My medical marijuana card is now invalid, here's why....
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but really lets just legalize it, let a couple big corporations take it over, tax the crap out of it to help save our economy and the states that are otherwise going to need a bail out
and I'll go smoke one at my local cafe....
Caps Pearl Jam Cafe and Pizzaria I want to open
now thats a pipe dream
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
I shake my head anytime someone mentions that it would all be OK if we taxed it. The only way that makes sense is if the government would lower taxes in some other area. Then I would be for it.
I'm not interested in giving the government more money and power.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
the government is losing its death grip on this bullshit law on weed being illegal.
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no more forever."
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Actually, the country that actually decriminalized drug usage (the Dutch only choose not to enforce laws) is Portugal.
And by most accounts, the program has been a runaway success.
We're set to vote on decriminalizing marijuana in California in November..... YES WE CAN! *puff*
At least the government does a lot of good. So you mean you'd rather give brutal criminal gangs like the Mexican drug cartel more money and power?
buy weed = house homeless
buy weed = create jobs
idiots in D.C. = dumb assholes
oh and don't forget insurance & pharmaceutical companies = biggest scam artists in the world
wait,,, i gotta vote for george w bush & nutsack dick cheney..
if you voted for these two you should be reprimanded
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Obviously that's not my point and I don't want to give them more money.
What I'm trying to avoid is the government taking even more money and power from us by higher/more taxes. If they are going to realize a new commodity to tax, they need to lower taxes elsewhere.
And count me on the side that doesn't think the government really does all that much good.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
like Saddam or Binlanden? yeah, the government does a great job of keeping money out of bad people's hands. :roll:
Without the extra money coming in, they're instead selling our next generation into debt. If this significantly helps reduce that, then I'm for it.
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Legalizing the weed would produce both excise tax (same as cigarettes and booze) and income tax (legit business owners pay taxes). I much prefer this over no tax revenue from illegal sellers. Call me a sceptic, but I don't think too many illegal sellers report their earnings.
Well there's the issue - would you rather the government get revenues from a lucrative cash crop, or would you prefer the drug lords get the money? Whether or not taxes should be lowered elsewhere isn't really the point, and should be addressed in a different discussion.
And if you don't think that the government really does all that much good, well, here's a refresher course. You can thank us liberals later.
Yeah like all those bad people getting Medicare and Social Security. :roll:
Seems to be a lot of Straw Man arguments here lately.
A tiny closet can grow enough for your family and close friends, for a miniscule cost.
...I like it being free too!
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Like prohibition, they legalized booze so it could be taxed cause the government needed the income and large corporations stepped in to make the product.
whatever I just want it legal in my lifetime and clocks ticking for me
i'd prefer untaxed, but A we know that will never happen and B if that is what it takes to get it legal then i am willing to make that sacrafice. hopefully they don't tax it all crazy like and make it more expensive that what it already is.
i guess you missed the point. let me help you out a little.....
i'm saying i would prefer not give money to the drug cartel, just as would prefer to not give money to people in the middle east that would like to kill us. and as well all know, the .gov didn't do a very good job of that.
can i get a refund on Blagovich and that $2.1 billion white elephant know as the Chicago to St. Louis super train. :roll:
RIght, but I did say that the government does "some good", not that it's infallible. Which is why I pointed out the straw man in your argument.
Sorry, but Illinois has a history of bipartisan corruption. Can't help you there.
Price and quality are all over the board - by region, 'connection', strain etc....how are they going to regulate it so that people choose the legit market over the black one? The only way to do so is to increase penalties on anyone who doesn’t play by their rules as a deterrent.....Unless it’s handled like home-brew beer and wine…if they let ‘hobbyists’ grow their own, I don’t really care about any of the rest of it….but then….as I said…the black market would completely overtake the legal market – it’s too easy and cheap to grow your own!
So…the most likely legalization scenario is for the government to become the hardass, territorial dealer…forcing everyone to buy from them and them only, or face the consequences. That sucks! I’ll take the baby steps over nothing, but people need to be aware of the possible outcomes…
i think you would want to license the retailers.
as for suppliers....it wouldn't be much different that micro brewed beer. the best brands (growers) would come to the fore front. sure, you might end up with a dud every now and then, but give it 5 years and i guarentee you would have some brands that would be known country wide for their quality (Sierra Nevada, Magic Hat, etc) and others there were cheaper, but of a lesser quality (Miller, Bud, Coors).
if you want to grow it at home, have at it. save on the taxes, and mark ups that go into buying it.
you do have a point about the black market taken over if everyone grew at home and sold to buddies. maybe like beer, you would need a license for anything above X number of plants. i for one, wouldn't be bothered with growing. i'd rather be able to stop at my local shop and pick up what i wanted.
get all the weed ya want
trust me.....
On one hand, you "legalize" it. Therefore, you put it in the governments hand, Allowing them to grow what they want, sell it for what they want, and tax it for what they want.
Or not legalize it. Allow the government to arrest those who they think are breaking the law or get lucky enough to catch.
The middle ground here is so iffy that I'm so glad I'm not in charge of making these decision