This Sh*t Pisses Me Off!

OnTheEdge

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Another top AlQaida member walking off into the sunset.

And I bet he's laughing at us the whole way.

Commy

know your enemy.



George Bush's policy killed over 1 million people, does that bother you? Obama is waging a war against a people, does that bother you?



You don't have to look far to find the real terrorists.

OnTheEdge

Commy wrote:

know your enemy.



George Bush's policy killed over 1 million people, does that bother you? Obama is waging a war against a people, does that bother you?



You don't have to look far to find the real terrorists.

I knew somebody would try to defend this but it breaks my heart that it's the first post and so soon.

TriumphantAngel

mb262200 wrote:

Commy wrote:

know your enemy.



George Bush's policy killed over 1 million people, does that bother you? Obama is waging a war against a people, does that bother you?



You don't have to look far to find the real terrorists.

I knew somebody would try to defend this but it breaks my heart that it's the first post and so soon.

he raises a valid point, do you at least agree on that?

OnTheEdge

TriumphantAngel wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

Commy wrote:

know your enemy.



George Bush's policy killed over 1 million people, does that bother you? Obama is waging a war against a people, does that bother you?



You don't have to look far to find the real terrorists.

I knew somebody would try to defend this but it breaks my heart that it's the first post and so soon.

he raises a valid point, do you at least agree on that?

First of all, I don't know where you come up with 1 million people. But yes, any inocent civilian getting killed over war bothers me. For the second question......Obama is waging a war on AlQaida terorists, I do not believe they even deserve to be labeled as "a people". Don't forget....THEY declared war on US! But all in all, I would like to see ALL the troops come home and dump all our war money into homeland security.

Starfall

See, that's the problem with all of the chickenhawks bloviating about the need for military commissions, secret detentions, enhanced interrogations, and all these illegal tactics employed by the Bush Administration. People like that wind up getting off scot free:
"Military commission trials are a recent contrivance with a limited, unsatisfactory record. Three commission trials resulted in convictions, two with sentences of less than a year."

Meanwhile, the Obama Justice Department, captured a high value detainee, who has since plead guilty to the most serious terror plot since 9/11. Looks like he's going to be put away for a long, long time, and he spilled the beans on the plot, too.
Not to forget the Fruit of the Loom Bomber, who also confessed to the FBI.

Oh yeah, there have been over 319 convictions or guilty pleas in the civilian courts. Just so we get some perspective here.

g under p

mb262200 wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

Commy wrote:

know your enemy.



George Bush's policy killed over 1 million people, does that bother you? Obama is waging a war against a people, does that bother you?



You don't have to look far to find the real terrorists.

he raises a valid point, do you at least agree on that?

First of all, I don't know where you come up with 1 million people. But yes, any inocent civilian getting killed over war bothers me. For the second question......Obama is waging a war on AlQaida terorists, I do not believe they even deserve to be labeled as "a people". Don't forget....THEY declared war on US! But all in all, I would like to see ALL the troops come home and dump all our war money into homeland security.

.....and don't forget health care.

peace

gimmesometruth27

mb262200 wrote:

First of all, I don't know where you come up with 1 million people. But yes, any inocent civilian getting killed over war bothers me. For the second question......Obama is waging a war on AlQaida terorists, I do not believe they even deserve to be labeled as "a people". Don't forget....THEY declared war on US! But all in all, I would like to see ALL the troops come home and dump all our war money into homeland security.

one million people was the accepted number from aid organizations like the red cross and unicef...

innocent civillians are killed all the time. and most of those killed have been civillians, women and children..ever hear of the weddings getting bombed by mistake in iraq and now pakistan by our lovely predator drones? not to mention those killed in shooting rampages by the likes of blackwater...

last time i checked, al queda is not a country or government, thus under international law there is no way they can declare war on anyone...and we are no better because terrorism is a tactic and you can not declare war on a tactic....its like declaring a war on landmines....

alivegirl

mb262200 wrote:

First of all, I don't know where you come up with 1 million people.

You don't have to look too far, Antiwar.com. It's in the activism section of this site.

OnTheEdge

You people are wacked!! Is there anybody here that is not an anti american terorists supporter that is pissed off about this?

gimmesometruth27

mb262200 wrote:

You people are wacked!! Is there anybody here that is not an anti american terorists supporter that is pissed off about this?

why does everyone have to be pro something or anti something to you? things are not so black and white all of the time...i am not anti american, and i am not anti terrorist because i can see and understand why they do what they do. i don't condone it, but i can see their point. i trust our justice system, and if we do things the military tribunal way people are going to walk scott free. that is evidenced by i think it was starfall's post...

Starfall

mb262200 wrote:

You people are wacked!! Is there anybody here that is not an anti american terorists supporter that is pissed off about this?

I'm pissed off at the goddamned Bush administration for starting that whole Gitmo crap instead of giving him to civilian law enforcement. This guy could have been in prison for life instead of walking away free.

Is that too much for you to understand?

OnTheEdge

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

You people are wacked!! Is there anybody here that is not an anti american terorists supporter that is pissed off about this?

why does everyone have to be pro something or anti something to you? things are not so black and white all of the time...i am not anti american, and i am not anti terrorist because i can see and understand why they do what they do. i don't condone it, but i can see their point. i trust our justice system, and if we do things the military tribunal way people are going to walk scott free. that is evidenced by i think it was starfall's post...

Whatever! The thought that someone can sit there and say they are not anti terorist and can understand why they do what they do (fly a couple planes into buildings killing almost 3,000 american civilians) makes me sick to my stomach. Maybe you should be put on a watch list and maybe a wiretap on your phone wouldn't be such a bad idea either.

Starfalls post Yeah the guy that set his pecker on fire pleaded guilty, fuckin duh! What was he going to say....he didn't do it?

gimmesometruth27

mb262200 wrote:

Whatever! The thought that someone can sit there and say they are not anti terorist and can understand why they do what they do (fly a couple planes into buildings killing almost 3,000 american civilians) makes me sick to my stomach. Maybe you should be put on a watch list and maybe a wiretap on your phone wouldn't be such a bad idea either.

Starfalls post Yeah the guy that set his pecker on fire pleaded guilty, fuckin duh! What was he going to say....he didn't do it?

did i defend them? NO! did i praise them? NO! did i say thank god for 911?? HELL NO!!
so don't put words in my mouth! and for you to flat out say i need to be put on a watch list and have my phone tapped is fucking bullshit :evil:

maybe if you would shut up for once and listen to what motivates these people you might learn something. by you not understanding their motives you are only encouraging them with your arrogance. you will never stop terrorism until you can understand what motivates them and maybe try to not encourage them...

as far as your anger goes, blame the clusterfuck on what bush's administration did. they thought they were so smart with these military tribunals and all of the torture at gitmo and look how many people have gotten off because of it...

Starfall

mb262200 wrote:

Starfalls post Yeah the guy that set his pecker on fire pleaded guilty, fuckin duh! What was he going to say....he didn't do it?

He could have been thrown into Gitmo, waterboarded, and all that shit that the neocons decided was good, and got nothing out of him, just like everyone one else who was sent there.
Meanwhile, the FBI interrogated him, and he turned in some actual, actionable intelligence.
Since, you know, our law enforcement is part of government, and government can't do anything right. :roll:

gimmesometruth27

Starfall wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

Starfalls post Yeah the guy that set his pecker on fire pleaded guilty, fuckin duh! What was he going to say....he didn't do it?

He could have been thrown into Gitmo, waterboarded, and all that shit that the neocons decided was good, and got nothing out of him, just like everyone one else who was sent there.
Meanwhile, the FBI interrogated him, and he turned in some actual, actionable intelligence.
Since, you know, our law enforcement is part of government, and government can't do anything right. :roll:

not to mention, if he had gone to gitmo and confessed under torture, that confession would most likely have been thrown out since it was obtained under duress...

g under p

mb262200 wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

You people are wacked!! Is there anybody here that is not an anti american terorists supporter that is pissed off about this?

why does everyone have to be pro something or anti something to you? things are not so black and white all of the time...i am not anti american, and i am not anti terrorist because i can see and understand why they do what they do. i don't condone it, but i can see their point. i trust our justice system, and if we do things the military tribunal way people are going to walk scott free. that is evidenced by i think it was starfall's post...

Whatever! The thought that someone can sit there and say they are not anti terorist and can understand why they do what they do (fly a couple planes into buildings killing almost 3,000 american civilians) makes me sick to my stomach. Maybe you should be put on a watch list and maybe a wiretap on your phone wouldn't be such a bad idea either.

Starfalls post Yeah the guy that set his pecker on fire pleaded guilty, fuckin duh! What was he going to say....he didn't do it?

Typical answer when there's nothing else to say. Come up with something to get under someone's skin...a trend you seem to be getting better at, how Pro~American of you.

Peace

Starfall

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

Starfall wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

Starfalls post Yeah the guy that set his pecker on fire pleaded guilty, fuckin duh! What was he going to say....he didn't do it?

He could have been thrown into Gitmo, waterboarded, and all that shit that the neocons decided was good, and got nothing out of him, just like everyone one else who was sent there.
Meanwhile, the FBI interrogated him, and he turned in some actual, actionable intelligence.
Since, you know, our law enforcement is part of government, and government can't do anything right. :roll:

not to mention, if he had gone to gitmo and confessed under torture, that confession would most likely have been thrown out since it was obtained under duress...

Exactly, but it's not just that. The biggest problem with torture is that it's an unreliable way of getting information. People will say stuff under torture just to make the torture stop, so they will tell you what they think you want to hear, not what you should hear.

Austicman

mb262200 wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704841304575138013356640710.html#articleTabs=article

Another top AlQaida member walking off into the sunset.

And I bet he's laughing at us the whole way.

Thats what happens when you don't treat POW's as POW's under the Geneva Convention.

Cosmo

mb262200 wrote:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB20001424052748704841304575138013356640710.html#articleTabs=article

Another top AlQaida member walking off into the sunset.

And I bet he's laughing at us the whole way.

...
If the United States did not use tactics that are typically associated with the KGB or Gestapo and used tactics that are typically associated with the 'Good Guys'... these types of things would not occur and the guy would be getting bent over at Pelican Bay as we speak.
Be angry... YES. At the Bush Administration for not acting like America and did things that allowed him to go free.

TriumphantAngel

mb262200 wrote:

You people are wacked!! Is there anybody here that is not an anti american terorists supporter that is pissed off about this?

you are directing your anger at the wrong people. direct your anger at the Bush Administration. they are the ones who messed up big time here.

and i say this often too you. i'm hoping one day it might sink in. being critical of ones government (past or present), does not make someone anti american.