An honest question regarding the Tea Party and voting

FiveB247x

Perhaps slightly, but many invite it because many of the complaints are aimed and centered around Obama, Dems, the left, etc directly instead of focusing on some of the issues mentioned in this thread. Which could potentially get more backing if it weren't partisan and slanted.

aerial wrote:

Republican Are just trying to jump on the Tea Party Train.......Personally I wish Sarah Palin would get off...and I like the women (or used to) she seems to be turning into just your run of the mill politician

aerial

FiveB247x wrote:

I can't speak for others, but I have read several people have posted on here (from members themselves) and albeit, some of the notions are things we could all get behind, there's no real translation into how participating will lead to change. Obviously these things don't happen over night, but simply saying you want x, doesn't make x happen. And no offense to you or other members of this group, simply saying things like "defending liberty, private property, the constitution and limited government" is a bit vague to say the least if you don't have a plan to actually enact on it.

aerial wrote:

The Tea Party is not as organized as the media seems to portray....which is what makes it so fascinating....The Tea Party has many members...All in all we are a large group of people that felt our elected officials were not listening to anyone other than lobbyist or special interest....we wanted to be heard .... we are a new and inExperienced at politics.......... without using a lawyer, an agent, and with out a publicist, all there is, is the media to give you the information that they WANT you to believe..... we are all parties, all races, all ethnicity and all Americans that want to Defending Liberty, Private Property, The Constitution, and Limited Government...to do that they feel it can be done by voting...
I challenge people to go to the Tea Party sites and inform there selves about the Tea Party.....then form an opinion........

I agree with you......it is vague...and there needs to be a plan.....but once that starts it's politics as usual.......any suggestions?
Maybe it started so simple as to think that if Washington saw Americans in numbers gather being peaceful not breaking laws but not happy with the way they were running the country they would say to themselves “my voters are not happy with what we are doing (or some would say “shit I’m busted I better stop lining my pockets with special interest or cooperate money) they are now paying attention I better listening to them...

pandora

FiveB247x wrote:

I have a question regarding the Tea Bag Party. Please note this is not a thread to argue their beliefs or some generalizations some may have for them, but merely an honest question. In the next election, who will they be voting for and why? It's unlikely they'd vote for any Democrat. Will they simply vote Republican or will they vote 3rd party? At the heart of their commentary, which they do make some valid points (even if they backed the same policies years back), how will they use the vote and election to change things? If they vote Republican, will they merely change by holding them to higher standards and continue this movement or will they merely check out once "their side" got back power? Will they vote 3rd party as a sign of disgust for what the two major parties have done and where they've led us? How will this play itself out?

Ron Paul

FiveB247x

Well I think one of the first orders of business if your intent is merely clean up DC in some fashion, is to get rid of any political partisan overtones in the movement completely. When this is the visible front in any fashion, it detracts from the meaning in an absolute manner and keeps people away. Once enough people take notice of a unbiased group gaining momentum, it will merely snowball from there.

aerial wrote:

I agree with you......it is vague...and there needs to be a plan.....but once that starts it's politics as usual.......any suggestions?
Maybe it started so simple as to think that if Washington saw Americans in numbers gather being peaceful not breaking laws but not happy with the way they were running the country they would say to themselves “my voters are not happy with what we are doing (or some would say “shit I’m busted I better stop lining my pockets with special interest or cooperate money) they are now paying attention I better listening to them...

aerial

FiveB247x wrote:

Well I think one of the first orders of business if your intent is merely clean up DC in some fashion, is to get rid of any political partisan overtones in the movement completely. When this is the visible front in any fashion, it detracts from the meaning in an absolute manner and keeps people away. Once enough people take notice of a unbiased group gaining momentum, it will merely snowball from there.

aerial wrote:

I agree with you......it is vague...and there needs to be a plan.....but once that starts it's politics as usual.......any suggestions?
Maybe it started so simple as to think that if Washington saw Americans in numbers gather being peaceful not breaking laws but not happy with the way they were running the country they would say to themselves “my voters are not happy with what we are doing (or some would say “shit I’m busted I better stop lining my pockets with special interest or cooperate money) they are now paying attention I better listening to them...

The people in the Tea Party know the movement does not support any party and anyone can join....I think that is one of the reasons it is snowballing now .....but the problem starts with the media spinning it to look like there are political partisan overtones in the movement . One side wants to ridicule the Tea Party and the other side wants to jump on the train.....Maybe it’s the media that needs cleaning up...boycott the Media?

FiveB247x

Yes while I agree with you that perhaps a good deal is media driven, but the people should make a conscience and concerted effort to make that part clear so there is no "spinning" so to speak. And albeit some of it isn't "partisan" but lots of it does have strong undertones which do distinguish right from left or vice-versa. If the unconditional goal is to gain support to get rid of private interests and similar, then there's tons of people on both sides that would be for it... but if you begin throwing in too many other issues which separate political lines.. it creates division and mitigates the aims.

aerial wrote:

The people in the Tea Party know the movement does not support any party and anyone can join....I think that is one of the reasons it is snowballing now .....but the problem starts with the media spinning it to look like there are political partisan overtones in the movement . One side wants to ridicule the Tea Party and the other side wants to jump on the train.....Maybe it’s the media that needs cleaning up...boycott the Media?

Jason P

I would hope that people that associate themselves with the Tea Party’s principles will show up in full force at the primaries and make a difference there by knocking down any incumbents of the party they are usually alligned with. If that fails, then vote again against any incumbents in the general election.

The biggest issue and that either a Democrat or Republican will still find themselves in office after the dust settles. But maybe some new blood will help lead to overall political reform.

Starfall

OK, let's get a few things in perspective:

The term "teabagger", while unintendedly hilarious, is a self inflicted wound:



Now, as to how the so called Tea Party movement will vote - this group is fundamentally indistinguishable from the Republican base. When push comes to shove, they will decidedly support the right wing fringe in DC - the same ones that gave us Sarah Palin, Jim DeMint, Michele Bachmann, and Joe Wilson. And given the current Republican party's push to purge "moderates" (see Charlie Crist) and "heretics" (see Ron Paul) from their ranks, I don't see how the so called Tea Party will support any other candidates. Plus, their biggest supporters are part of the same gang of right wing financiers that supported Republican candidates and causes.
Furthermore, while Ron Paul is often credited as the father of the modern Tea Party movement, these are not even the same people that supported Ron Paul back in 2006 - else why would Paul rate so low with them?
And speaking of Paul, if he's such a revered figure among the insurgent right,why is he facing challengers from the tea party ranks? Is it because he's been critical of the right wing fringe in the GOP?

aerial

Starfall wrote:

OK, let's get a few things in perspective:

The term "teabagger", while unintendedly hilarious, is a self inflicted wound:


Now, as to how the so called Tea Party movement will vote - this group is fundamentally indistinguishable from the Republican base. When push comes to shove, they will decidedly support the right wing fringe in DC - the same ones that gave us Sarah Palin, Jim DeMint, Michele Bachmann, and Joe Wilson. And given the current Republican party's push to purge "moderates" (see Charlie Crist) and "heretics" (see Ron Paul) from their ranks, I don't see how the so called Tea Party will support any other candidates. Plus, their biggest supporters are part of the same gang of right wing financiers that supported Republican candidates and causes.
Furthermore, while Ron Paul is often credited as the father of the modern Tea Party movement, these are not even the same people that supported Ron Paul back in 2006 - else why would Paul rate so low with them?
And speaking of Paul, if he's such a revered figure among the insurgent right,why is he facing challengers from the tea party ranks? Is it because he's been critical of the right wing fringe in the GOP?

more media bullshit...White and wealthy :roll:
Go to the Tea Party site and read

Starfall

aerial wrote:

more media bullshit...White and wealthy :roll:
Go to the Tea Party site and read

Why don't you refute the polls instead of just slamming it as bullshit?
Besides, there's several so called "Tea Party" groups - which one are you talking about?

aerial

Starfall wrote:

aerial wrote:

more media bullshit...White and wealthy :roll:
Go to the Tea Party site and read

Why don't you refute the polls instead of just slamming it as bullshit?
Besides, there's several so called "Tea Party" groups - which one are you talking about?

have you been to any Tea Party site and read what they are trying to do?
Which party are you talking about?

Starfall

aerial wrote:

Starfall wrote:

aerial wrote:

more media bullshit...White and wealthy :roll:
Go to the Tea Party site and read

Why don't you refute the polls instead of just slamming it as bullshit?
Besides, there's several so called "Tea Party" groups - which one are you talking about?

have you been to any Tea Party site and read what they are trying to do?
Which party are you talking about?

I'm asking you if you think the polls, which were conducted by professional pollsters, identifying the demographics of the so called "tea party", are so biased, why don't you refute the findings instead of simply branding it as "bullshit"?

You mean you don't know that there are several?
Tea Party Patriots
Tax Day Tea Party
Tea Party Express
Re-Tea Party
there's a lot more I found on Google.

So which is it?

Flagg

I don't know why this is even a question. They are going to vote Republican. Each and every one of them. Sorry, they may come out and say they have issues with both parties, but when it comes down to it in November they are voting Republican. They may be anti-incumbent, but their replacement candidate will be another Republican. They sure are not going to support any Democrat.

Starfall is correct. The Tea Party is virtually indistinguishable from the Republican Party. And that's fine. Go vote Republican if you want! I just wish they would admit it that's all.

It is funny though, the way they ignore the Patriot Act in all of their government intrusion rhetoric.

aerial

aerial wrote:

Starfall wrote:

OK, let's get a few things in perspective:

The term "teabagger", while unintendedly hilarious, is a self inflicted wound:


Now, as to how the so called Tea Party movement will vote - this group is fundamentally indistinguishable from the Republican base. When push comes to shove, they will decidedly support the right wing fringe in DC - the same ones that gave us Sarah Palin, Jim DeMint, Michele Bachmann, and Joe Wilson. And given the current Republican party's push to purge "moderates" (see Charlie Crist) and "heretics" (see Ron Paul) from their ranks, I don't see how the so called Tea Party will support any other candidates. Plus, their biggest supporters are part of the same gang of right wing financiers that supported Republican candidates and causes.
Furthermore, while Ron Paul is often credited as the father of the modern Tea Party movement, these are not even the same people that supported Ron Paul back in 2006 - else why would Paul rate so low with them?
And speaking of Paul, if he's such a revered figure among the insurgent right,why is he facing challengers from the tea party ranks? Is it because he's been critical of the right wing fringe in the GOP?

more media bullshit...White and wealthy :roll:
Go to the Tea Party site and read

I’m asking which one are you referring to on this post or are you just generalizing?
I am with the First Coast Tea Party. Every town organizes their own.

unsung

John Dennis and Rand Paul have my support.

Starfall

aerial wrote:

I’m asking which one are you referring to on this post or are you just generalizing?
I am with the First Coast Tea Party. Every town organizes their own.

I'm taking the results presented from the poll I linked to that show that this is a very male, very white, very wealthy, very conservative, very Republican, very old, group - which is no different from the Republican base:


So when you say "go to the Tea Party site and read" you have no idea which site to direct me to?

Cosmo

unsung wrote:

John Dennis and Rand Paul have my support.

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That's because you are more like a real independent.
But the Tea Party, in general... that is basically the militant wing of the Republican Party... sort of the way 'MoveOn.org' is a wing of the Democratic party (because, seriously, can you ever imagine seeing anyone in MoveOn.org ever voting for a Republican?). The Tea Party is a Republican off-shoot that will never vote for or support a Third Party candidate or a Democrat.