Pearl Jam and suicide?

stevehomeair

Since I consider The Jamily my second family,just felt like airing my grievence. I appoligize I am selfish and should keep my personal life to my immediate family, from now on I'll stay off the board and just talk to myself..peace

Suziemay

stevehomeair wrote:

Since I consider The Jamily my second family,just felt like airing my grievence. I appoligize I am selfish and should keep my personal life to my immediate family, from now on I'll stay off the board and just talk to myself..peace

steve, I don't think that's what starmap meant. Jamily is second family so you should post if you feel like it. You've been getting plenty of support on this thread.

mfc2006

stevehomeair wrote:

Since I consider The Jamily my second family,just felt like airing my grievence. I appoligize I am selfish and should keep my personal life to my immediate family, from now on I'll stay off the board and just talk to myself..peace

post away, man. i don't think that's what he/she meant at all. keep your head up & things will get better.

take care,
Matt

ms.honeymeister

dude, it sucks that you got to that point, in the future if you are having thoughts of self harm or suicidal ideation....talk to someone. a friend, a provider, a hotline, people on the board....just someone. talking to yourself got you to the point where you thought it was ok to hurt yourself in the first place. that option isn't working.

i'm a nurse and have worked at an involuntary psych hospital for nearly 9 years. the meds DO HELP! the reason they can increase suicide risk initially is because after starting them, people who have a vegetative depression, now have the energy to actually try to kill themselves and it is up to the providers and social support to make sure the person is safe during this period. it takes up to 4 weeks for the meds to kick in...you will feel negative side effects first...it always happens, but if you hang on another couple weeks you WILL start feeling better.

i don't know you so i am not going to attempt at diagnosing or treating you, but keep up with seeing an outpatient provider, stay on the meds, and try to keep in contact with those that love you... it will get better.

if you have questions about meds or something send me a pm.

ms.honeymeister

2-feign-reluctance wrote:

TravisTheSky wrote:

Take at least 5,000 IU of Vitamin D3 every day, along with at least one gram of high quality Omega-3 oils, like flaxseed oil or fish oil. (See the thread on flax in the AET section.
Most of us are severely deficient, causing a plague of depression and other illness. Pharmaceutical "anti-depressants" simply increase one's risk of suicide.

Sorry, but that's simply not 100% accurate. Clinical grade depression cannot be contained with flax seed and other homeopathic avenues. Respectfully disagree with your response speaking as a licensed clinician who works in psychiatry/mental health.

It's up to you!

vitamin D is a great adjunct therapy to anti-depressants...ask your provider. especially during the winter months, unless you live in so. cal or florida you probably don't get enought vit D...we could all use a little extra. in addition to elevating mood, researchers have also found a correlation between vit D deficiency and multiple sclerosis...and it also helps with calcium absorption for strong bones.

DO take the Vit D... but if you have major depressive disorder or any other mood disorder, it's not enough by itself.

TravisTheSky

2-feign-reluctance wrote:

Sorry, but that's simply not 100% accurate. Clinical grade depression cannot be contained with flax seed and other homeopathic avenues. Respectfully disagree with your response speaking as a licensed clinician who works in psychiatry/mental health.

We all understand that this is a pop band forum, not "Ask The Doctor." Vitamin D3 and essential fatty acids are not homeopathic remedies, they are vital nutrients.

My post was not explanatory enough: When I had brutal depression in the early 90s, all of the many doctors who 'treated' me NEVER mentioned nutrition. I was put on all manner of drugs that caused: Tardive dyskenesia, insomnia, double vision, constant hunger with attendant weight gain, inability to orgasm, near-constant menstruation, breast lactation. One drug dehydrated all of my body fluids so badly that I could not complete a sentence due to lack of saliva, and I would defecate about once a week because with no water in the stool, there was no mass taking up any room.
Another drug would suddenly drop a thought as I was thinking it: For example, I'd be wondering "What should I have for lunch? Let's see,there are burritos in the fridge." Bang! In an instant, it would be "Shit! I was just sitting here thinking about something. What the hell was it???" The prescribing psychiatrist said that this was a good outcome. If I could not complete a thought, I could not be depressed or anxious. Seriously! Got bad thoughts? Become a vegetable!
The only panic attack I've ever had in my entire life occurred when I was on psychotropic meds. I also had a severe allergic reaction to a tiny test dose of one drug.

I had several doctors on both coasts. So it's not as if I just had a bad experience with one useless doctor. NOT ONE DOCTOR OR DRUG HELPED ME IN THE LEAST! Looking back, my depression was mid-life-crisis-type of growing pains from coming of age in my late teens/early 20s.

And I lived on a diet of processed crap.

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The OP of this thread lives in the cold north. Only the southern United States get the proper angle of sunlight over the winter to be able to manufacture Vitamin D through the skin. People in the rest of the country cannot make any natural D. None. Midwesterners can stand in the winter sun all day, with the sun reflecting off the white snow giving them sunburn. They will get ZERO percent of their Vitamin D!

The northern states suffer cancer at three times the rate of southern states, due to the lack of sun. Being out in the summer sun at midday, a white person will make at least 1,000 IU per minute! Any reserves of D that the body had to get a northerner through the winter will have been depleted to nil in recent months. Supplementation is crucial to stave off disease and keep brains healthy.

There are well-published studies comparing Omega-3s to anti-depressants and placebo. In the first 6 months of use, all 3 substances show a slight improvement in depression symptoms. After 6 months, anti-depressants and placebo wane. But Omega-3s take off, with patients reporting that they feel better and better.
Think of it this way: Depression is often called a chemical imbalance. But that imbalance is not a deficiency in Prozac. People without depression aren't walking around with nice high prozac levels in their systems keeping them balanced. It is something else entirely. Malnutrition is one easy answer that DOES cause depression. Of course it is not the only cause. But reversing malnutrition has no risk, and the only side effects are better health.

Gibson

Hey!

Just glad to see you made the post. Next time you're at a show I am at, I'll owe you a beer.

starmap3333

Yeah, that's not what I meant but being a social worker for 8 years until i fucked my own life up... it's typical to get a reaction like that... the defensive and snap-judgement thought processes that accompany depression and lead to projecting and reading into what people say....

Obviously I didn't mean what you projected. Good luck and, yes, one day at a time...

Peace.

starmap3333

TravisTheSky wrote:

2-feign-reluctance wrote:

Sorry, but that's simply not 100% accurate. Clinical grade depression cannot be contained with flax seed and other homeopathic avenues. Respectfully disagree with your response speaking as a licensed clinician who works in psychiatry/mental health.

We all understand that this is a pop band forum, not "Ask The Doctor." Vitamin D3 and essential fatty acids are not homeopathic remedies, they are vital nutrients.

My post was not explanatory enough: When I had brutal depression in the early 90s, all of the many doctors who 'treated' me NEVER mentioned nutrition. I was put on all manner of drugs that caused: Tardive dyskenesia, insomnia, double vision, constant hunger with attendant weight gain, inability to orgasm, near-constant menstruation, breast lactation. One drug dehydrated all of my body fluids so badly that I could not complete a sentence due to lack of saliva, and I would defecate about once a week because with no water in the stool, there was no mass taking up any room.
Another drug would suddenly drop a thought as I was thinking it: For example, I'd be wondering "What should I have for lunch? Let's see,there are burritos in the fridge." Bang! In an instant, it would be "Shit! I was just sitting here thinking about something. What the hell was it???" The prescribing psychiatrist said that this was a good outcome. If I could not complete a thought, I could not be depressed or anxious. Seriously! Got bad thoughts? Become a vegetable!
The only panic attack I've ever had in my entire life occurred when I was on psychotropic meds. I also had a severe allergic reaction to a tiny test dose of one drug.

I had several doctors on both coasts. So it's not as if I just had a bad experience with one useless doctor. NOT ONE DOCTOR OR DRUG HELPED ME IN THE LEAST! Looking back, my depression was mid-life-crisis-type of growing pains from coming of age in my late teens/early 20s.

And I lived on a diet of processed crap.

---

The OP of this thread lives in the cold north. Only the southern United States get the proper angle of sunlight over the winter to be able to manufacture Vitamin D through the skin. People in the rest of the country cannot make any natural D. None. Midwesterners can stand in the winter sun all day, with the sun reflecting off the white snow giving them sunburn. They will get ZERO percent of their Vitamin D!

The northern states suffer cancer at three times the rate of southern states, due to the lack of sun. Being out in the summer sun at midday, a white person will make at least 1,000 IU per minute! Any reserves of D that the body had to get a northerner through the winter will have been depleted to nil in recent months. Supplementation is crucial to stave off disease and keep brains healthy.

There are well-published studies comparing Omega-3s to anti-depressants and placebo. In the first 6 months of use, all 3 substances show a slight improvement in depression symptoms. After 6 months, anti-depressants and placebo wane. But Omega-3s take off, with patients reporting that they feel better and better.
Think of it this way: Depression is often called a chemical imbalance. But that imbalance is not a deficiency in Prozac. People without depression aren't walking around with nice high prozac levels in their systems keeping them balanced. It is something else entirely. Malnutrition is one easy answer that DOES cause depression. Of course it is not the only cause. But reversing malnutrition has no risk, and the only side effects are better health.

2-feign is right... but nutrition does play a role in feeling healthy in general (obviously)... it's not a cure-all for a condition such as depression though. The person, with help from meds (if recommended, and by a PROFESSIONAL) and CONSUMING YOUR TIME WITH PROJECTS & FAMILY (imho), can overcome. Feeling productive is key in feeling better. Therapy sometimes just keeps you fixated on your "shit" instead of moving on from it.

Thoughts_Arrive

pjamaholic wrote:

Thoughts_Arrive wrote:

TravisTheSky wrote:

Take at least 5,000 IU of Vitamin D3 every day, along with at least one gram of high quality Omega-3 oils, like flaxseed oil or fish oil. (See the thread on flax in the AET section.)

Most of us are severely deficient, causing a plague of depression and other illness. Pharmaceutical "anti-depressants" simply increase one's risk of suicide.

It's up to you!

haha that's what I've started doing 3 weeks ago.
Doctor told me I am Vitamin D deficient.

It seems doctors are telling a lot of people that they're vitamin d deficient nowadays. I bought my daughter some vitamin d pills a while ago, because with her behaviour and not getting out enough in the sun I felt she could do with them. If you don't want to take the vitamin d, go out and get a good dose of the sun whenever you can, your brain needs plenty of LIGHT and the sun is an excellent source of vitamin d. Never understood why some people seem to darken up their houses, keeping curtains drawn etc. I've been in some such houses and I just want to tell the people inside them to open the curtains and let the light in. Darkness/lack of light is DEPRESSING, I know how bad I feel if the weather is gloomy and grey day in, day out. A lot of people in England tend to get that illness SAD (seasonal affective disorder) cos from what I can gather, they don't get enough light. One of my friends suffers from this form of depression. Pharmaceutical anti depressants work with some people, but not everyone. I know cos I had to go on them for a year and they helped me when I was depressed.

Anyway man I hope you feel better soon, at least you have family and friends to surround yourself with and hopefully support you in the way you need. Most of mine have died. And keep listening to Pearl Jam, they help me feel better whenever I get down!

Aussie sun is dangerous.
I sunburn easy so I don't go out in the sun.
No tan here, only when I come back from Europe I get a tan, that sun is nice there, no burning!

Snoopy Died For Our Sins

OceansMagnet

"Fuck me if I say something you don't wanna hear, fuck me!"

Hang in there guys.. Snoopy, It's gonna be okay, bud. I think a lot of us have been where you and the OP have been.. some of us on multiple occasions.. The bad rough patches in life sometimes seem to go on forever.. Just remember that it DOES get better. Your friends on this board are very real and very much here for you. Sure we all only meet up at the occasional show, but it is more than just the music that we all share. We also share the way that this music has helped pull us through some tough shit.. My mother passed away 10 days after the Philly show last year, and Long Road/Thumbing My Way/Love Boat Captain/Times of Trouble have all helped me through.. I have had reservations about posting anything about my own personal pain on here, but I feel that it is time to just be real with some of you guys.. This community was intended to connect us in order to find joy, comfort, and solace.. Lately it has been filled with selfish negativity. We can make this a good place to meet friends and share our troubles and struggles without all the whiny "I didn't get tickets, The price is too high, etc.
" bullshit that has seemed to dominate the forums lately... I can only speak for myself, but from the small amount of time that I have been around here, I believe there are plenty of people here willing to listen to and encourage one another.. I know that if anyone needs a friend, I am here for you...

mfc2006

Well said, bhigh....

It'll get better, Snoopy.

pandora

live for your family or your jamily just please choose to live
life has a way of working out if you choose it

Suziemay

pandora wrote:

live for your family or your jamily just please choose to live
life has a way of working out if you choose it

Word. steve, snoopy and everyone else out there feeling beat down, please don't be hard on yourself and do take time to care for yourself. What makes you the most happy? If it's Pearl Jam, listen to Pearl Jam every morning before you do anything else. Chocolate? Make sure you eat chocolate with every single meal. Going commando? Um, do that too. Allow yourself some time during the day where you are focused on yourself and not bogged down by worries. Even if it's 30 minutes in a day.

Just know you're not alone.

stevehomeair

Not on anti depressants...On mood stabilizers 200mg seroquil and 500 depakote in the am..the 500 depakote w/dinner..then 400 seroquil at bedtime...Yes I need to watch my MSG level since metro Detroit is not the healthiest of cities..not many veggie choices..I was fine in Portland from 96-03..Then the wife of ten years decided she wanted to be a String Cheese Incident groupie..LOL...not for me...

p.s. my benny vinyl is on ebay now..I got a bit of the GREEN DISEASE...hhehehe..happy bidding..peace and $$

pandora

Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:

sorry, but if I didn't have 2 kids, I'd blow my fucking head off right now............and, no, I'm not kidding...good night

yes our kids are the best reason to live, "once you have a child suicide is no longer an option" but one more thought in that is "once you are somebody's child suicide is no longer an option". Meaning suicide is just not an option it hurts those that loved us the most in this life. Finding,embracing love, being strong for that love is the only option. Your kids are very happy you are choosing life, me too