Canadian flag prank has California townsfolk seeing red

lukin2006

http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2765947

It was a prank people...get over yourselves, have them replace the flag and apologize. Why involve the cops more than you have to, people need to leave the cops for important things.

Starfall

Last I checked, vandalism was a misdemeanor offense, punishable under criminal law. Let the local justice system deal with them like they handle any similar case.

More than likely, they'll be fined, or made to do community service. Seems fair enough to me.

lukins.lawyer

Those people need to chill out. Go Canada. Best country in the world.

lukin2006

Starfall wrote:

Last I checked, vandalism was a misdemeanor offense, punishable under criminal law. Let the local justice system deal with them like they handle any similar case.

More than likely, they'll be fined, or made to do community service. Seems fair enough to me.

No shit, the article states that it's a misdemeanor, the point is people need to chill and cops need to quit wasting time on minor disputes.

lukin2006

sounds.of.seattle wrote:

Those people need to chill out. Go Canada. Best country in the world.

Agreed 100%. We fuckin rock, and we have real health care to boot.

WaveCameCrashin

lukin2006 wrote:

sounds.of.seattle wrote:

Those people need to chill out. Go Canada. Best country in the world.

Agreed 100%. We fuckin rock, and we have real health care to boot.

Chill out ? :x :wtf: It was a 911 memorial..
F.U. :evil:


What if two Americans did this to one of your one of your flags ? I bet you would be singing a different tune.

and if your Healthcare is so great than why did this guy come here for heart surgery ?
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2510700

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

sounds.of.seattle wrote:

Those people need to chill out. Go Canada. Best country in the world.

Agreed 100%. We fuckin rock, and we have real health care to boot.

Chill out ? :x :wtf: It was a 911 memorial..
F.U. :evil:


What if two Americans did this to one of your one of your flags ? I bet you would be singing a different tune.

and if your Healthcare is so great than why did this guy come here for heart surgery ?
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2510700

its just a flag...

and again one person anecdotal evidence does not make a comprehensive argument for or against any one healthcare system...don't make me bring back one of the several healthcare threads where you were made to look silly....

lukin2006

prfctlefts wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

sounds.of.seattle wrote:

Those people need to chill out. Go Canada. Best country in the world.

Agreed 100%. We fuckin rock, and we have real health care to boot.

Chill out ? :x :wtf: It was a 911 memorial..
F.U. :evil:


What if two Americans did this to one of your one of your flags ? I bet you would be singing a different tune.

and if your Healthcare is so great than why did this guy come here for heart surgery ?
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2510700

I Could care a less if someone did that to our flag, it's a piece of fuckin material, patriotism is in your heart, not on a flag. Most likely if that had happened here the police would been able to get an apology and them to pay for the flag and everyone would have been happy,

As for that guy, he's the premier of NFLD, he's a millionaire and decided to go to the Florida for his heart surgery, our system doesn't allow jumping the queue, he paid for it himself. He would have had the surgery in plenty of time here, he just choose to pay and get it quicker in the Florida. Yeah our system is good.

WaveCameCrashin

lukin2006 wrote:

As for that guy, he's the premier of NFLD, he's a millionaire and decided to go to the Florida for his heart surgery, our system doesn't allow jumping the queue, he paid for it himself. He would have had the surgery in plenty of time here, he just choose to pay and get it quicker in the Florida. Yeah our system is good.

Well if its so good then why would he have had to wait ? How do you know he had pleanty of time? If he did then why didn't he wait ?

WaveCameCrashin

lukin2006 wrote:

I Could care a less if someone did that to our flag, it's a piece of fuckin material, patriotism is in your heart, not on a flag. Most likely if that had happened here the police would been able to get an apology and them to pay for the flag and everyone would have been happy,

There's the difference. To you it's just a peice of material. To most Americans it's more than that. Except people like gimmenotruth who could give a shit. It symbolizes freedom and liberty. Our forefathers and some of our grand parents died fighting in WW2 for that flag. You canadians have never had to fight for anything as far as I know when it comes to defending your country, But I will give credit where credit is due. There are canadian forces fighting in the middle east.

lukin2006

prfctlefts wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

I Could care a less if someone did that to our flag, it's a piece of fuckin material, patriotism is in your heart, not on a flag. Most likely if that had happened here the police would been able to get an apology and them to pay for the flag and everyone would have been happy,

There's the difference. To you it's just a peice of material. To most Americans it's more than that. Except people like gimmenotruth who could give a shit. It symbolizes freedom and liberty. Our forefathers and some of our grand parents died fighting in WW2 for that flag. You canadians have never had to fight for anything as far as I know.

Are you ignorant, we were in WW1 before you and WW2 before you, You are not helping the right wing cause, they already think you're ignorant.

lukin2006

prfctlefts wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

As for that guy, he's the premier of NFLD, he's a millionaire and decided to go to the Florida for his heart surgery, our system doesn't allow jumping the queue, he paid for it himself. He would have had the surgery in plenty of time here, he just choose to pay and get it quicker in the Florida. Yeah our system is good.

Well if its so good then why would he have had to wait ? How do you know he had pleanty of time? If he did then why didn't he wait ?

Because he had the $$$$ to go to the states.

WaveCameCrashin

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

and again one person anecdotal evidence does not make a comprehensive argument for or against any one healthcare system...don't make me bring back one of the several healthcare threads where you were made to look silly....

ewwwwwwww. im so scared :roll: Dude I may look silly to you or to other people on here, But canada's healthcare system is not the liberal utopia that you think it is. Sure it may have it's perks in some cases,but just look at the stats. Go look at the survival rate if you get cancer,see how long you have to wait for certain procedures like MRI's or cat scans ect.. I could post link after link.

WaveCameCrashin

lukin2006 wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

I Could care a less if someone did that to our flag, it's a piece of fuckin material, patriotism is in your heart, not on a flag. Most likely if that had happened here the police would been able to get an apology and them to pay for the flag and everyone would have been happy,

There's the difference. To you it's just a peice of material. To most Americans it's more than that. Except people like gimmenotruth who could give a shit. It symbolizes freedom and liberty. Our forefathers and some of our grand parents died fighting in WW2 for that flag. You canadians have never had to fight for anything as far as I know.

Are you ignorant, we were in WW1 before you and WW2 before you, You are not helping the right wing cause, they already think you're ignorant.

No Im not ignorant but we lost way more troops in WW2.
You think I give a shit what they think ? I know I will never change any hearts or minds in this place.

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

lukin2006 wrote:

I Could care a less if someone did that to our flag, it's a piece of fuckin material, patriotism is in your heart, not on a flag. Most likely if that had happened here the police would been able to get an apology and them to pay for the flag and everyone would have been happy,

There's the difference. To you it's just a peice of material. To most Americans it's more than that. Except people like gimmenotruth who could give a shit. It symbolizes freedom and liberty. Our forefathers and some of our grand parents died fighting in WW2 for that flag. You canadians have never had to fight for anything as far as I know when it comes to defending your country, But I will give credit where credit is due. There are canadian forces fighting in the middle east.

gimmenotruth...haha thats pretty good... :roll:

now stick to the issue please...

you should REALLY check your facts before you post on here. your ignorance of Canada's history is hilarious and you should probably not post about something you have no knowledge of...you know what assuming does don't you?

the soldiers you spoke of did not die for the flag. most of them were drafted and died fighting for the intangible things that the flag represents. it is just a symbol. you carry whatever meaning you attach to that symbol in your heart. its a symbol the same as any sports team logo is a symbol. it may symbolize "freedom and liberty" to you, but to others it can symbolize things both great and sinister. i don't judge you for what you believe, and you should not judge anyone else for what they believe the flag represents...

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

and again one person anecdotal evidence does not make a comprehensive argument for or against any one healthcare system...don't make me bring back one of the several healthcare threads where you were made to look silly....

ewwwwwwww. im so scared :roll: Dude I may look silly to you or to other people on here, But canada's healthcare system is not the liberal utopia that you think it is. Sure it may have it's perks in some cases,but just look at the stats. Go look at the survival rate if you get cancer,see how long you have to wait for certain procedures like MRI's or cat scans ect.. I could post link after link.

i would say that most of the time you do make yourself look silly. case in point, your post about canada not fighting in wars....have you been to canada? have you sought medical attention in canada? i have been there and i have relatives that live there and they have nothing but good things to say. so bottom line is you don't know any different than the rightwing bloggers and radio hosts do. there is no way that tests such as ct scans and mris will be denied because they are part of the diagnostic protocol. would you like to receive treatment before you know the extent of the problem or the actual diagnosis? i wouldn't. and i can tell you that every day in my office we have american insurance companines denying mris for various reasons.

for example, if a track athlete has bilateral shin pain and you think they have a stress fracture, the test of choice following x ray would be an mri, but insurance will not pay for mris on both shins most of the time so you have to settle for ordering a bone scan, which is not as sensitive and only shows increased metabolic activity instead of the signal change you are looking for to make that diagnosis between stress reaction and stress fracture. and believe it or not, there is a difference in managing both of those conditions...so in america the insurance companies are dictating what tests you can have and are also dictating and interfering with appropriate treatment. i see this happen at least twice a week. i can give you tons of examples about how things get denied, but you seem to know everything so i will not attempt to educate you...

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

No Im not ignorant but we lost way more troops in WW2.
You think I give a shit what they think ? I know I will never change any hearts or minds in this place.

and again, as i have said to you in the last year, increased body count does not mean your country sacrificed any more or his sacrificed any less. both countries fought valliantly. why is everything a competition with you? do you really need validating to the point you can feel better about yourself by telling yourself "we lost more soldiers, therefore we are better"? if people are keeping score, shouldn't you want to lose less lives???

WaveCameCrashin

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

and again one person anecdotal evidence does not make a comprehensive argument for or against any one healthcare system...don't make me bring back one of the several healthcare threads where you were made to look silly....

ewwwwwwww. im so scared :roll: Dude I may look silly to you or to other people on here, But canada's healthcare system is not the liberal utopia that you think it is. Sure it may have it's perks in some cases,but just look at the stats. Go look at the survival rate if you get cancer,see how long you have to wait for certain procedures like MRI's or cat scans ect.. I could post link after link.

i would say that most of the time you do make yourself look silly. case in point, your post about canada not fighting in wars....have you been to canada? have you sought medical attention in canada? i have been there and i have relatives that live there and they have nothing but good things to say. so bottom line is you don't know any different than the rightwing bloggers and radio hosts do. there is no way that tests such as ct scans and mris will be denied because they are part of the diagnostic protocol. would you like to receive treatment before you know the extent of the problem or the actual diagnosis? i wouldn't. and i can tell you that every day in my office we have american insurance companines denying mris for various reasons.

for example, if a track athlete has bilateral shin pain and you think they have a stress fracture, the test of choice following x ray would be an mri, but insurance will not pay for mris on both shins most of the time so you have to settle for ordering a bone scan, which is not as sensitive and only shows increased metabolic activity instead of the signal change you are looking for to make that diagnosis between stress reaction and stress fracture. and believe it or not, there is a difference in managing both of those conditions...so in america the insurance companies are dictating what tests you can have and are also dictating and interfering with appropriate treatment. i see this happen at least twice a week. i can give you tons of examples about how things get denied, but you seem to know everything so i will not attempt to educate you...

Please by all means educate me. Maybe if you weren' such an a hole sometimes I might listen to what you have to say. I know our system has flaws,but im sorry I would not change it for canada's system. or a system like it.

WaveCameCrashin

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

No Im not ignorant but we lost way more troops in WW2.
You think I give a shit what they think ? I know I will never change any hearts or minds in this place.

and again, as i have said to you in the last year, increased body count does not mean your country sacrificed any more or his sacrificed any less. both countries fought valliantly. why is everything a competition with you? do you really need validating to the point you can feel better about yourself by telling yourself "we lost more soldiers, therefore we are better"? if people are keeping score, shouldn't you want to lose less lives???

That's not what I meant. What i meant was we lost more trrops in ww2 than we did ww1. Not we lost more than another country.and of course I don't want to loose any lives . I wish we had never had to fight in any of these wars.

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

Please by all means educate me. Maybe if you weren' such an a hole sometimes I might listen to what you have to say. I know our system has flaws,but im sorry I would not change it for canada's system. or a system like it.

i just did, and i have been doing it in several threads. remember your argument about torts and liability insurance increasing people's health insurance premiums and i told you how that was a bogus argument. if you have questions and don't know the answer just ask instead of being completely reactionary and flying off the handle every time you read a blog that gives you one example or one side of the story. there are plenty of people that work in healthcare on this forum that can teach you something.

if you would keep your system over canada's system that is your choice, but my choice is to trade mine for a system like theirs.

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

No Im not ignorant but we lost way more troops in WW2.
You think I give a shit what they think ? I know I will never change any hearts or minds in this place.

and again, as i have said to you in the last year, increased body count does not mean your country sacrificed any more or his sacrificed any less. both countries fought valliantly. why is everything a competition with you? do you really need validating to the point you can feel better about yourself by telling yourself "we lost more soldiers, therefore we are better"? if people are keeping score, shouldn't you want to lose less lives???

That's not what I meant. What i meant was we lost more trrops in ww2 than we did ww1. Not we lost more than another country.and of course I don't want to loose any lives . I wish we had never had to fight in any of these wars.

unless i am a dumbass, the context of your reply to lukin was "we lost way more troops in WW2" than your country. i have reread it 10 times now and that is the way it comes off to me. we lost more troops in WW2 because we fought that war for 4 years and we were not in ww1 until very late in the war. i don't want to fight any wars either. there must be a better way.

WaveCameCrashin

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Please by all means educate me. Maybe if you weren' such an a hole sometimes I might listen to what you have to say. I know our system has flaws,but im sorry I would not change it for canada's system. or a system like it.

i just did, and i have been doing it in several threads. remember your argument about torts and liability insurance increasing people's health insurance premiums and i told you how that was a bogus argument. if you have questions and don't know the answer just ask instead of being completely reactionary and flying off the handle every time you read a blog that gives you one example or one side of the story. there are plenty of people that work in healthcare on this forum that can teach you something.

if you would keep your system over canada's system that is your choice, but my choice is to trade mine for a system like theirs.

well that's all good and everything ,but i hear a lot of stories from doctors that seem to think just the opposite from what you posted about that whole argument about tort reform. So who the hell am I suppose to believe ? A politician or a doctor ?

WaveCameCrashin

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

unless i am a dumbass, the context of your reply to lukin was "we lost way more troops in WW2" than your country. i have reread it 10 times now and that is the way it comes off to me. we lost more troops in WW2 because we fought that war for 4 years and we were not in ww1 until very late in the war. i don't want to fight any wars either. there must be a better way.

No your'e not a dumbass. I think what lukin meant was why didnt I mention WW1 along with WW2. I think that's what he meant. Fuck who knows it's kinda late.

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

the soldiers you spoke of did not die for the flag. most of them were drafted and died fighting for the intangible things that the flag represents. it is just a symbol. you carry whatever meaning you attach to that symbol in your heart. its a symbol the same as any sports team logo is a symbol. it may symbolize "freedom and liberty" to you, but to others it can symbolize things both great and sinister. i don't judge you for what you believe, and you should not judge anyone else for what they believe the flag represents..

okay I can agree on that..

Drowned Out

prfctlefts wrote:

There's the difference. To you it's just a peice of material. To most Americans it's more than that. Except people like gimmenotruth who could give a shit. It symbolizes freedom and liberty. Our forefathers and some of our grand parents died fighting in WW2 for that flag. You canadians have never had to fight for anything as far as I know when it comes to defending your country, But I will give credit where credit is due. There are canadian forces fighting in the middle east.

Keep your credit. We don't want them there.
I love how programmed you are to associate patriotism with militarism. It's so fucking obvious from an outsider's POV, but to you it's normal. Speaking generally; Canadians associate patriotism with hockey, doughnuts, beer, nature. Americans lean so quickly toward dying and fighting and defending and power symbols and war...

and...I shouldn't even address this, because it borders on the sickest form of patriotism - competing death tolls....but fuck dude, if we were talking ANY stat, I'd have to call you on this......do the words PER CAPITA mean anything to you? can you seriously look at these stats and say "we lost more troops in WW2"....You realize we have less than 1/10th (that's .1 in metric )your population, right?


edit: read the rest of what you've posted, and I don't buy it, sorry...I don't understand your defense of confusing what lukin said or whatever......you post emotionally and made another unreasoned statement.

dunkman

Canada actually lost more men PER CAPITA than the US did in WW2... 0.4% of its population compared to the US 0.32.

and if its all about who lost the most men then I think Poland wins... Poland is therefore greater than the US. I hope prftclefts can cope with knowing that Poland lost more men per capita than his own country did... ergo all of Poland must be much more patriotic than him... he must be shamed by that... he should really move away.

anyway, back to the thread title... its a piece of material.

you guys and your love of flags crack me up... its beyond funny.

now here's a true flag.

Byrnzie

prfctlefts wrote:

Our forefathers and some of our grand parents died fighting in WW2 for that flag.

Why didn't they just pop down to Walmart and buy one for $5 instead?

polaris_x

Byrnzie wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Our forefathers and some of our grand parents died fighting in WW2 for that flag.

Why didn't they just pop down to Walmart and buy one for $5 instead?

probably cuz they were waiting for them to be made in china ...

i'm not the kind of person that views things like flags to be the sacred pieces some do ... if there was no malice - then i think a slap on the wrist is cool but on the other hand i know a lot of people don't see it the same way so ultimately whatever the pranksters get in terms of punishment they will have to take ...

WaveCameCrashin

Drowned Out wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

There's the difference. To you it's just a peice of material. To most Americans it's more than that. Except people like gimmenotruth who could give a shit. It symbolizes freedom and liberty. Our forefathers and some of our grand parents died fighting in WW2 for that flag. You canadians have never had to fight for anything as far as I know when it comes to defending your country, But I will give credit where credit is due. There are canadian forces fighting in the middle east.

Keep your credit. We don't want them there.
I love how programmed you are to associate patriotism with militarism. It's so fucking obvious from an outsider's POV, but to you it's normal. Speaking generally; Canadians associate patriotism with hockey, doughnuts, beer, nature. Americans lean so quickly toward dying and fighting and defending and power symbols and war...

and...I shouldn't even address this, because it borders on the sickest form of patriotism - competing death tolls....but fuck dude, if we were talking ANY stat, I'd have to call you on this......do the words PER CAPITA mean anything to you? can you seriously look at these stats and say "we lost more troops in WW2"....You realize we have less than 1/10th (that's .1 in metric )your population, right?


edit: read the rest of what you've posted, and I don't buy it, sorry...I don't understand your defense of confusing what lukin said or whatever......you post emotionally and made another unreasoned statement.

Im not comparing militarism with patriotism. All I meant was Our Flag means a lot to Us and different things to different people,and to a lot of people they think of all the struggles we have been through. or from the reveloutionary war to the attacks on 911, Or it could mean something entirly different to someone who came here from a different country to make a better life for them and their family. On the other hand we have people like this who don't like our flag or this country,yet they still choose to live here.http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_-Dqntok-aHM/S ... poster.jpg

I wasn't comparing who lost more and when. Im sorry if that's the way you interpreted it,what i meant was we as americans lost more troops in WW2 than in WW1. And maybe Iam wrong about that and if I am than I misspoke,again just so we are clear I was not trying to say that we lost more trops than any other country. For what it's worth though one death is too many as far as I am concerned.

Smellyman

somebody is going to have a heart attack. I can just see a bright red face pounding away at the keyboard.....

once Americans get over this bullshit, maybe we can get working on important things.

Wonder what the reporters families and the other innocents in Iraq that were gunned down think the flag stands for?

OutOfBreath

dunkman wrote:

Canada actually lost more men PER CAPITA than the US did in WW2... 0.4% of its population compared to the US 0.32.

and if its all about who lost the most men then I think Poland wins... Poland is therefore greater than the US. I hope prftclefts can cope with knowing that Poland lost more men per capita than his own country did... ergo all of Poland must be much more patriotic than him... he must be shamed by that... he should really move away.

anyway, back to the thread title... its a piece of material.

you guys and your love of flags crack me up... its beyond funny.

now here's a true flag.

Screw per capita terms. How about the real numbers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties

By that yard stick, the coolest cats in WW2 were Russia, Germany and China. Hell, Russia lost so many men that the russian demographic is skewed to this day with far more women than men.

As for the flag, it's just a flag. Bad taste on the part of the canadians, surely. Make them replace it, go right ahead. Throw in a fine for good measure in the size of what's the going rate for public urination or something.

Peace
Dan

rebornFixer

That's very true about the Russians ... I think the figure is around 10 million military casualties in WW-II, which is mind-blowing.