have you ever heard of a president or strike that, a politician, an elected official give a direct answer to a question? I am no obama fan, i didnt vote for the guy and think he is the same mold as everyone else, but he was packaged and sold to the american people as being different, but obama is not unique. I love how alot of people are furious in that they feel a president is lying to them. How is that different from every single president in our nations history?
To me, electoral politics is boring and useless. to expect some multimillionaire politician be they from midland or from chicago, or from wherever, to fix or to care about the problems of the everyman the common man is absolutely insane and has no basis in reality. yes i wish it were the case, but obama owes us nothing, or feels like he owes us nothing. we didnt fund his campaign. corporations did. he doesnt interact with the common man. how often do you think he personally meets and greets and listens to a widow of a soldier who died in the iraq and afghanistan wars? How often has he personally been to soldier funerals? How often do you think he personally comes into contact with people, who cant afford to live in their homes anymore and have lost their jobs?
The problem with the current activist scene, is the desire to change the system from within. change has never come from within the system its always come from pissed off, largely poor, largely people of color, who cant take it any longer and want things to change.
if you are waiting around for obama or any other politician to give you the time of day or to care one iota about you are anyone else, you are gonna be waiting a long long time.
his approval ratings aren't that bad, I think last I heard it was around 42% and better then the Republican Caucus
maybe lower then most presidents in the first few years of their first term but look at the state of the country when he took office..... Jesus would have low approval ratings in this mess[/quote]
The whole approval thing is valuable but skewed. Who are they asking in terms of approval ratings? Is it likely voters? Registered voters? The point is, every election cycle half the country doesnt vote. thats 150 million people at least. it always pisses me off when people say "oh bush got 50 percent of the vote" "kerry got 49 percent". No thats inaccurate. Kerry got 49 percent of 50 percent. thats nothing. its amazing no one talks about that. people wonder why the countries so split. that could be a part of it. a president that is elected with 51 percent of 50 percent of the nation? outrageous. again electoral politics is ridiculous.
have you ever heard of a president or strike that, a politician, an elected official give a direct answer to a question? I am no obama fan, i didnt vote for the guy and think he is the same mold as everyone else, but he was packaged and sold to the american people as being different, but obama is not unique. I love how alot of people are furious in that they feel a president is lying to them. How is that different from every single president in our nations history?
To me, electoral politics is boring and useless. to expect some multimillionaire politician be they from midland or from chicago, or from wherever, to fix or to care about the problems of the everyman the common man is absolutely insane and has no basis in reality. yes i wish it were the case, but obama owes us nothing, or feels like he owes us nothing. we didnt fund his campaign. corporations did. he doesnt interact with the common man. how often do you think he personally meets and greets and listens to a widow of a soldier who died in the iraq and afghanistan wars? How often has he personally been to soldier funerals? How often do you think he personally comes into contact with people, who cant afford to live in their homes anymore and have lost their jobs?
Bravo ! I couldnt agree with you more. Great
post Brother
The problem with the current activist scene, is the desire to change the system from within. change has never come from within the system its always come from pissed off, largely poor, largely people of color, who cant take it any longer and want things to change.
if you are waiting around for obama or any other politician to give you the time of day or to care one iota about you are anyone else, you are gonna be waiting a long long time.
government is full of people with selfish agendas with no concern for the public unless there is something in it for them and the people that do have honest motives are blasted by the media as cheats and lacking moral fiber,it all boils down to money and power..the golden rule. IMO.
Godfather.
the world is full of people with selfish agendas with no concern for others...
Oh really?
Please do tell. I'm really curious to why you think this is chock full of lies
Where do I start? Maybe from the beginning?
Despite the fact that he has some of the lowest approval ratings among recent presidents Uh...really?.
Barack Obama has plunged the country into levels of debt that we could not have previously imagined
Again, someone forgot about the last guy in office. Not to mention that Obama wouldn't have had to spend for stimulus had the previous tenant not trashed the place.
his efforts to nationalize health care have been met with fierce resistance nationwide
How the hell was he supposedly trying to "nationalize health care" when he didn't write the legislation, and the actual legislation didn't produce things like a public option, a Medicare buy in, a national insurance exchange, or any such stuff?
TARP bailouts and stimulus spending have shown little positive effect on the national economy
Uh... the last President signed the TARP. Obama didn't write the stimulus bill, and if the stimulus wasn't strong enough, I blame that on the Republican obstructionism to reduce actual stimulus (like infrastructure spending) and heap more on tax cuts (which have minimal stimulus impact).
... I'm really not in the mood to go line by line to refute all that nonsense. I think I made my point.
"It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
this is a great example of govermental control, I don't know what is true or false about nobama
but this e-mail I recieved is kind of interesting.
Godfather.
I THINK IT IS REMARKABLE THAT WITHIN A WEEK OF TIGER WOODS CRASHING HIS
ESCALADE, THE PRESS FOUND EVERY WOMAN WITH WHOM TIGER HAS HAD AN AFFAIR
IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, WITH PHOTOS, TEXT MESSAGES, RECORDED PHONE CALLS, ETC.
AND, THEY NOT ONLY KNOW THE CAUSE OF THE FAMILY FIGHT, BUT THEY EVEN KNOW IT
WAS A WEDGE FROM HIS GOLF BAG THAT HIS WIFE USED TO BREAK OUT THE WINDOWS
IN THE ESCALADE. NOT ONLY THAT, THEY KNOW WHICH WEDGE!
AND EACH AND EVER DAY, THEY GIVE AMERICA MORE UPDATES ON HIS SEX-REHAB STAY,
HIS WIFE'S PLANS FOR DIVORCE, AND HIS PLANS TO RETURN TO THE PRO-GOLF CIRCUIT.
OBAMA HAS BEEN IN OFFICE FOR OVER A YEAR NOW, AND THIS SAME PRESS STILL
CANNOT LOCATE OBAMA'S OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, OR ANY OF HIS PAPERS WHILE
IN COLLEGE, OR HOW HE PAID FOR A HARVARD EDUCATION, OR WHICH COUNTRY
ISSUED HIS VISA TO TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN IN THE 1980'S AS BARRY SORETORO AND
EVEN MICHELLE OBAMA'S PRINCETON THESIS ON RACISIM. IT JUST CAN'T BE FOUND?
YET THE PUBLIC STILL TRUSTS THAT SAME PRESS TO GIVE THEM
THE WHOLE TRUTH . . . TRULY REMARKABLE!
Barack Obama has plunged the country into levels of debt that we could not have previously imagined
4 times the debt that bush created and yet Obama has only been in office 14 months and unemployment is still at just below 10 % actually it's more when you factor in the people that can only find part time work.
Again, someone forgot about the last guy in office. Not to mention that Obama wouldn't have had to spend for stimulus had the previous tenant not trashed the place.
Yet you seem to forget who has had control of both houses for the last 4 years.
The only point you made is that you are in complete denial that this president is a complete disaster and is doesn't know what the hell he's doing.
this is a great example of govermental control, I don't know what is true or false about nobama
but this e-mail I recieved is kind of interesting.
Godfather.
I THINK IT IS REMARKABLE THAT WITHIN A WEEK OF TIGER WOODS CRASHING HIS
ESCALADE, THE PRESS FOUND EVERY WOMAN WITH WHOM TIGER HAS HAD AN AFFAIR
IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, WITH PHOTOS, TEXT MESSAGES, RECORDED PHONE CALLS, ETC.
AND, THEY NOT ONLY KNOW THE CAUSE OF THE FAMILY FIGHT, BUT THEY EVEN KNOW IT
WAS A WEDGE FROM HIS GOLF BAG THAT HIS WIFE USED TO BREAK OUT THE WINDOWS
IN THE ESCALADE. NOT ONLY THAT, THEY KNOW WHICH WEDGE!
AND EACH AND EVER DAY, THEY GIVE AMERICA MORE UPDATES ON HIS SEX-REHAB STAY,
HIS WIFE'S PLANS FOR DIVORCE, AND HIS PLANS TO RETURN TO THE PRO-GOLF CIRCUIT.
OBAMA HAS BEEN IN OFFICE FOR OVER A YEAR NOW, AND THIS SAME PRESS STILL
CANNOT LOCATE OBAMA'S OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, OR ANY OF HIS PAPERS WHILE
IN COLLEGE, OR HOW HE PAID FOR A HARVARD EDUCATION, OR WHICH COUNTRY
ISSUED HIS VISA TO TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN IN THE 1980'S AS BARRY SORETORO AND
EVEN MICHELLE OBAMA'S PRINCETON THESIS ON RACISIM. IT JUST CAN'T BE FOUND?
YET THE PUBLIC STILL TRUSTS THAT SAME PRESS TO GIVE THEM
THE WHOLE TRUTH . . . TRULY REMARKABLE!
girls who like fame and being in the spotlight isn't the same thing as a birth certificate. and even if obama wasn't born in the us who cares? he spent most of his life here. and for those that say you have to be a natural born us citizen what do you expect happen if he were born elsewhere because mccain was porn in panama
what papers can't anyone locate?
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
uh Yeah really.. It says some of the lowest not the lowset.
Did you do a comparison? Check Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama and see how similar they trended. Heck, compare George W Bush and Barack Obama, and notice the exact same trend until 9/11 when Bush got a huge bump.
(Also you DID look at George W Bush's numbers when he left office, right?)
Besides, this whole business of comparing approval ratings of Presidents past and present doesn't really do much. After all, George W Bush got a huge, huge bump right after 9/11 and slowly tanked to one of the lowest ever. His father came out of a really great performance after the first Iraq war only to tank before losing to Bill Clinton.
It's more illustrative to compare the President to his current peers in Congress. Notice the generally high disapproval ratings across the board, yet the President does the best, followed by - shockers! - Nancy Pelosi, and Congressional Democrats, then Harry Reid. The GOP brings up the rear.
Yet you seem to forget who has had control of both houses for the last 4 years.
Yes, Bush signed the massive TARP package in 2008 after getting huge bipartisan support, but you forget that the biggest chunk of the debt was rung up by Bush with his 2 unfunded wars, the massive tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires, Medicare Part D. And guess who was in control of the White House and both houses of Congress all those years? Oh right... the GOP. :roll:
The only point you made is that you are in complete denial that this president is a complete disaster and is doesn't know what the hell he's doing.
A complete disaster? Really? He's accomplished far more in his first year than any President in recent history. Where the hell do YOU get off making such a blanket, unfounded, asinine statement?
Seriously, you can't even bring up facts to defend your outlandish statements and you consistenfly find yourself being trashed by half the people here without really even trying.
I submit that it's YOU who doesn't know what he's talking about.
"It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
this is a great example of govermental control, I don't know what is true or false about nobama
but this e-mail I recieved is kind of interesting.
Godfather.
I THINK IT IS REMARKABLE THAT WITHIN A WEEK OF TIGER WOODS CRASHING HIS
ESCALADE, THE PRESS FOUND EVERY WOMAN WITH WHOM TIGER HAS HAD AN AFFAIR
IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, WITH PHOTOS, TEXT MESSAGES, RECORDED PHONE CALLS, ETC.
AND, THEY NOT ONLY KNOW THE CAUSE OF THE FAMILY FIGHT, BUT THEY EVEN KNOW IT
WAS A WEDGE FROM HIS GOLF BAG THAT HIS WIFE USED TO BREAK OUT THE WINDOWS
IN THE ESCALADE. NOT ONLY THAT, THEY KNOW WHICH WEDGE!
AND EACH AND EVER DAY, THEY GIVE AMERICA MORE UPDATES ON HIS SEX-REHAB STAY,
HIS WIFE'S PLANS FOR DIVORCE, AND HIS PLANS TO RETURN TO THE PRO-GOLF CIRCUIT.
OBAMA HAS BEEN IN OFFICE FOR OVER A YEAR NOW, AND THIS SAME PRESS STILL
CANNOT LOCATE OBAMA'S OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, OR ANY OF HIS PAPERS WHILE
IN COLLEGE, OR HOW HE PAID FOR A HARVARD EDUCATION, OR WHICH COUNTRY
ISSUED HIS VISA TO TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN IN THE 1980'S AS BARRY SORETORO AND
EVEN MICHELLE OBAMA'S PRINCETON THESIS ON RACISIM. IT JUST CAN'T BE FOUND?
YET THE PUBLIC STILL TRUSTS THAT SAME PRESS TO GIVE THEM
THE WHOLE TRUTH . . . TRULY REMARKABLE!
You know there are safeguards in place to protect just anyone from getting your birth certificate. It has to be requested by either you or your parents who are listed on it.
I am glad that not just any bozo can go and pick up my birth certificate
any of his papers while in college? that is just bizarre, he lead the law review... I am sure if the media cared there is plenty of stuff out there from his college days
this is a great example of govermental control, I don't know what is true or false about nobama
but this e-mail I recieved is kind of interesting.
Godfather.
I THINK IT IS REMARKABLE THAT WITHIN A WEEK OF TIGER WOODS CRASHING HIS
ESCALADE, THE PRESS FOUND EVERY WOMAN WITH WHOM TIGER HAS HAD AN AFFAIR
IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, WITH PHOTOS, TEXT MESSAGES, RECORDED PHONE CALLS, ETC.
AND, THEY NOT ONLY KNOW THE CAUSE OF THE FAMILY FIGHT, BUT THEY EVEN KNOW IT
WAS A WEDGE FROM HIS GOLF BAG THAT HIS WIFE USED TO BREAK OUT THE WINDOWS
IN THE ESCALADE. NOT ONLY THAT, THEY KNOW WHICH WEDGE!
AND EACH AND EVER DAY, THEY GIVE AMERICA MORE UPDATES ON HIS SEX-REHAB STAY,
HIS WIFE'S PLANS FOR DIVORCE, AND HIS PLANS TO RETURN TO THE PRO-GOLF CIRCUIT.
OBAMA HAS BEEN IN OFFICE FOR OVER A YEAR NOW, AND THIS SAME PRESS STILL
CANNOT LOCATE OBAMA'S OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, OR ANY OF HIS PAPERS WHILE
IN COLLEGE, OR HOW HE PAID FOR A HARVARD EDUCATION, OR WHICH COUNTRY
ISSUED HIS VISA TO TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN IN THE 1980'S AS BARRY SORETORO AND
EVEN MICHELLE OBAMA'S PRINCETON THESIS ON RACISIM. IT JUST CAN'T BE FOUND?
YET THE PUBLIC STILL TRUSTS THAT SAME PRESS TO GIVE THEM
THE WHOLE TRUTH . . . TRULY REMARKABLE!
girls who like fame and being in the spotlight isn't the same thing as a birth certificate. and even if obama wasn't born in the us who cares? he spent most of his life here. and for those that say you have to be a natural born us citizen what do you expect happen if he were born elsewhere because mccain was porn in panama
what papers can't anyone locate?
I don't know Pepe, I am no onama fan but this kind of thing is what happens with every president, there is always somebody looking for dirt and as a old friend said "if you look hard enough you'll find some"
and it don't have to be true to get people to believe it, seed's of evil grow fast.
Did you do a comparison? Check Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama and see how similar they trended. Heck, compare George W Bush and Barack Obama, and notice the exact same trend until 9/11 when Bush got a huge bump.
(Also you DID look at George W Bush's numbers when he left office, right?)
Couldn't agree more about the idea that approval ratings are not the only thing we should go by to judge a president in his first few years of office. Obama has had to deal with a lot of things in his first year + in office and I give him credit for remaining positive in the face of it all. It certainly is not a job I would want. I think as this first term rounds out and we start to see the effects of his policies that we can really judge his performance.
As far as the article the GODFATHER posted. . .i have to agree that people are getting more involved in politics. He is right in saying that people are starting to pay more attention, but makes the mistake of thinking it is just people who disagree, at least that is what I get out of it. The people who disagree right now seem to be getting more press, but in the end I hope we get a more politically active America, no matter the side of the fence that you sit. Obama's next campaign will definitely bring more people out than ever before, both on his side and the other and that is always a good thing.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Did you do a comparison? Check Ronald Reagan and Barack Obama and see how similar they trended. Heck, compare George W Bush and Barack Obama, and notice the exact same trend until 9/11 when Bush got a huge bump.
(Also you DID look at George W Bush's numbers when he left office, right?)
Couldn't agree more about the idea that approval ratings are not the only thing we should go by to judge a president in his first few years of office. Obama has had to deal with a lot of things in his first year + in office and I give him credit for remaining positive in the face of it all. It certainly is not a job I would want. I think as this first term rounds out and we start to see the effects of his policies that we can really judge his performance.
As far as the article the GODFATHER posted. . .i have to agree that people are getting more involved in politics. He is right in saying that people are starting to pay more attention, but makes the mistake of thinking it is just people who disagree, at least that is what I get out of it. The people who disagree right now seem to be getting more press, but in the end I hope we get a more politically active America, no matter the side of the fence that you sit. Obama's next campaign will definitely bring more people out than ever before, both on his side and the other and that is always a good thing.
Perfectly. We're better off as a country when everyone's involved.
One of the most shocking things I found out over the last few years was that when Arnold Schwarzenegger became governor of California in the aftermath of the recall election that ousted Gray Davis, he got just under 25% of the vote. It was a moment of awakening for me. Not that I had any love for Davis - he was too cozy with the Prison industry for instance - but to think that a governor got elected with 25% of the vote just seemed absolutely undemocratic to me.
Obama got the left energized in 2008, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a re-emergence of the right in 2010.
However, I simply disdain the horrible, ugly hatred that's starting to bubble to the surface. We need honest, reasoned, debate in the political process AND in the Republican party. While I disagreed with the great conservative stalwart William F. Buckley Jr. most of the time, to his credit he cast out the extremist John Birch society from polite conservative circles back in the day, fully realizing that we can't have such a dialogue as long as extremists were allowed in the mix. Nowadays, the John Birch society is back, and Buckley's son Christopher found himself expelled from the National Review, the magazine that the elder Buckley founded, for daring to speak against the insanity.
I never thought I would say this, but I miss the old man. :shock:
"It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
Perfectly. We're better off as a country when everyone's involved.
One of the most shocking things I found out over the last few years was that when Arnold Schwarzenegger became governor of California in the aftermath of the recall election that ousted Gray Davis, he got just under 25% of the vote. It was a moment of awakening for me. Not that I had any love for Davis - he was too cozy with the Prison industry for instance - but to think that a governor got elected with 25% of the vote just seemed absolutely undemocratic to me.
Obama got the left energized in 2008, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a re-emergence of the right in 2010.
However, I simply disdain the horrible, ugly hatred that's starting to bubble to the surface. We need honest, reasoned, debate in the political process AND in the Republican party. While I disagreed with the great conservative stalwart William F. Buckley Jr. most of the time, to his credit he cast out the extremist John Birch society from polite conservative circles back in the day, fully realizing that we can't have such a dialogue as long as extremists were allowed in the mix. Nowadays, the John Birch society is back, and Buckley's son Christopher found himself expelled from the National Review, the magazine that the elder Buckley founded, for daring to speak against the insanity.
I never thought I would say this, but I miss the old man. :shock:
Yeah, it is sad that a party cannot even have thoughtful debate within itself. I just wish that everyone would realize that even though the view of exactly what America should be is different, lots of people actually think they have the best interest of the country at heart. No one, both democrat and republican, wants it to fail.
that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
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To me, electoral politics is boring and useless. to expect some multimillionaire politician be they from midland or from chicago, or from wherever, to fix or to care about the problems of the everyman the common man is absolutely insane and has no basis in reality. yes i wish it were the case, but obama owes us nothing, or feels like he owes us nothing. we didnt fund his campaign. corporations did. he doesnt interact with the common man. how often do you think he personally meets and greets and listens to a widow of a soldier who died in the iraq and afghanistan wars? How often has he personally been to soldier funerals? How often do you think he personally comes into contact with people, who cant afford to live in their homes anymore and have lost their jobs?
The problem with the current activist scene, is the desire to change the system from within. change has never come from within the system its always come from pissed off, largely poor, largely people of color, who cant take it any longer and want things to change.
if you are waiting around for obama or any other politician to give you the time of day or to care one iota about you are anyone else, you are gonna be waiting a long long time.
maybe lower then most presidents in the first few years of their first term but look at the state of the country when he took office..... Jesus would have low approval ratings in this mess[/quote]
The whole approval thing is valuable but skewed. Who are they asking in terms of approval ratings? Is it likely voters? Registered voters? The point is, every election cycle half the country doesnt vote. thats 150 million people at least. it always pisses me off when people say "oh bush got 50 percent of the vote" "kerry got 49 percent". No thats inaccurate. Kerry got 49 percent of 50 percent. thats nothing. its amazing no one talks about that. people wonder why the countries so split. that could be a part of it. a president that is elected with 51 percent of 50 percent of the nation? outrageous. again electoral politics is ridiculous.
Sadly, it's also chock full of lies.
Please do tell. I'm really curious to why you think this is chock full of lies
Barack Obama has awakened a sleeping nation
Gary Hubbell
Aspen Times Weekly
when you pasted the link, why did you post everything but leave the redneck tree hugger bit out?
that's not very nice. redneck tree huggers have feelings too.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Im not sure there is such things as redneck tree huggers
not one of them are a tree hugger.
Godfather.
must be what causes war's and breeds politician's
Godfather.
Where do I start? Maybe from the beginning?
Despite the fact that he has some of the lowest approval ratings among recent presidents
Uh...really?.
Barack Obama has plunged the country into levels of debt that we could not have previously imagined
Again, someone forgot about the last guy in office. Not to mention that Obama wouldn't have had to spend for stimulus had the previous tenant not trashed the place.
his efforts to nationalize health care have been met with fierce resistance nationwide
How the hell was he supposedly trying to "nationalize health care" when he didn't write the legislation, and the actual legislation didn't produce things like a public option, a Medicare buy in, a national insurance exchange, or any such stuff?
TARP bailouts and stimulus spending have shown little positive effect on the national economy
Uh... the last President signed the TARP. Obama didn't write the stimulus bill, and if the stimulus wasn't strong enough, I blame that on the Republican obstructionism to reduce actual stimulus (like infrastructure spending) and heap more on tax cuts (which have minimal stimulus impact).
... I'm really not in the mood to go line by line to refute all that nonsense. I think I made my point.
but this e-mail I recieved is kind of interesting.
Godfather.
I THINK IT IS REMARKABLE THAT WITHIN A WEEK OF TIGER WOODS CRASHING HIS
ESCALADE, THE PRESS FOUND EVERY WOMAN WITH WHOM TIGER HAS HAD AN AFFAIR
IN THE LAST FEW YEARS, WITH PHOTOS, TEXT MESSAGES, RECORDED PHONE CALLS, ETC.
AND, THEY NOT ONLY KNOW THE CAUSE OF THE FAMILY FIGHT, BUT THEY EVEN KNOW IT
WAS A WEDGE FROM HIS GOLF BAG THAT HIS WIFE USED TO BREAK OUT THE WINDOWS
IN THE ESCALADE. NOT ONLY THAT, THEY KNOW WHICH WEDGE!
AND EACH AND EVER DAY, THEY GIVE AMERICA MORE UPDATES ON HIS SEX-REHAB STAY,
HIS WIFE'S PLANS FOR DIVORCE, AND HIS PLANS TO RETURN TO THE PRO-GOLF CIRCUIT.
OBAMA HAS BEEN IN OFFICE FOR OVER A YEAR NOW, AND THIS SAME PRESS STILL
CANNOT LOCATE OBAMA'S OFFICIAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE, OR ANY OF HIS PAPERS WHILE
IN COLLEGE, OR HOW HE PAID FOR A HARVARD EDUCATION, OR WHICH COUNTRY
ISSUED HIS VISA TO TRAVEL TO PAKISTAN IN THE 1980'S AS BARRY SORETORO AND
EVEN MICHELLE OBAMA'S PRINCETON THESIS ON RACISIM. IT JUST CAN'T BE FOUND?
YET THE PUBLIC STILL TRUSTS THAT SAME PRESS TO GIVE THEM
THE WHOLE TRUTH . . . TRULY REMARKABLE!
uh Yeah really.. It says some of the lowest not the lowset.
Yet you seem to forget who has had control of both houses for the last 4 years.
The only point you made is that you are in complete denial that this president is a complete disaster and is doesn't know what the hell he's doing.
girls who like fame and being in the spotlight isn't the same thing as a birth certificate. and even if obama wasn't born in the us who cares? he spent most of his life here. and for those that say you have to be a natural born us citizen what do you expect happen if he were born elsewhere because mccain was porn in panama
what papers can't anyone locate?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
(Also you DID look at George W Bush's numbers when he left office, right?)
Besides, this whole business of comparing approval ratings of Presidents past and present doesn't really do much. After all, George W Bush got a huge, huge bump right after 9/11 and slowly tanked to one of the lowest ever. His father came out of a really great performance after the first Iraq war only to tank before losing to Bill Clinton.
It's more illustrative to compare the President to his current peers in Congress. Notice the generally high disapproval ratings across the board, yet the President does the best, followed by - shockers! - Nancy Pelosi, and Congressional Democrats, then Harry Reid. The GOP brings up the rear.
Yes, Bush signed the massive TARP package in 2008 after getting huge bipartisan support, but you forget that the biggest chunk of the debt was rung up by Bush with his 2 unfunded wars, the massive tax cuts for millionaires and billionaires, Medicare Part D. And guess who was in control of the White House and both houses of Congress all those years? Oh right... the GOP. :roll:
A complete disaster? Really? He's accomplished far more in his first year than any President in recent history. Where the hell do YOU get off making such a blanket, unfounded, asinine statement?
Seriously, you can't even bring up facts to defend your outlandish statements and you consistenfly find yourself being trashed by half the people here without really even trying.
I submit that it's YOU who doesn't know what he's talking about.
You know there are safeguards in place to protect just anyone from getting your birth certificate. It has to be requested by either you or your parents who are listed on it.
I am glad that not just any bozo can go and pick up my birth certificate
any of his papers while in college? that is just bizarre, he lead the law review... I am sure if the media cared there is plenty of stuff out there from his college days
I don't know Pepe, I am no onama fan but this kind of thing is what happens with every president, there is always somebody looking for dirt and as a old friend said "if you look hard enough you'll find some"
and it don't have to be true to get people to believe it, seed's of evil grow fast.
Godfather.
Couldn't agree more about the idea that approval ratings are not the only thing we should go by to judge a president in his first few years of office. Obama has had to deal with a lot of things in his first year + in office and I give him credit for remaining positive in the face of it all. It certainly is not a job I would want. I think as this first term rounds out and we start to see the effects of his policies that we can really judge his performance.
As far as the article the GODFATHER posted. . .i have to agree that people are getting more involved in politics. He is right in saying that people are starting to pay more attention, but makes the mistake of thinking it is just people who disagree, at least that is what I get out of it. The people who disagree right now seem to be getting more press, but in the end I hope we get a more politically active America, no matter the side of the fence that you sit. Obama's next campaign will definitely bring more people out than ever before, both on his side and the other and that is always a good thing.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan
Perfectly. We're better off as a country when everyone's involved.
One of the most shocking things I found out over the last few years was that when Arnold Schwarzenegger became governor of California in the aftermath of the recall election that ousted Gray Davis, he got just under 25% of the vote. It was a moment of awakening for me. Not that I had any love for Davis - he was too cozy with the Prison industry for instance - but to think that a governor got elected with 25% of the vote just seemed absolutely undemocratic to me.
Obama got the left energized in 2008, so I wouldn't be surprised to see a re-emergence of the right in 2010.
However, I simply disdain the horrible, ugly hatred that's starting to bubble to the surface. We need honest, reasoned, debate in the political process AND in the Republican party. While I disagreed with the great conservative stalwart William F. Buckley Jr. most of the time, to his credit he cast out the extremist John Birch society from polite conservative circles back in the day, fully realizing that we can't have such a dialogue as long as extremists were allowed in the mix. Nowadays, the John Birch society is back, and Buckley's son Christopher found himself expelled from the National Review, the magazine that the elder Buckley founded, for daring to speak against the insanity.
I never thought I would say this, but I miss the old man. :shock:
Yeah, it is sad that a party cannot even have thoughtful debate within itself. I just wish that everyone would realize that even though the view of exactly what America should be is different, lots of people actually think they have the best interest of the country at heart. No one, both democrat and republican, wants it to fail.
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan