Canadian flag prank has California townsfolk seeing red

WaveCameCrashin

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Please by all means educate me. Maybe if you weren' such an a hole sometimes I might listen to what you have to say. I know our system has flaws,but im sorry I would not change it for canada's system. or a system like it.

i just did, and i have been doing it in several threads. remember your argument about torts and liability insurance increasing people's health insurance premiums and i told you how that was a bogus argument. if you have questions and don't know the answer just ask instead of being completely reactionary and flying off the handle every time you read a blog that gives you one example or one side of the story. there are plenty of people that work in healthcare on this forum that can teach you something.

if you would keep your system over canada's system that is your choice, but my choice is to trade mine for a system like theirs.

well that's all good and everything ,but i hear a lot of stories from doctors that seem to think just the opposite from what you posted about that whole argument about tort reform. So who the hell am I suppose to believe ? A politician or a doctor ?

WaveCameCrashin

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

unless i am a dumbass, the context of your reply to lukin was "we lost way more troops in WW2" than your country. i have reread it 10 times now and that is the way it comes off to me. we lost more troops in WW2 because we fought that war for 4 years and we were not in ww1 until very late in the war. i don't want to fight any wars either. there must be a better way.

No your'e not a dumbass. I think what lukin meant was why didnt I mention WW1 along with WW2. I think that's what he meant. Fuck who knows it's kinda late.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

the soldiers you spoke of did not die for the flag. most of them were drafted and died fighting for the intangible things that the flag represents. it is just a symbol. you carry whatever meaning you attach to that symbol in your heart. its a symbol the same as any sports team logo is a symbol. it may symbolize "freedom and liberty" to you, but to others it can symbolize things both great and sinister. i don't judge you for what you believe, and you should not judge anyone else for what they believe the flag represents..

okay I can agree on that..

Drowned Out

prfctlefts wrote:

There's the difference. To you it's just a peice of material. To most Americans it's more than that. Except people like gimmenotruth who could give a shit. It symbolizes freedom and liberty. Our forefathers and some of our grand parents died fighting in WW2 for that flag. You canadians have never had to fight for anything as far as I know when it comes to defending your country, But I will give credit where credit is due. There are canadian forces fighting in the middle east.

Keep your credit. We don't want them there.
I love how programmed you are to associate patriotism with militarism. It's so fucking obvious from an outsider's POV, but to you it's normal. Speaking generally; Canadians associate patriotism with hockey, doughnuts, beer, nature. Americans lean so quickly toward dying and fighting and defending and power symbols and war...

and...I shouldn't even address this, because it borders on the sickest form of patriotism - competing death tolls....but fuck dude, if we were talking ANY stat, I'd have to call you on this......do the words PER CAPITA mean anything to you? can you seriously look at these stats and say "we lost more troops in WW2"....You realize we have less than 1/10th (that's .1 in metric )your population, right?


edit: read the rest of what you've posted, and I don't buy it, sorry...I don't understand your defense of confusing what lukin said or whatever......you post emotionally and made another unreasoned statement.

dunkman

Canada actually lost more men PER CAPITA than the US did in WW2... 0.4% of its population compared to the US 0.32.

and if its all about who lost the most men then I think Poland wins... Poland is therefore greater than the US. I hope prftclefts can cope with knowing that Poland lost more men per capita than his own country did... ergo all of Poland must be much more patriotic than him... he must be shamed by that... he should really move away.

anyway, back to the thread title... its a piece of material.

you guys and your love of flags crack me up... its beyond funny.

now here's a true flag.

Byrnzie

prfctlefts wrote:

Our forefathers and some of our grand parents died fighting in WW2 for that flag.

Why didn't they just pop down to Walmart and buy one for $5 instead?

polaris_x

Byrnzie wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Our forefathers and some of our grand parents died fighting in WW2 for that flag.

Why didn't they just pop down to Walmart and buy one for $5 instead?

probably cuz they were waiting for them to be made in china ...

i'm not the kind of person that views things like flags to be the sacred pieces some do ... if there was no malice - then i think a slap on the wrist is cool but on the other hand i know a lot of people don't see it the same way so ultimately whatever the pranksters get in terms of punishment they will have to take ...

WaveCameCrashin

Drowned Out wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

There's the difference. To you it's just a peice of material. To most Americans it's more than that. Except people like gimmenotruth who could give a shit. It symbolizes freedom and liberty. Our forefathers and some of our grand parents died fighting in WW2 for that flag. You canadians have never had to fight for anything as far as I know when it comes to defending your country, But I will give credit where credit is due. There are canadian forces fighting in the middle east.

Keep your credit. We don't want them there.
I love how programmed you are to associate patriotism with militarism. It's so fucking obvious from an outsider's POV, but to you it's normal. Speaking generally; Canadians associate patriotism with hockey, doughnuts, beer, nature. Americans lean so quickly toward dying and fighting and defending and power symbols and war...

and...I shouldn't even address this, because it borders on the sickest form of patriotism - competing death tolls....but fuck dude, if we were talking ANY stat, I'd have to call you on this......do the words PER CAPITA mean anything to you? can you seriously look at these stats and say "we lost more troops in WW2"....You realize we have less than 1/10th (that's .1 in metric )your population, right?


edit: read the rest of what you've posted, and I don't buy it, sorry...I don't understand your defense of confusing what lukin said or whatever......you post emotionally and made another unreasoned statement.

Im not comparing militarism with patriotism. All I meant was Our Flag means a lot to Us and different things to different people,and to a lot of people they think of all the struggles we have been through. or from the reveloutionary war to the attacks on 911, Or it could mean something entirly different to someone who came here from a different country to make a better life for them and their family. On the other hand we have people like this who don't like our flag or this country,yet they still choose to live here.http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-Dqntok-aHM/S ... poster.jpg

I wasn't comparing who lost more and when. Im sorry if that's the way you interpreted it,what i meant was we as americans lost more troops in WW2 than in WW1. And maybe Iam wrong about that and if I am than I misspoke,again just so we are clear I was not trying to say that we lost more trops than any other country. For what it's worth though one death is too many as far as I am concerned.

Smellyman

somebody is going to have a heart attack. I can just see a bright red face pounding away at the keyboard.....

once Americans get over this bullshit, maybe we can get working on important things.

Wonder what the reporters families and the other innocents in Iraq that were gunned down think the flag stands for?

OutOfBreath

dunkman wrote:

Canada actually lost more men PER CAPITA than the US did in WW2... 0.4% of its population compared to the US 0.32.

and if its all about who lost the most men then I think Poland wins... Poland is therefore greater than the US. I hope prftclefts can cope with knowing that Poland lost more men per capita than his own country did... ergo all of Poland must be much more patriotic than him... he must be shamed by that... he should really move away.

anyway, back to the thread title... its a piece of material.

you guys and your love of flags crack me up... its beyond funny.

now here's a true flag.

Screw per capita terms. How about the real numbers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

By that yard stick, the coolest cats in WW2 were Russia, Germany and China. Hell, Russia lost so many men that the russian demographic is skewed to this day with far more women than men.

As for the flag, it's just a flag. Bad taste on the part of the canadians, surely. Make them replace it, go right ahead. Throw in a fine for good measure in the size of what's the going rate for public urination or something.

Peace
Dan

rebornFixer

That's very true about the Russians ... I think the figure is around 10 million military casualties in WW-II, which is mind-blowing.

lukin2006

polaris_x wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Our forefathers and some of our grand parents died fighting in WW2 for that flag.

Why didn't they just pop down to Walmart and buy one for $5 instead?

probably cuz they were waiting for them to be made in china ...

i'm not the kind of person that views things like flags to be the sacred pieces some do ... if there was no malice - then i think a slap on the wrist is cool but on the other hand i know a lot of people don't see it the same way so ultimately whatever the pranksters get in terms of punishment they will have to take ...

As far as punishment goes, hopefully common sense prevails, replace the flag apologize and move on. The point I was trying to make is that people need to settle these disputes with minmal involvement from the police, it would save everybody headaches and then the police could concentrate on getting the real criminals off the street.

I agree with you about the flag.

lukin2006

rebornFixer wrote:

That's very true about the Russians ... I think the figure is around 10 million military casualties in WW-II, which is mind-blowing.

WW2-Estimated Casualties By Country
http://warchronicle.com/numbers/WWII/deaths.htm

WW1-Estimated Casualties By Country
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_I_casualties

Starfall

lukin2006 wrote:

As far as punishment goes, hopefully common sense prevails, replace the flag apologize and move on. The point I was trying to make is that people need to settle these disputes with minmal involvement from the police, it would save everybody headaches and then the police could concentrate on getting the real criminals off the street.

I agree with you about the flag.

Why wouldn't it be settled lawfully and reasonably? Just because a few people are upset and express anger at the Canadians doesn't mean our justice system is going to be taken over by a vigilante posse and a hanging judge.
Although I wonder how we ever managed to elect ze Governator sometimes

lukin2006

Starfall wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

As far as punishment goes, hopefully common sense prevails, replace the flag apologize and move on. The point I was trying to make is that people need to settle these disputes with minmal involvement from the police, it would save everybody headaches and then the police could concentrate on getting the real criminals off the street.

I agree with you about the flag.

Why wouldn't it be settled lawfully and reasonably? Just because a few people are upset and express anger at the Canadians doesn't mean our justice system is going to be taken over by a vigilante posse and a hanging judge.
Although I wonder how we ever managed to elect ze Governator sometimes

I never said it would be a vigilante posse, I just think this could be settled with an apology and the purchase of a new flag, problem solved without involving the courts and lawyers. When I was growing up thats how the police used to settle minor issues, now it's get the lawyers involved cost everybody whole shit load of money including the taxpayer, it was a prank, nothing more.

rebornFixer

lukin2006 wrote:

I never said it would be a vigilante posse, I just think this could be settled with an apology and the purchase of a new flag, problem solved without involving the courts and lawyers. When I was growing up thats how the police used to settle minor issues, now it's get the lawyers involved cost everybody whole shit load of money including the taxpayer, it was a prank, nothing more.

+1

PJam82

OutOfBreath wrote:

dunkman wrote:

Canada actually lost more men PER CAPITA than the US did in WW2... 0.4% of its population compared to the US 0.32.

and if its all about who lost the most men then I think Poland wins... Poland is therefore greater than the US. I hope prftclefts can cope with knowing that Poland lost more men per capita than his own country did... ergo all of Poland must be much more patriotic than him... he must be shamed by that... he should really move away.

anyway, back to the thread title... its a piece of material.

you guys and your love of flags crack me up... its beyond funny.

now here's a true flag.

Screw per capita terms. How about the real numbers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

By that yard stick, the coolest cats in WW2 were Russia, Germany and China. Hell, Russia lost so many men that the russian demographic is skewed to this day with far more women than men.

As for the flag, it's just a flag. Bad taste on the part of the canadians, surely. Make them replace it, go right ahead. Throw in a fine for good measure in the size of what's the going rate for public urination or something.

Peace
Dan

Tell that to ANYONE who has been in the military and has lost someone. It represents much more than "just a flag".

I'll bet you Canadians wouldn't give a shit till someone burned down all your hockey arenas...then, you'd probably all come down here with your snowballs and sleds.

Then, I'd just sit on my porch, flag waving, and say...it's just hockey.

rebornFixer

And our Tim Hortons coffee, which should be deemed WMD.

Smellyman

PJam82 wrote:

OutOfBreath wrote:

dunkman wrote:

Canada actually lost more men PER CAPITA than the US did in WW2... 0.4% of its population compared to the US 0.32.

and if its all about who lost the most men then I think Poland wins... Poland is therefore greater than the US. I hope prftclefts can cope with knowing that Poland lost more men per capita than his own country did... ergo all of Poland must be much more patriotic than him... he must be shamed by that... he should really move away.

anyway, back to the thread title... its a piece of material.

you guys and your love of flags crack me up... its beyond funny.

now here's a true flag.

Screw per capita terms. How about the real numbers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

By that yard stick, the coolest cats in WW2 were Russia, Germany and China. Hell, Russia lost so many men that the russian demographic is skewed to this day with far more women than men.

As for the flag, it's just a flag. Bad taste on the part of the canadians, surely. Make them replace it, go right ahead. Throw in a fine for good measure in the size of what's the going rate for public urination or something.

Peace
Dan

Tell that to ANYONE who has been in the military and has lost someone. It represents much more than "just a flag".
.

Of course, in that case, it could represent a bad thing.

even flow - question mark

They sure love their county. Yep, surrrrre do.

lukin2006

PJam82 wrote:

OutOfBreath wrote:

dunkman wrote:

Canada actually lost more men PER CAPITA than the US did in WW2... 0.4% of its population compared to the US 0.32.

and if its all about who lost the most men then I think Poland wins... Poland is therefore greater than the US. I hope prftclefts can cope with knowing that Poland lost more men per capita than his own country did... ergo all of Poland must be much more patriotic than him... he must be shamed by that... he should really move away.

anyway, back to the thread title... its a piece of material.

you guys and your love of flags crack me up... its beyond funny.

now here's a true flag.

Screw per capita terms. How about the real numbers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

By that yard stick, the coolest cats in WW2 were Russia, Germany and China. Hell, Russia lost so many men that the russian demographic is skewed to this day with far more women than men.

As for the flag, it's just a flag. Bad taste on the part of the canadians, surely. Make them replace it, go right ahead. Throw in a fine for good measure in the size of what's the going rate for public urination or something.

Peace
Dan

Tell that to ANYONE who has been in the military and has lost someone. It represents much more than "just a flag".

I'll bet you Canadians wouldn't give a shit till someone burned down all your hockey arenas...then, you'd probably all come down here with your snowballs and sleds.

Then, I'd just sit on my porch, flag waving, and say...it's just hockey.

Nope, we'd just play out doors, we Canadians are a tough lot .