Lets say you have a low number and you would be siting in row 5, but then you win the lottery and you are moved back to row 9-10 (lottery rows). could this happen?
No. You can only move up with the lottery. No one with a sub 100xxx number has posted on here of winning the lottery and getting worse seats than the their number should have given them so far.
No. You can only move up with the lottery. No one with a sub 100xxx number has posted on here of winning the lottery and getting worse seats than the their number should have given them so far.
I'm no math major, so I may be way off base here, and I welcome correction and/or enlightenment. But it seems to me that if you have a low 10c number, the lottery poses a definite risk of you getting worse seats than you would without the lottery. If, absent the lottery, your number by seniority would entitle you to be in the first or second row, and someone with a higher number gets your seat because of the lottery, you may now be sitting in row three, right? Or, say in regular order of seniority, you would be in row 9 or 10, but your seat is taken by a lottery winner, you will by necessity now have a worse seat (either further from center of the row or even back a row) than you would without the lottery, right?
No. You can only move up with the lottery. No one with a sub 100xxx number has posted on here of winning the lottery and getting worse seats than the their number should have given them so far.
I'm no math major, so I may be way off base here, and I welcome correction and/or enlightenment. But it seems to me that if you have a low 10c number, the lottery poses a definite risk of you getting worse seats than you would without the lottery. If, absent the lottery, your number by seniority would entitle you to be in the first or second row, and someone with a higher number gets your seat because of the lottery, you may now be sitting in row three, right? Or, say in regular order of seniority, you would be in row 9 or 10, but your seat is taken by a lottery winner, you will by necessity now have a worse seat (either further from center of the row or even back a row) than you would without the lottery, right?
Yes, but it's still a great idea. Because of my low number (39xxx) I was in front row for at least 3 shows, and 2nd for a few. I don't have front row or second row anymore, I'm at third row at the best. It's still great seating! I think the lottery is a really nice way for the newer fans to see the band right in front of their faces.
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No. You can only move up with the lottery. No one with a sub 100xxx number has posted on here of winning the lottery and getting worse seats than the their number should have given them so far.
I'm no math major, so I may be way off base here, and I welcome correction and/or enlightenment. But it seems to me that if you have a low 10c number, the lottery poses a definite risk of you getting worse seats than you would without the lottery. If, absent the lottery, your number by seniority would entitle you to be in the first or second row, and someone with a higher number gets your seat because of the lottery, you may now be sitting in row three, right? Or, say in regular order of seniority, you would be in row 9 or 10, but your seat is taken by a lottery winner, you will by necessity now have a worse seat (either further from center of the row or even back a row) than you would without the lottery, right?
Yes, but it's still a great idea. Because of my low number (39xxx) I was in front row for at least 3 shows, and 2nd for a few. I don't have front row or second row anymore, I'm at third row at the best. It's still great seating! I think the lottery is a really nice way for the newer fans to see the band right in front of their faces.
I agree it's a great idea! I'm 178xxx, which put me in the 14th row, Stone's side in Cleveland in 2006. Hoping for lottery luck in Columbus this time!
No. You can only move up with the lottery. No one with a sub 100xxx number has posted on here of winning the lottery and getting worse seats than the their number should have given them so far.
I'm no math major, so I may be way off base here, and I welcome correction and/or enlightenment. But it seems to me that if you have a low 10c number, the lottery poses a definite risk of you getting worse seats than you would without the lottery. If, absent the lottery, your number by seniority would entitle you to be in the first or second row, and someone with a higher number gets your seat because of the lottery, you may now be sitting in row three, right? Or, say in regular order of seniority, you would be in row 9 or 10, but your seat is taken by a lottery winner, you will by necessity now have a worse seat (either further from center of the row or even back a row) than you would without the lottery, right?
Yes, that's how it works. Those who would normally be in the 3rd row are probably in the 5th now and those who would normally have been in row 15 would now be roughly 19. Everyone up front moves a bit farther back to accommodate the lottery rows.
However, I believe the OP was asking whether someone who would still be within the first 8 rows could ever "win" 9th or 10th row and be moved farther back as a result. The general consensus (don't know if it's ever been confirmed) is that this doesn't happen. Hope that makes sense.
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No. You can only move up with the lottery. No one with a sub 100xxx number has posted on here of winning the lottery and getting worse seats than the their number should have given them so far.
I'm no math major, so I may be way off base here, and I welcome correction and/or enlightenment. But it seems to me that if you have a low 10c number, the lottery poses a definite risk of you getting worse seats than you would without the lottery. If, absent the lottery, your number by seniority would entitle you to be in the first or second row, and someone with a higher number gets your seat because of the lottery, you may now be sitting in row three, right? Or, say in regular order of seniority, you would be in row 9 or 10, but your seat is taken by a lottery winner, you will by necessity now have a worse seat (either further from center of the row or even back a row) than you would without the lottery, right?
That is correct. But the original poster was asking if you had a great number and would normally get 4th or 5th row, could you "win" the lottery and get 9th or 10th row. And the answer to that is no.
But yes everyone who doesn't win gets pushed back. Perfect example was Hartford 2008 vs. Hartford 2006 for me. Had the exact same pair of seats in the exact same section for both. But in 2008 because of the lottery my seats were exactly four rows further back than they were in 2006.
I'm no math major, so I may be way off base here, and I welcome correction and/or enlightenment. But it seems to me that if you have a low 10c number, the lottery poses a definite risk of you getting worse seats than you would without the lottery. If, absent the lottery, your number by seniority would entitle you to be in the first or second row, and someone with a higher number gets your seat because of the lottery, you may now be sitting in row three, right? Or, say in regular order of seniority, you would be in row 9 or 10, but your seat is taken by a lottery winner, you will by necessity now have a worse seat (either further from center of the row or even back a row) than you would without the lottery, right?
Anytime I see someone use the phrase "worse seat", I think of Costanza complaining with his second row seat in the owner's box at Yankee Stadium. Yes, if you were used to sitting in rows 1 or 2 pre-lottery, you should get used to sitting in row 3 or 4 post lottery. I've read on a few other threads that someone from 10 club advised those used to sitting in rows 1 through 8 pre-lottery do not need to worry about "winning" rows 9 or 10.
If a row is approximately 3 feet deep, yes, by definition 3-6 feet further back would be a "worse" seat. It's not really though. It's so minor you shouldn't really allow it to diminish your concert going experience.
I think I asked TC this when they started the policy. I'm trying to remember. I want to say they said it would only be used to move you closer... but I just don't remember for sure.
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*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
i dont mean to sound ignorant or whatever but im seeing Pearl Jam for the first time MAy 17 and i dont know how the lottery works... can somebody please explain?
i dont mean to sound ignorant or whatever but im seeing Pearl Jam for the first time MAy 17 and i dont know how the lottery works... can somebody please explain?
That's cool.
Pearl Jam's fan club seating are the best seats. The longer you have been an active member in the fanclub, the better your seats. Your membership ID number determines how good the seats you get are.
If your member ID is like 10,000, you will get awesome seats all the time (like 2nd row or so). If your member ID number is 450,000, you will get the farthest fanclub seats.
Regardless of your member id, you are entered to win front row, second row, ninth row and tenth row seats. They leave those 4 rows open to have a nice surprise. That's the lottery. It will happen automatically.
ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
i dont mean to sound ignorant or whatever but im seeing Pearl Jam for the first time MAy 17 and i dont know how the lottery works... can somebody please explain?
That's cool.
Pearl Jam's fan club seating are the best seats. The longer you have been an active member in the fanclub, the better your seats. Your membership ID number determines how good the seats you get are.
If your member ID is like 10,000, you will get awesome seats all the time (like 2nd row or so). If your member ID number is 450,000, you will get the farthest fanclub seats.
Regardless of your member id, you are entered to win front row, second row, ninth row and tenth row seats. They leave those 4 rows open to have a nice surprise. That's the lottery. It will happen automatically.
i dont mean to sound ignorant or whatever but im seeing Pearl Jam for the first time MAy 17 and i dont know how the lottery works... can somebody please explain?
That's cool.
Pearl Jam's fan club seating are the best seats. The longer you have been an active member in the fanclub, the better your seats. Your membership ID number determines how good the seats you get are.
If your member ID is like 10,000, you will get awesome seats all the time (like 2nd row or so). If your member ID number is 450,000, you will get the farthest fanclub seats.
Regardless of your member id, you are entered to win front row, second row, ninth row and tenth row seats. They leave those 4 rows open to have a nice surprise. That's the lottery. It will happen automatically.
That's really cool man thanks!
...and I meant to say if your membership number is 10,000, you'll get 3rd row, because 2nd row is part of the lottery.
ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
are you really going to lose sleep over "settling" for the 9th or 10th row anyway? Come on now.
Someone who is used to sitting in the first few rows is giving up a few rows, so moving back to the 9th or 10th row is settling!
While I don't mind the lottery, to be honest a person who may have been used to rocking out in the 7th row is now pushed back to the 11th row. Not the worst thing in the world, but that's like 60% farther away than before this system.
But I was a proponent of this system ever since I heard about the great-swap of Grand Rapids, which was obviously intentional.
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*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
are you really going to lose sleep over "settling" for the 9th or 10th row anyway? Come on now.
Someone who is used to sitting in the first few rows is giving up a few rows, so moving back to the 9th or 10th row is settling!
I didn' t say it wasn't settling...I asked if you were really going to lose sleep over it? You are? OK.
The system is darn near perfect...most people with a high fan club number got lucky that they were of the age to be aware enough to join. The 10c needs to offer some sort of incentive for new members to join for tickets and theyve done it.
What's this Grand Rapids "switch" you're mentioning?
the distribution of tickets starting from the front row began at 130,XXX rather than the lowest number in attendance. as a result, all the members in attendance with numbers lower than 130,XXX received seats several sections away from the stage in the wings.
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To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
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What's this Grand Rapids "switch" you're mentioning?
I believe someone on here posted that they met Tim Bierman at Grand Rapids on night one, and that he mentioned that the crowd wasn't very enthusiastic. Then suddenly on night two, the seats were in reverse order... people who joined the ten club a week before the tour was announced were front-row, and people who were in the ten club since 1991 were at the back. Soon there after they enacted the lottery system, which ensures new faces up front every night. I don't see any of it as a coincidence. Having reverse-priority when people bought the tickets after being told its allocated by priority is a hard pill to swallow.
I don't know where that post about meeting Tim Bierman is now... and I may be mistaken, but I recall reading this somewhere on the old board. Thought it was cool that Tim was talkative with the fans.
ADD 5,200 to the post count you see, thank you.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
What's this Grand Rapids "switch" you're mentioning?
I believe someone on here posted that they met Tim Bierman at Grand Rapids on night one, and that he mentioned that the crowd wasn't very enthusiastic. Then suddenly on night two, the seats were in reverse order... people who joined the ten club a week before the tour was announced were front-row, and people who were in the ten club since 1991 were at the back. Soon there after they enacted the lottery system, which ensures new faces up front every night. I don't see any of it as a coincidence. Having reverse-priority when people bought the tickets after being told its allocated by priority is a hard pill to swallow.
I don't know where that post about meeting Tim Bierman is now... and I may be mistaken, but I recall reading this somewhere on the old board. Thought it was cool that Tim was talkative with the fans.
I seem to recall that post, and I believe the person in question said he ran into Tim at one of the '06 Chicago show, where Tim shared the band's views on the crowds in the front rows at previous shows and their lack of enthusiasm for the new material being played.
p.s. there was only a single show in Grand Rapids in '06. seriously, put the bottle of vodka down.
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To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
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I agree it's a great idea! I'm 178xxx, which put me in the 14th row, Stone's side in Cleveland in 2006. Hoping for lottery luck in Columbus this time!
Looks like we might be sitting beside each other in Cleveland in a month. I am 178XXX as well...
Actually, I'm only going to the Columbus show this time around. Although Cleveland is much closer, I chose Columbus because 1) I think there may be less 10C members going to Columbus, thus, better seats 2) not crazy about the Q, fun to go to a different venue and 3) Cleveland is on Mother's Day
Yes, but it's still a great idea. Because of my low number (39xxx) I was in front row for at least 3 shows, and 2nd for a few. I don't have front row or second row anymore, I'm at third row at the best. It's still great seating! I think the lottery is a really nice way for the newer fans to see the band right in front of their faces.
Thanks for your awesome attitude! I was kinda thinking along those lines -- sure it'd be great to be in the front every single time, but how awesome to give the chance to the whole 10C! I'm fine four rows further back for the small chance of something better...
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- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
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- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
I'm no math major, so I may be way off base here, and I welcome correction and/or enlightenment. But it seems to me that if you have a low 10c number, the lottery poses a definite risk of you getting worse seats than you would without the lottery. If, absent the lottery, your number by seniority would entitle you to be in the first or second row, and someone with a higher number gets your seat because of the lottery, you may now be sitting in row three, right? Or, say in regular order of seniority, you would be in row 9 or 10, but your seat is taken by a lottery winner, you will by necessity now have a worse seat (either further from center of the row or even back a row) than you would without the lottery, right?
The risk I took was calculated, but man, am I bad at math - The Mincing Mockingbird
I agree it's a great idea! I'm 178xxx, which put me in the 14th row, Stone's side in Cleveland in 2006. Hoping for lottery luck in Columbus this time!
Yes, that's how it works. Those who would normally be in the 3rd row are probably in the 5th now and those who would normally have been in row 15 would now be roughly 19. Everyone up front moves a bit farther back to accommodate the lottery rows.
However, I believe the OP was asking whether someone who would still be within the first 8 rows could ever "win" 9th or 10th row and be moved farther back as a result. The general consensus (don't know if it's ever been confirmed) is that this doesn't happen. Hope that makes sense.
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2006: Toronto 1 & 2
2008: Hartford/EV Toronto 1 & 2
2009: Toronto/Philadelphia 3 & 4
2010: Buffalo
2011: Montreal/Toronto 1 & 2/Hamilton
2013: London/Buffalo/Vancouver/Seattle
2016: Toronto 1 & 2
2022: Hamilton/Toronto
2023: EV Seattle 1&2
That is correct. But the original poster was asking if you had a great number and would normally get 4th or 5th row, could you "win" the lottery and get 9th or 10th row. And the answer to that is no.
But yes everyone who doesn't win gets pushed back. Perfect example was Hartford 2008 vs. Hartford 2006 for me. Had the exact same pair of seats in the exact same section for both. But in 2008 because of the lottery my seats were exactly four rows further back than they were in 2006.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Anytime I see someone use the phrase "worse seat", I think of Costanza complaining with his second row seat in the owner's box at Yankee Stadium. Yes, if you were used to sitting in rows 1 or 2 pre-lottery, you should get used to sitting in row 3 or 4 post lottery. I've read on a few other threads that someone from 10 club advised those used to sitting in rows 1 through 8 pre-lottery do not need to worry about "winning" rows 9 or 10.
If a row is approximately 3 feet deep, yes, by definition 3-6 feet further back would be a "worse" seat. It's not really though. It's so minor you shouldn't really allow it to diminish your concert going experience.
I think I asked TC this when they started the policy. I'm trying to remember. I want to say they said it would only be used to move you closer... but I just don't remember for sure.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
That's cool.
Pearl Jam's fan club seating are the best seats. The longer you have been an active member in the fanclub, the better your seats. Your membership ID number determines how good the seats you get are.
If your member ID is like 10,000, you will get awesome seats all the time (like 2nd row or so). If your member ID number is 450,000, you will get the farthest fanclub seats.
Regardless of your member id, you are entered to win front row, second row, ninth row and tenth row seats. They leave those 4 rows open to have a nice surprise. That's the lottery. It will happen automatically.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
That's really cool man thanks!
...and I meant to say if your membership number is 10,000, you'll get 3rd row, because 2nd row is part of the lottery.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
Someone who is used to sitting in the first few rows is giving up a few rows, so moving back to the 9th or 10th row is settling!
While I don't mind the lottery, to be honest a person who may have been used to rocking out in the 7th row is now pushed back to the 11th row. Not the worst thing in the world, but that's like 60% farther away than before this system.
But I was a proponent of this system ever since I heard about the great-swap of Grand Rapids, which was obviously intentional.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
Most recent: 2018 Stadium shows: Seattle 2, Missoula, Fenway 1 and 2; 2022: Oakland 1 and 2
I didn' t say it wasn't settling...I asked if you were really going to lose sleep over it? You are? OK.
The system is darn near perfect...most people with a high fan club number got lucky that they were of the age to be aware enough to join. The 10c needs to offer some sort of incentive for new members to join for tickets and theyve done it.
2006: Boston 1 and 2
2008: MSG 1 and 2, Mansfield 1 and 2
2010: Boston
2012: Made in America Philly
why now you don't bitching.
the 10C was acting on the band's instructions, and as such the '06 Grand Rapids re-distribution of 10C tickets was no error.
the distribution of tickets starting from the front row began at 130,XXX rather than the lowest number in attendance. as a result, all the members in attendance with numbers lower than 130,XXX received seats several sections away from the stage in the wings.
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
Seniority rules were flipped at Grand Rapids in 2006. The highest numbers had the best seats.
2005: Kitchener/Hamilton/Toronto
2006: Toronto 1 & 2
2008: Hartford/EV Toronto 1 & 2
2009: Toronto/Philadelphia 3 & 4
2010: Buffalo
2011: Montreal/Toronto 1 & 2/Hamilton
2013: London/Buffalo/Vancouver/Seattle
2016: Toronto 1 & 2
2022: Hamilton/Toronto
2023: EV Seattle 1&2
Ah ok. Was it intentional or a mistake? Was it known beforehand or not? And I'm sure there was quite a backlash attached to it.
2006: Boston 1 and 2
2008: MSG 1 and 2, Mansfield 1 and 2
2010: Boston
2012: Made in America Philly
I believe someone on here posted that they met Tim Bierman at Grand Rapids on night one, and that he mentioned that the crowd wasn't very enthusiastic. Then suddenly on night two, the seats were in reverse order... people who joined the ten club a week before the tour was announced were front-row, and people who were in the ten club since 1991 were at the back. Soon there after they enacted the lottery system, which ensures new faces up front every night. I don't see any of it as a coincidence. Having reverse-priority when people bought the tickets after being told its allocated by priority is a hard pill to swallow.
I don't know where that post about meeting Tim Bierman is now... and I may be mistaken, but I recall reading this somewhere on the old board. Thought it was cool that Tim was talkative with the fans.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
I seem to recall that post, and I believe the person in question said he ran into Tim at one of the '06 Chicago show, where Tim shared the band's views on the crowds in the front rows at previous shows and their lack of enthusiasm for the new material being played.
p.s. there was only a single show in Grand Rapids in '06. seriously, put the bottle of vodka down.
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
Actually, I'm only going to the Columbus show this time around. Although Cleveland is much closer, I chose Columbus because 1) I think there may be less 10C members going to Columbus, thus, better seats 2) not crazy about the Q, fun to go to a different venue and 3) Cleveland is on Mother's Day
Hope you have a great time in Cleveland, though!
Thanks for your awesome attitude! I was kinda thinking along those lines -- sure it'd be great to be in the front every single time, but how awesome to give the chance to the whole 10C! I'm fine four rows further back for the small chance of something better...
Yeah your right to be honest!!!
All those yesterdays
All those yesterdays
All those paper plates