can the ticket lottery move your seats further back?

Rival178Rival178 Posts: 608
edited May 2010 in The Porch
Lets say you have a low number and you would be siting in row 5, but then you win the lottery and you are moved back to row 9-10 (lottery rows). could this happen?
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  • BeerBaronBeerBaron Posts: 4,097
    No.
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    No. You can only move up with the lottery. No one with a sub 100xxx number has posted on here of winning the lottery and getting worse seats than the their number should have given them so far.
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  • Rossum20Rossum20 Posts: 910
    are you really going to lose sleep over "settling" for the 9th or 10th row anyway? Come on now.
  • BrokenGlassBrokenGlass Posts: 298
    Solat13 wrote:
    No. You can only move up with the lottery. No one with a sub 100xxx number has posted on here of winning the lottery and getting worse seats than the their number should have given them so far.


    I'm no math major, so I may be way off base here, and I welcome correction and/or enlightenment. But it seems to me that if you have a low 10c number, the lottery poses a definite risk of you getting worse seats than you would without the lottery. If, absent the lottery, your number by seniority would entitle you to be in the first or second row, and someone with a higher number gets your seat because of the lottery, you may now be sitting in row three, right? Or, say in regular order of seniority, you would be in row 9 or 10, but your seat is taken by a lottery winner, you will by necessity now have a worse seat (either further from center of the row or even back a row) than you would without the lottery, right?
  • Ms. HaikuMs. Haiku Posts: 7,258
    Solat13 wrote:
    No. You can only move up with the lottery. No one with a sub 100xxx number has posted on here of winning the lottery and getting worse seats than the their number should have given them so far.


    I'm no math major, so I may be way off base here, and I welcome correction and/or enlightenment. But it seems to me that if you have a low 10c number, the lottery poses a definite risk of you getting worse seats than you would without the lottery. If, absent the lottery, your number by seniority would entitle you to be in the first or second row, and someone with a higher number gets your seat because of the lottery, you may now be sitting in row three, right? Or, say in regular order of seniority, you would be in row 9 or 10, but your seat is taken by a lottery winner, you will by necessity now have a worse seat (either further from center of the row or even back a row) than you would without the lottery, right?
    Yes, but it's still a great idea. Because of my low number (39xxx) I was in front row for at least 3 shows, and 2nd for a few. I don't have front row or second row anymore, I'm at third row at the best. It's still great seating! I think the lottery is a really nice way for the newer fans to see the band right in front of their faces.
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  • BrokenGlassBrokenGlass Posts: 298
    Ms. Haiku wrote:
    Solat13 wrote:
    No. You can only move up with the lottery. No one with a sub 100xxx number has posted on here of winning the lottery and getting worse seats than the their number should have given them so far.


    I'm no math major, so I may be way off base here, and I welcome correction and/or enlightenment. But it seems to me that if you have a low 10c number, the lottery poses a definite risk of you getting worse seats than you would without the lottery. If, absent the lottery, your number by seniority would entitle you to be in the first or second row, and someone with a higher number gets your seat because of the lottery, you may now be sitting in row three, right? Or, say in regular order of seniority, you would be in row 9 or 10, but your seat is taken by a lottery winner, you will by necessity now have a worse seat (either further from center of the row or even back a row) than you would without the lottery, right?
    Yes, but it's still a great idea. Because of my low number (39xxx) I was in front row for at least 3 shows, and 2nd for a few. I don't have front row or second row anymore, I'm at third row at the best. It's still great seating! I think the lottery is a really nice way for the newer fans to see the band right in front of their faces.

    I agree it's a great idea! I'm 178xxx, which put me in the 14th row, Stone's side in Cleveland in 2006. Hoping for lottery luck in Columbus this time!
  • Solat13 wrote:
    No. You can only move up with the lottery. No one with a sub 100xxx number has posted on here of winning the lottery and getting worse seats than the their number should have given them so far.


    I'm no math major, so I may be way off base here, and I welcome correction and/or enlightenment. But it seems to me that if you have a low 10c number, the lottery poses a definite risk of you getting worse seats than you would without the lottery. If, absent the lottery, your number by seniority would entitle you to be in the first or second row, and someone with a higher number gets your seat because of the lottery, you may now be sitting in row three, right? Or, say in regular order of seniority, you would be in row 9 or 10, but your seat is taken by a lottery winner, you will by necessity now have a worse seat (either further from center of the row or even back a row) than you would without the lottery, right?

    Yes, that's how it works. Those who would normally be in the 3rd row are probably in the 5th now and those who would normally have been in row 15 would now be roughly 19. Everyone up front moves a bit farther back to accommodate the lottery rows.

    However, I believe the OP was asking whether someone who would still be within the first 8 rows could ever "win" 9th or 10th row and be moved farther back as a result. The general consensus (don't know if it's ever been confirmed) is that this doesn't happen. Hope that makes sense.
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  • Solat13Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    Solat13 wrote:
    No. You can only move up with the lottery. No one with a sub 100xxx number has posted on here of winning the lottery and getting worse seats than the their number should have given them so far.


    I'm no math major, so I may be way off base here, and I welcome correction and/or enlightenment. But it seems to me that if you have a low 10c number, the lottery poses a definite risk of you getting worse seats than you would without the lottery. If, absent the lottery, your number by seniority would entitle you to be in the first or second row, and someone with a higher number gets your seat because of the lottery, you may now be sitting in row three, right? Or, say in regular order of seniority, you would be in row 9 or 10, but your seat is taken by a lottery winner, you will by necessity now have a worse seat (either further from center of the row or even back a row) than you would without the lottery, right?

    That is correct. But the original poster was asking if you had a great number and would normally get 4th or 5th row, could you "win" the lottery and get 9th or 10th row. And the answer to that is no.

    But yes everyone who doesn't win gets pushed back. Perfect example was Hartford 2008 vs. Hartford 2006 for me. Had the exact same pair of seats in the exact same section for both. But in 2008 because of the lottery my seats were exactly four rows further back than they were in 2006.
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  • jamburgerjamburger Posts: 1,775
    I'm no math major, so I may be way off base here, and I welcome correction and/or enlightenment. But it seems to me that if you have a low 10c number, the lottery poses a definite risk of you getting worse seats than you would without the lottery. If, absent the lottery, your number by seniority would entitle you to be in the first or second row, and someone with a higher number gets your seat because of the lottery, you may now be sitting in row three, right? Or, say in regular order of seniority, you would be in row 9 or 10, but your seat is taken by a lottery winner, you will by necessity now have a worse seat (either further from center of the row or even back a row) than you would without the lottery, right?

    Anytime I see someone use the phrase "worse seat", I think of Costanza complaining with his second row seat in the owner's box at Yankee Stadium. Yes, if you were used to sitting in rows 1 or 2 pre-lottery, you should get used to sitting in row 3 or 4 post lottery. I've read on a few other threads that someone from 10 club advised those used to sitting in rows 1 through 8 pre-lottery do not need to worry about "winning" rows 9 or 10.

    If a row is approximately 3 feet deep, yes, by definition 3-6 feet further back would be a "worse" seat. It's not really though. It's so minor you shouldn't really allow it to diminish your concert going experience.
  • DeLukinDeLukin Posts: 2,757
    BeerBaron wrote:
    No.
    Wait. Why not? It's random, right?
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    DeLukin wrote:
    BeerBaron wrote:
    No.
    Wait. Why not? It's random, right?


    I think I asked TC this when they started the policy. I'm trying to remember. I want to say they said it would only be used to move you closer... but I just don't remember for sure.
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  • Rossum20Rossum20 Posts: 910
    long story short its been presented to the 10c and they have confirmed that the lottery can, in no way, hurt you.
  • BeerBaronBeerBaron Posts: 4,097
    I agree it's a great idea! I'm 178xxx, which put me in the 14th row, Stone's side in Cleveland in 2006. Hoping for lottery luck in Columbus this time!
    Looks like we might be sitting beside each other in Cleveland in a month. I am 178XXX as well... :D
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  • i dont mean to sound ignorant or whatever but im seeing Pearl Jam for the first time MAy 17 and i dont know how the lottery works... can somebody please explain?
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    theeagle78 wrote:
    i dont mean to sound ignorant or whatever but im seeing Pearl Jam for the first time MAy 17 and i dont know how the lottery works... can somebody please explain?


    That's cool. :D

    Pearl Jam's fan club seating are the best seats. The longer you have been an active member in the fanclub, the better your seats. Your membership ID number determines how good the seats you get are.

    If your member ID is like 10,000, you will get awesome seats all the time (like 2nd row or so). If your member ID number is 450,000, you will get the farthest fanclub seats.

    Regardless of your member id, you are entered to win front row, second row, ninth row and tenth row seats. They leave those 4 rows open to have a nice surprise. That's the lottery. It will happen automatically.
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  • CJMST3K wrote:
    theeagle78 wrote:
    i dont mean to sound ignorant or whatever but im seeing Pearl Jam for the first time MAy 17 and i dont know how the lottery works... can somebody please explain?
    That's cool. :D

    Pearl Jam's fan club seating are the best seats. The longer you have been an active member in the fanclub, the better your seats. Your membership ID number determines how good the seats you get are.

    If your member ID is like 10,000, you will get awesome seats all the time (like 2nd row or so). If your member ID number is 450,000, you will get the farthest fanclub seats.

    Regardless of your member id, you are entered to win front row, second row, ninth row and tenth row seats. They leave those 4 rows open to have a nice surprise. That's the lottery. It will happen automatically.

    That's really cool man thanks!
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    theeagle78 wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:
    theeagle78 wrote:
    i dont mean to sound ignorant or whatever but im seeing Pearl Jam for the first time MAy 17 and i dont know how the lottery works... can somebody please explain?
    That's cool. :D

    Pearl Jam's fan club seating are the best seats. The longer you have been an active member in the fanclub, the better your seats. Your membership ID number determines how good the seats you get are.

    If your member ID is like 10,000, you will get awesome seats all the time (like 2nd row or so). If your member ID number is 450,000, you will get the farthest fanclub seats.

    Regardless of your member id, you are entered to win front row, second row, ninth row and tenth row seats. They leave those 4 rows open to have a nice surprise. That's the lottery. It will happen automatically.

    That's really cool man thanks!

    ...and I meant to say if your membership number is 10,000, you'll get 3rd row, because 2nd row is part of the lottery. :)
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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,483
    Rossum20 wrote:
    are you really going to lose sleep over "settling" for the 9th or 10th row anyway? Come on now.

    Someone who is used to sitting in the first few rows is giving up a few rows, so moving back to the 9th or 10th row is settling!
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Rossum20 wrote:
    are you really going to lose sleep over "settling" for the 9th or 10th row anyway? Come on now.

    Someone who is used to sitting in the first few rows is giving up a few rows, so moving back to the 9th or 10th row is settling!


    While I don't mind the lottery, to be honest a person who may have been used to rocking out in the 7th row is now pushed back to the 11th row. Not the worst thing in the world, but that's like 60% farther away than before this system.

    But I was a proponent of this system ever since I heard about the great-swap of Grand Rapids, which was obviously intentional.
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  • RockMamaRockMama Deep Creek Lake, MD Posts: 478
    I just wish they hadn't done the Grand Rapids switch on my birthday. What a present. I don't think it was intentional though - it was an error.
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  • Rossum20Rossum20 Posts: 910
    JOEJOEJOE wrote:
    Rossum20 wrote:
    are you really going to lose sleep over "settling" for the 9th or 10th row anyway? Come on now.

    Someone who is used to sitting in the first few rows is giving up a few rows, so moving back to the 9th or 10th row is settling!


    I didn' t say it wasn't settling...I asked if you were really going to lose sleep over it? You are? OK.


    The system is darn near perfect...most people with a high fan club number got lucky that they were of the age to be aware enough to join. The 10c needs to offer some sort of incentive for new members to join for tickets and theyve done it.
  • What's this Grand Rapids "switch" you're mentioning?
    492xxx

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  • 100 Pacer100 Pacer Posts: 8,904
    edited March 2010
    BeerBaron wrote:
    No.

    why now you don't bitching.
    RockMama wrote:
    I just wish they hadn't done the Grand Rapids switch on my birthday. What a present. I don't think it was intentional though - it was an error.

    the 10C was acting on the band's instructions, and as such the '06 Grand Rapids re-distribution of 10C tickets was no error.
    What's this Grand Rapids "switch" you're mentioning?

    the distribution of tickets starting from the front row began at 130,XXX rather than the lowest number in attendance. as a result, all the members in attendance with numbers lower than 130,XXX received seats several sections away from the stage in the wings.
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  • What's this Grand Rapids "switch" you're mentioning?

    Seniority rules were flipped at Grand Rapids in 2006. The highest numbers had the best seats.
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  • What's this Grand Rapids "switch" you're mentioning?

    Seniority rules were flipped at Grand Rapids in 2006. The highest numbers had the best seats.

    Ah ok. Was it intentional or a mistake? Was it known beforehand or not? And I'm sure there was quite a backlash attached to it.
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  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    What's this Grand Rapids "switch" you're mentioning?


    I believe someone on here posted that they met Tim Bierman at Grand Rapids on night one, and that he mentioned that the crowd wasn't very enthusiastic. Then suddenly on night two, the seats were in reverse order... people who joined the ten club a week before the tour was announced were front-row, and people who were in the ten club since 1991 were at the back. Soon there after they enacted the lottery system, which ensures new faces up front every night. I don't see any of it as a coincidence. Having reverse-priority when people bought the tickets after being told its allocated by priority is a hard pill to swallow.

    I don't know where that post about meeting Tim Bierman is now... and I may be mistaken, but I recall reading this somewhere on the old board. Thought it was cool that Tim was talkative with the fans.
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  • 100 Pacer100 Pacer Posts: 8,904
    edited March 2010
    CJMST3K wrote:
    What's this Grand Rapids "switch" you're mentioning?

    I believe someone on here posted that they met Tim Bierman at Grand Rapids on night one, and that he mentioned that the crowd wasn't very enthusiastic. Then suddenly on night two, the seats were in reverse order... people who joined the ten club a week before the tour was announced were front-row, and people who were in the ten club since 1991 were at the back. Soon there after they enacted the lottery system, which ensures new faces up front every night. I don't see any of it as a coincidence. Having reverse-priority when people bought the tickets after being told its allocated by priority is a hard pill to swallow.

    I don't know where that post about meeting Tim Bierman is now... and I may be mistaken, but I recall reading this somewhere on the old board. Thought it was cool that Tim was talkative with the fans.

    I seem to recall that post, and I believe the person in question said he ran into Tim at one of the '06 Chicago show, where Tim shared the band's views on the crowds in the front rows at previous shows and their lack of enthusiasm for the new material being played.

    p.s. there was only a single show in Grand Rapids in '06. seriously, put the bottle of vodka down.

    ;)
    Post edited by 100 Pacer on
    To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."

    "Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."

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  • BrokenGlassBrokenGlass Posts: 298
    BeerBaron wrote:
    I agree it's a great idea! I'm 178xxx, which put me in the 14th row, Stone's side in Cleveland in 2006. Hoping for lottery luck in Columbus this time!
    Looks like we might be sitting beside each other in Cleveland in a month. I am 178XXX as well... :D


    Actually, I'm only going to the Columbus show this time around. Although Cleveland is much closer, I chose Columbus because 1) I think there may be less 10C members going to Columbus, thus, better seats 2) not crazy about the Q, fun to go to a different venue and 3) Cleveland is on Mother's Day

    Hope you have a great time in Cleveland, though!
  • acutejamacutejam Posts: 1,433
    Ms. Haiku wrote:
    Yes, but it's still a great idea. Because of my low number (39xxx) I was in front row for at least 3 shows, and 2nd for a few. I don't have front row or second row anymore, I'm at third row at the best. It's still great seating! I think the lottery is a really nice way for the newer fans to see the band right in front of their faces.

    Thanks for your awesome attitude! I was kinda thinking along those lines -- sure it'd be great to be in the front every single time, but how awesome to give the chance to the whole 10C! I'm fine four rows further back for the small chance of something better...
    [sic] happens
  • Drum Machine89Drum Machine89 Posts: 2,157
    Rossum20 wrote:
    are you really going to lose sleep over "settling" for the 9th or 10th row anyway? Come on now.

    Yeah your right to be honest!!!
    Let them wash away
    All those yesterdays
    All those yesterdays
    All those paper plates
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