what diseases will be funded. Thus, scarce tax resources are allocated according to who has the most effective lobby rather than on the basis of need or even likely success".

starfall wrote:

repealing birthright citizenship,

Why is this horribly radical and extreme? It seems pretty level headed to me. Especially in a country that is trying to provide health care for ALL its citizens. Many western countries have already moved to eliminating this practice.


to answer the original post, I would vote for Obama again because I think a president deserves time to enact his policies and he was given such a hugely rotten deal when he moved into the presidency that I think he deserves another term. That is unless the next couple years prove that his policies are extremely poor. If that is the case I will vote for someone else.

cajunkiwi

yahamita wrote:

I know enough to know I hate Obama and would vote for Krusty the Clown before I put a socialist/non-American, non- Constutionalist into office. My conscience won't allow it to happen.

Normally I try to refrain from making personal attacks... but... did someone have to help you log on to use the internet? Do you even know what socialism is?

And how stupid do you have to be to still believe the non-American stuff? Let me guess... the moon landing was faked, and bigfoot is also totally real and goes snowboarding with you every July...

keeponrockin

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

I do realize that it funds people's college educations. Maybe that's why the cost of an education is so high, seeing as how there is an infinite money machine to pay for the education of "millions," as you put it. Take that away, and schools might not be able to charge as much as they currently charge. Also, within that process of paying for all of those education, wealth is transferred through either taxation or dollar devaluation because of inflation in the money supply.

And really, states can't decide what's best for themselves? Are all 50 states not capable of thinking on their own without Uncle Sam? Or are you suggesting that maybe there's four or five whole states that can't figure "Education" out on their own? That line of thinking seems a bit elitist to me. Is there still not a vast difference in education between New Jersey and Mississippi even with this ever-important Federal Department of Education in place?

But not to worry, it wouldn't be the first thing Dr. Paul phased out or eliminated. I would think that eliminating most of the spending on maintaining an overseas empire would be the first focus of his administration.

Faulty logic. In Canada, 2/3s of our education is paid for by the government, making my tuition bills about 7 grand a year.

cajunkiwi

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

KDH12 wrote:

And really, states can't decide what's best for themselves? Are all 50 states not capable of thinking on their own without Uncle Sam? Or are you suggesting that maybe there's four or five whole states that can't figure "Education" out on their own?

Actually, yeah, I live in one. I'm fairly certain a lot of Louisianans couldn't spell "education" - this is, after all, a state that still has segregated schools. Still. In 2010. If the state government was actually put 100% in charge of the education system here, I wouldn't blame the other 49 states for throwing Louisiana out.

yahamita

are you serious? socialist, non american, where is your proof of that?[/quote]
Where is HIS proof that he is American? He should be PROUD to show off his birth certificate if he was actually born here..[/quote]

He's shown his Hawaii birth certificate already. It was certified as authentic by the Republican governor of Hawaii, AND there are even birth announcements from newspapers at the time.
This conspiracy theory has been debunked over and over again, and yet some people still can't let it go.[/quote]
Please post a site where I can review, thanks

yahamita

cajunkiwi wrote:

yahamita wrote:

I know enough to know I hate Obama and would vote for Krusty the Clown before I put a socialist/non-American, non- Constutionalist into office. My conscience won't allow it to happen.

Normally I try to refrain from making personal attacks... but... did someone have to help you log on to use the internet? Do you even know what socialism is?

And how stupid do you have to be to still believe the non-American stuff? Let me guess... the moon landing was faked, and bigfoot is also totally real and goes snowboarding with you every July...

Thanks for the bash, but here in Oregon, we DO believe in Bigfoot! many sitings around the Cascade Lakes, and if you believe that Obama will pay all your bills and everyone else will be responsible for your shortcomings and your lack of self motivation to succeed and make your own way, then you are def on the right track to Obamanation...and where is all this proof that he is American? I am NOT a republican, but a constitutionalist, but I guess you find it ok to change or get rid of this valuable document? Are you in your 20's by the way?

gimmesometruth27

yahamita wrote:

cajunkiwi wrote:

yahamita wrote:

I know enough to know I hate Obama and would vote for Krusty the Clown before I put a socialist/non-American, non- Constutionalist into office. My conscience won't allow it to happen.

Normally I try to refrain from making personal attacks... but... did someone have to help you log on to use the internet? Do you even know what socialism is?

And how stupid do you have to be to still believe the non-American stuff? Let me guess... the moon landing was faked, and bigfoot is also totally real and goes snowboarding with you every July...

Thanks for the bash, but here in Oregon, we DO believe in Bigfoot! many sitings around the Cascade Lakes, and if you believe that Obama will pay all your bills and everyone else will be responsible for your shortcomings and your lack of self motivation to succeed and make your own way, then you are def on the right track to Obamanation...and where is all this proof that he is American? I am NOT a republican, but a constitutionalist, but I guess you find it ok to change or get rid of this valuable document? Are you in your 20's by the way?

regarding the large font, point one, where did he EVER, EVER say that any of that was going to happen? this is the exact same bullshit accusations thrown about by beck and limbaugh.

being ignorant must be a terrible burden..i would imagine it would be like the myth of Sisyphus...



as for the second point, what does anyone's age have to do with anything?? most change and progress comes from young people with young minds that see the way things could be instead of dwelling on how bad things are. the former is for the young, the latter is what the old do...