My medical marijuana card is now invalid, here's why....

81

Drowned Out wrote:

Starfall wrote:

Well there's the issue - would you rather the government get revenues from a lucrative cash crop, or would you prefer the drug lords get the money? Whether or not taxes should be lowered elsewhere isn't really the point, and should be addressed in a different discussion.

And if you don't think that the government really does all that much good, well, here's a refresher course. You can thank us liberals later.

Why does doing the right thing have to be conditional? Everyone agrees that criminalizing weed is ridiculous....so why do so many people ad the caveat 'if it's taxed'? Why not completely destroy the market by making it legal for anyone to grow?
A tiny closet can grow enough for your family and close friends, for a miniscule cost.

i'd prefer untaxed, but A we know that will never happen and B if that is what it takes to get it legal then i am willing to make that sacrafice. hopefully they don't tax it all crazy like and make it more expensive that what it already is.

81

Starfall wrote:

81 wrote:

Starfall wrote:

:roll:
At least the government does a lot of good. So you mean you'd rather give brutal criminal gangs like the Mexican drug cartel more money and power?

like Saddam or Binlanden? yeah, the government does a great job of keeping money out of bad people's hands. :roll:

Yeah like all those bad people getting Medicare and Social Security. :roll:

Seems to be a lot of Straw Man arguments here lately.

i guess you missed the point. let me help you out a little.....

i'm saying i would prefer not give money to the drug cartel, just as would prefer to not give money to people in the middle east that would like to kill us. and as well all know, the .gov didn't do a very good job of that.

81

Starfall wrote:

And if you don't think that the government really does all that much good, well, here's a refresher course. You can thank us liberals later.

can i get a refund on Blagovich and that $2.1 billion white elephant know as the Chicago to St. Louis super train. :roll:

Starfall

81 wrote:

i guess you missed the point. let me help you out a little.....

i'm saying i would prefer not give money to the drug cartel, just as would prefer to not give money to people in the middle east that would like to kill us. and as well all know, the .gov didn't do a very good job of that.

RIght, but I did say that the government does "some good", not that it's infallible. Which is why I pointed out the straw man in your argument.

81 wrote:

can i get a refund on Blagovich and that $2.1 billion white elephant know as the Chicago to St. Louis super train. :roll:

Sorry, but Illinois has a history of bipartisan corruption. Can't help you there.

81

i'm going to file you under people that pick an arguement, and no matter what it is, will continue to post silly arguements to try and support your postion. you like straw....

Drowned Out

81 wrote:

i'd prefer untaxed, but A we know that will never happen and B if that is what it takes to get it legal then i am willing to make that sacrafice. hopefully they don't tax it all crazy like and make it more expensive that what it already is.

...and therein lies the rub...well, one of ‘em anyway…
Price and quality are all over the board - by region, 'connection', strain etc....how are they going to regulate it so that people choose the legit market over the black one? The only way to do so is to increase penalties on anyone who doesn’t play by their rules as a deterrent.....Unless it’s handled like home-brew beer and wine…if they let ‘hobbyists’ grow their own, I don’t really care about any of the rest of it….but then….as I said…the black market would completely overtake the legal market – it’s too easy and cheap to grow your own!
So…the most likely legalization scenario is for the government to become the hardass, territorial dealer…forcing everyone to buy from them and them only, or face the consequences. That sucks! I’ll take the baby steps over nothing, but people need to be aware of the possible outcomes…

81

Drowned Out wrote:

81 wrote:

i'd prefer untaxed, but A we know that will never happen and B if that is what it takes to get it legal then i am willing to make that sacrafice. hopefully they don't tax it all crazy like and make it more expensive that what it already is.

...and therein lies the rub...well, one of ‘em anyway…
Price and quality are all over the board - by region, 'connection', strain etc....how are they going to regulate it so that people choose the legit market over the black one? The only way to do so is to increase penalties on anyone who doesn’t play by their rules as a deterrent.....Unless it’s handled like home-brew beer and wine…if they let ‘hobbyists’ grow their own, I don’t really care about any of the rest of it….but then….as I said…the black market would completely overtake the legal market – it’s too easy and cheap to grow your own!
So…the most likely legalization scenario is for the government to become the hardass, territorial dealer…forcing everyone to buy from them and them only, or face the consequences. That sucks! I’ll take the baby steps over nothing, but people need to be aware of the possible outcomes…

i think you would want to license the retailers.

as for suppliers....it wouldn't be much different that micro brewed beer. the best brands (growers) would come to the fore front. sure, you might end up with a dud every now and then, but give it 5 years and i guarentee you would have some brands that would be known country wide for their quality (Sierra Nevada, Magic Hat, etc) and others there were cheaper, but of a lesser quality (Miller, Bud, Coors).

if you want to grow it at home, have at it. save on the taxes, and mark ups that go into buying it.

you do have a point about the black market taken over if everyone grew at home and sold to buddies. maybe like beer, you would need a license for anything above X number of plants. i for one, wouldn't be bothered with growing. i'd rather be able to stop at my local shop and pick up what i wanted.

CROJAM95

Put ur ballz in the microwave

get all the weed ya want
trust me.....

bigbadbill

Horos wrote:

Not sure if I follow. So you lost your card because you chose to buy it from someone not licsensed to issue it?

I didn't lose my card, it was invalid because I wasn't seen by an actual doctor, and it wasn't an official recommendation letter.

RoadTripper

This is such an aggrivating subject to me.

On one hand, you "legalize" it. Therefore, you put it in the governments hand, Allowing them to grow what they want, sell it for what they want, and tax it for what they want.

Or not legalize it. Allow the government to arrest those who they think are breaking the law or get lucky enough to catch.

The middle ground here is so iffy that I'm so glad I'm not in charge of making these decision

Brock Samson

chadwick wrote:

soon enough marijuana will be legal.
the government is losing its death grip on this bullshit law on weed being illegal.

i don't think it's going to happen too soon. if they legalize it, they're going to have to figure out a way to test for it like they test for alcohol with a breathalizer.

WaveCameCrashin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HcXcYlF3_0



reminded me of this move if none of you have never seen this I suggest you do .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa2AGTh96H8&feature=fvw

chadwick

RoadTripper wrote:

This is such an aggrivating subject to me.

On one hand, you "legalize" it. Therefore, you put it in the governments hand, Allowing them to grow what they want, sell it for what they want, and tax it for what they want.

Or not legalize it. Allow the government to arrest those who they think are breaking the law or get lucky enough to catch.

The middle ground here is so iffy that I'm so glad I'm not in charge of making these decision

independent growers like orange grove farmers and what not.

Horos

bigbadbill wrote:

Horos wrote:

Not sure if I follow. So you lost your card because you chose to buy it from someone not licsensed to issue it?

I didn't lose my card, it was invalid because I wasn't seen by an actual doctor, and it wasn't an official recommendation letter.

That's what I was assuming. So how is CBS to blame?