creation by evolution

mysticweed

God said let there be light and 14 billions years later, here we all are. At what point of our evolution did we cease to be soulless? When did God insert the soul? At what point did humans, having mastered the primal needs of food and shelter, have enough of a grasp on good and evil to be responsible for our eternal souls? At what point of our physical evolution did God sit back and say, "OK, close enough. Here is a soul. Now go do your best or worst, I'll see you when it's all over, and we'll chat"?
I mean really. I would like to know?

eyedclaar

Who or what is this "God" thingamajiggy you keep talking about?

bernmodi

Don't children believe that every living thing or even such things as stones have a soul? I like that thought. Most religions suck because they are so anthropocentric. If there's a God I'm sure he cares about more than just homo sapiens.

mysticweed

eyedclaar wrote:

Who or what is this "God" thingamajiggy you keep talking about?

I have ridden my firm belief in evolution of all, beginning with the universe(s) to where I just have to ask from where did that pin point of alpha come? I only say god because I know of no other term for it, whatever "it" is. Would I say god is a woman - hell no. Evolution has served women no better than creation. But it all came from somewhere, and the vastness of it all has not even begun to be realized.

mookeywrench

July 17th 2,652,266 B.C. I'm suprised you didn't know that

MayDay10

i dont know

JordyWordy

i need to smoke something pretty serious before i could answer this question.

in my sober state i'll guess.........probably the time that humans invented the concept of organised religion. That's when it all went tits-up.

mysticweed

JordyWordy wrote:

i need to smoke something pretty serious before i could answer this question.

in my sober state i'll guess.........probably the time that humans invented the concept of organised religion. That's when it all went tits-up.

JW, I have NO use for organized religion. Not one person, group of people, planet, galaxy, or even universe can lay claim to god, NOT ONE.

small town beck

JordyWordy wrote:

i need to smoke something pretty serious before i could answer this question.

in my sober state i'll guess.........probably the time that humans invented the concept of organised religion. That's when it all went tits-up.

Well said, Jordy

I was just sitting back thinking everybody must be high today but me with all the topics going around.

he still stands

The answer: someone needs to poke your nose and say "boop"

mookeywrench

lettinggo wrote:

JordyWordy wrote:

i need to smoke something pretty serious before i could answer this question.

in my sober state i'll guess.........probably the time that humans invented the concept of organised religion. That's when it all went tits-up.

JW, I have NO use for organized religion. Not one person, group of people, planet, galaxy, or even universe can lay claim to god, NOT ONE.

well that's nice and open minded....

Why can't someone have blind faith? If someone wants to believe and develop a personal connection with a higher power why not let them?

eyedclaar

mookeywrench wrote:

well that's nice and open minded....

Why can't someone have blind faith? If someone wants to believe and develop a personal connection with a higher power why not let them?

I'm pretty sure you already know this, but just because someone believes in something with all their heart, that doesn't make it true. Every single one of us can "lay claim" to God. It amounts to jack and shit, but we can still do it.

mookeywrench

eyedclaar wrote:

mookeywrench wrote:

well that's nice and open minded....

Why can't someone have blind faith? If someone wants to believe and develop a personal connection with a higher power why not let them?

I'm pretty sure you already know this, but just because someone believes in something with all their heart, that doesn't make it true. Every single one of us can "lay claim" to God. It amounts to jack and shit, but we can still do it.

well it amounts to jack and shit to you, but if it amounts to something material to someone else...then what's the problem?

If religion builds and develops their spirit/moral reasoning in a healthy manner....then I say good for them.

mysticweed

mookeywrench wrote:

lettinggo wrote:

JordyWordy wrote:

i need to smoke something pretty serious before i could answer this question.

in my sober state i'll guess.........probably the time that humans invented the concept of organised religion. That's when it all went tits-up.

JW, I have NO use for organized religion. Not one person, group of people, planet, galaxy, or even universe can lay claim to god, NOT ONE.

well that's nice and open minded....

Why can't someone have blind faith? If someone wants to believe and develop a personal connection with a higher power why not let them?

Have all the faith you want, I too believe in a higher power. Just do not tell me that your way is the only way.

mookeywrench

I agree with that...Religion is a personal thing, that should stay personal and can be shared with others but not imposed on others.

but this reasoning should go for all theories; including atheism and people who believe purely in science.

eyedclaar

mookeywrench wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

mookeywrench wrote:

well that's nice and open minded....

Why can't someone have blind faith? If someone wants to believe and develop a personal connection with a higher power why not let them?

I'm pretty sure you already know this, but just because someone believes in something with all their heart, that doesn't make it true. Every single one of us can "lay claim" to God. It amounts to jack and shit, but we can still do it.

well it amounts to jack and shit to you, but if it amounts to something material to someone else...then what's the problem?

If religion builds and develops their spirit/moral reasoning in a healthy manner....then I say good for them.

Allow me to butcher a batman quote, if I may. I don't give a fuck what man-made religion you subscribe to, it's what you do that defines you. If you need to believe in a big white beard in the sky in order to do the right thing, then go for it. Still doesn't make it real.

mookeywrench

but saying that it's not real is, in my opinion, the equivilent of saying that science is the only way you can approach something like this.

which is contradictory to saying you can't impose and beliefs on another person.

is reality the same in the science world versus the world of blind faith and spirituality?

look at the economy; it's something that is entirely created by human theories and only exists through blind faith, yet on a global scale a large majority of people believe in its existence even though there's no science that can prove it.

gabers

OP, it kinda sounds like you're mixing together two schools of thought. At least in the pure form, creationists believe the earth is only like 5,000 years old.

mysticweed

gabers wrote:

OP, it kinda sounds like you're mixing together two schools of thought. At least in the pure form, creationists believe the earth is only like 5,000 years old.

Creation by evolution took +/- 14 billion years. Creationists need to open their minds to science. I asked my southern baptist mother her opinion of this 35 years ago and she said simply that god's days must be longer than ours. Maybe this simple logic could help some creationists ease their way into accepting the real time wonder of it fucking all.

yellowporch

eyedclaar wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

I'm pretty sure you already know this, but just because someone believes in something with all their heart, that doesn't make it true. Every single one of us can "lay claim" to God. It amounts to jack and shit, but we can still do it.

Allow me to butcher a batman quote, if I may. I don't give a fuck what man-made religion you subscribe to, it's what you do that defines you. If you need to believe in a big white beard in the sky in order to do the right thing, then go for it. Still doesn't make it real.

I'm with you on this one.. I dont believe in god or any religion for that matter, it's YOUR life, no ones going to save you when the going gets tough, except for yourself.. the decisions one makes in life, shapes who they are and their life, i guess i just don't get the hype? i like to think I am in 100% control of what i do in my life, and i don't like making decisions based on an old book of stories.

makes much more sense to live in the present tense

tinkerbell

yellowporch wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

eyedclaar wrote:

I'm pretty sure you already know this, but just because someone believes in something with all their heart, that doesn't make it true. Every single one of us can "lay claim" to God. It amounts to jack and shit, but we can still do it.

Allow me to butcher a batman quote, if I may. I don't give a fuck what man-made religion you subscribe to, it's what you do that defines you. If you need to believe in a big white beard in the sky in order to do the right thing, then go for it. Still doesn't make it real.

I'm with you on this one.. I dont believe in god or any religion for that matter, it's YOUR life, no ones going to save you when the going gets tough, except for yourself.. the decisions one makes in life, shapes who they are and their life, i guess i just don't get the hype? i like to think I am in 100% control of what i do in my life, and i don't like making decisions based on an old book of stories.

makes much more sense to live in the present tense

I totally agree with you both! To believe blindly in something that can never be proven makes absolutely no sense to me. Once our brains mature, we can comprehend that Santa, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy aren't real, why is god any different (IMO). I know there will be some haters who will attack me for saying that!! Really I don't care what anyone chooses to believe its personal.