creation by evolution

mbangel10

Religion vs. Science, who cares..... come 12/21/2012 we're all going to cease to exist anyway. POOF! Now put that in your one hitter and smoke it.

mysticweed

mbangel10 wrote:

Religion vs. Science, who cares..... come 12/21/2012 we're all going to cease to exist anyway. POOF! Now put that in your one hitter and smoke it.

2012 watch it go to fire??
Do you, then believe all of the Mayan teachings?
Do you, for example, believe that humans were first made of mud, then wood, then amber before the flesh, blood, and bone variety we are now?
If so, then you can wait anxiously for 12/21/2012. I will choose not to loose any sleep over this, and trust me the bong will be dusted off to be sure.

mbangel10

lettinggo wrote:

mbangel10 wrote:

Religion vs. Science, who cares..... come 12/21/2012 we're all going to cease to exist anyway. POOF! Now put that in your one hitter and smoke it.

2012 watch it go to fire??
Do you, then believe all of the Mayan teachings?
Do you, for example, believe that humans were first made of mud, then wood, then amber before the flesh, blood, and bone variety we are now?
If so, then you can wait anxiously for 12/21/2012. I will choose not to loose any sleep over this, and trust me the bong will be dusted off to be sure.

You've just turned the one hitter into a two hitter, my friend. If I make it to a third maybe I'll ponder over those questions... unless I get the munchies first. I do have priorities.

And why do I suddenly have this song in my head:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqV2bk_jmCY

Fifthelement

tinkerbell wrote:

. . . Santa, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy aren't real . . .

:shock: NOT REAL!!!!! OMG, you've crushed my soul

JordyWordy

just to clairify: i'm a big fan of people having personal beliefs.

But having personal beliefs is nothing to do with organised religion imo - the two can coincide, but aint the same.

someone hinted at my point earlier - different doctrines/churches/whatever all fighting and hating and waging war in the name of the same bloke/lassie/deity (or Mr. A.N. Other to u & me)......i mean, whichever arsehole set the hole thing in motion has a lot to answer for.

That and the inventor of Hello Kitty. That shit is evil.

tinkerbell

JordyWordy wrote:

That and the inventor of Hello Kitty. That shit is evil.

:twisted:

pickupyourwill

lettinggo wrote:

God said let there be light and 14 billions years later, here we all are. At what point of our evolution did we cease to be soulless? When did God insert the soul? At what point did humans, having mastered the primal needs of food and shelter, have enough of a grasp on good and evil to be responsible for our eternal souls? At what point of our physical evolution did God sit back and say, "OK, close enough. Here is a soul. Now go do your best or worst, I'll see you when it's all over, and we'll chat"?
I mean really. I would like to know?

:? my head hurts. I think its time for bed. g'night.

JonnyPistachio

Fifthelement wrote:

tinkerbell wrote:

. . . Santa, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy aren't real . . .

:shock: NOT REAL!!!!! OMG, you've crushed my soul

it's ok dude.. at least Batman is real.

know1

There is some pretty close minded stuff here.

Even science takes faith in something that cannot be proven.

For example, most people would acknowledge that gravity is a concept that has been proven. But what if we woke up tomorrow and gravity doesn't exist anymore? Doesn't it take faith to believe that it will still be there?

And what's with all the comments about laying claim to God. I don't even know what that means.

And you can say what you want about religion and churches, but I know that many, many churches do a whole lot of good out in the world. Far too much good to simply be dismissed by close minded arrogance.

JonnyPistachio

know1 wrote:

There is some pretty close minded stuff here.

Even science takes faith in something that cannot be proven.

For example, most people would acknowledge that gravity is a concept that has been proven. But what if we woke up tomorrow and gravity doesn't exist anymore? Doesn't it take faith to believe that it will still be there?

And what's with all the comments about laying claim to God. I don't even know what that means.

And you can say what you want about religion and churches, but I know that many, many churches do a whole lot of good out in the world. Far too much good to simply be dismissed by close minded arrogance.

Science takes faith in something that cannot be proven? And your example is what if gravity was no longer present?!?!? umm, WHAT?

Even if this theoretical disaster should occur, don't you think scientists would be the first to give us tha basic understanding of why it happened...not a priest, monk, or nun? that is of course after all the scientists, nuns, and Pearl Jam fans were scooped up out of the atmosphere and given velcro shoes.

Many people in this thread are stating their beliefs. nothing wrong with that last I checked. And as I agree with many people in this thread, I dont think anyone here is bashing the good that your average church, synagog, etc. does. However, I dont think you can argue that religion hasnt been the catalyst for many wars and a lot of violence. There are more than two sides to this coin, of course.

CLose minded? I don't think so, I admit that I believe Batman is real.

mysticweed

know1 wrote:

There is some pretty close minded stuff here.

Even science takes faith in something that cannot be proven.

For example, most people would acknowledge that gravity is a concept that has been proven. But what if we woke up tomorrow and gravity doesn't exist anymore? Doesn't it take faith to believe that it will still be there?

And what's with all the comments about laying claim to God. I don't even know what that means.

And you can say what you want about religion and churches, but I know that many, many churches do a whole lot of good out in the world. Far too much good to simply be dismissed by close minded arrogance.

Point taken. Churches do help.
I take exception with religions that have consistently waged war, holy wars, for fuck sake. Protected pedophiles for fuck sake. Burned, maimed, tortured, and killed in the name of, you guessed it "JESUS. GOD, or ALLAH" for fuck sake.
I was raised southern baptist and was taught that if you do not believe in the virgin birth and the resurection and baptism, that you will go to hell. You will join the likes of Hitler and Atilla, as well as the likes of Ghandi and Sidartha Gautama and some still remote tribes in south america, africa, and austrailia because there is NO gray area here. This is what I referred to as "laying claim to God". Christians believe that they alone will go to heaven. Some christians believe that other christians will not go to heaven and fought about it for centuries.
Churches help? Sure. Some churches will help anyone but some limit their help to those fortunate souls that they must first deem worthy.
Well
AFW
Peace

redmosquito10

JonnyPistachio wrote:

Science takes faith in something that cannot be proven? And your example is what if gravity was no longer present?!?!? umm, WHAT?

Even if this theoretical disaster should occur, don't you think scientists would be the first to give us tha basic understanding of why it happened...not a priest, monk, or nun? that is of course after all the scientists, nuns, and Pearl Jam fans were scooped up out of the atmosphere and given velcro shoes.

I think you missed his point. It's not "well what if gravity just stopped" it's that we still have not found any cause for gravity. Typical scientific thought is: if you can't prove it to me, i either don't believe or i withhold judgment.
Well, no one has proven why (or technically, that) gravity exists, but we still sure as hell believe it.

As far as how this applies to religion/faith: Science requires faith. The fact that we don't understand the most fundamental building blocks of our world means that accepting all the conclusions arrived at, which are necessarily built upon these phenomena we don't understand, by definition, requires faith.

That's about as clearly as I can put it right now, but like most people have said, believe what you want as long as it doesn't hurt others, but I would add that this stuff doesn't all have to be mutually exclusive. I'm an ecology and evolutionary biology student, for god's sake, doesn't mean I can't accept evolution and other stuff as well.