See here's what I do not understand.... The Dems have control of the Congress and can't pass things as they please, so how exactly are they transforming the nation? Last I checked both Dems and Reps are responsible for voting in most of the stuff you're complaining about. Also, did you just wake up politically - how come much of this "responsibility and accountability" has spurred out of the blue? Where has this been for the past few decades? Seems like it only veers its head out when a Democrat is in office... why is that?
I'll give you that ,but I believe Obama is an Overdrive and he is intentionally trying to bring this country down and transform it into something we are not.
I agree and the answer is not more Government Rule.....the answer is to hold everyone in the White House accountable for there actions
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
See here's what I do not understand.... The Dems have control of the Congress and can't pass things as they please, so how exactly are they transforming the nation? Last I checked both Dems and Reps are responsible for voting in most of the stuff you're complaining about. Also, did you just wake up politically - how come much of this "responsibility and accountability" has spurred out of the blue? Where has this been for the past few decades? Seems like it only veers its head out when a Democrat is in office... why is that?
I'll give you that ,but I believe Obama is an Overdrive and he is intentionally trying to bring this country down and transform it into something we are not.
I have to go to work now,but No I just didn't wake up politically,but all the examples that I have seen lately makes me think that the left the far left that is, wants to change this country into something else.
I don't discount racism in our nation, but I think Clinton was also criticized by the right and non-democrats for the same reasons... basically accountability and responsibility but only because a Dem was in office. This mantra seems to disappear when Reps are in office and ironically it's when we have some of our worst crimes committed.. you know like genocide, war, globalization and similar. But passing legislation which makes people pay taxes which will help things like healthcare coverage for uninsured or similar, this is treasonous. :roll:
no, people woke up when an african american won the election and is now running their precious country....gotta love that hatriotism..
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
I have to go to work now,but No I just didn't wake up politically,but all the examples that I have seen lately makes me think that the left the far left that is, wants to change this country into something else.
CONservative governMENt
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
See here's what I do not understand.... The Dems have control of the Congress and can't pass things as they please, so how exactly are they transforming the nation? Last I checked both Dems and Reps are responsible for voting in most of the stuff you're complaining about. Also, did you just wake up politically - how come much of this "responsibility and accountability" has spurred out of the blue? Where has this been for the past few decades? Seems like it only veers its head out when a Democrat is in office... why is that?
I'll give you that ,but I believe Obama is an Overdrive and he is intentionally trying to bring this country down and transform it into something we are not.
I agree and the answer is not more Government Rule.....the answer is to hold everyone in the White House accountable for there actions
no, people woke up when an african american won the election and is now running their precious country....gotta love that hatriotism..
:roll: :roll: :roll: For real ? That's really pathetic. It has nothing to do with skin color. See this is the kind of crap that the left spews. I guees the blacks at the tea parties hate black people too. :roll: grow up dude
See here's what I do not understand.... The Dems have control of the Congress and can't pass things as they please, so how exactly are they transforming the nation? Last I checked both Dems and Reps are responsible for voting in most of the stuff you're complaining about. Also, did you just wake up politically - how come much of this "responsibility and accountability" has spurred out of the blue? Where has this been for the past few decades? Seems like it only veers its head out when a Democrat is in office... why is that?
I'll give you that ,but I believe Obama is an Overdrive and he is intentionally trying to bring this country down and transform it into something we are not.
I agree and the answer is not more Government Rule.....the answer is to hold everyone in the White House accountable for there actions
no, people woke up when an african american won the election and is now running their precious country....gotta love that hatriotism..
spin spin spin....... nothing concret to say then just pull out the race card.....nothing new
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
hahaha ... far left!?? ... america has never even seen left let alone far left ... if you guys wanna see which countries are left - just look at the ones ranked highest in the UN human development index ...
I have to go to work now,but No I just didn't wake up politically,but all the examples that I have seen lately makes me think that the left the far left that is, wants to change this country into something else.
"How do you tell a communist? Well. its someone who reads Marx and Lenin. And how do you tell an anti-communist? It's someone who understands Marx and Lenin." Ronald Reagan
What do you call someone who neither reads nor understands Marx and Lenin?
spin spin spin....... nothing concret to say then just pull out the race card.....nothing new
are you going to answer the post from byrnzie or not? are you going to answer my questions about not knowing what you are angry about or not? or will you just sit back and throw terms around that you have no idea what they mean?
it is a FACT that hate groups in america have tripled since obama took office. and your teabag party used racial and homophobic slurs and spit on a black lawmaker. so please prove to me that race has nothing to do with it because all signs say that it does.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
The ironic thing is that the accusations Marx made against capitalism are not only still true today, we've just seen the effects of it not just once but several times - the industrial revolution (Marx's time), the aftermath of the robber baron era, the Republican Great Depression, the Savings and Loan crisis, and now the Second Republican Great Depression.
Just because communism isn't viable as a social, political and economic system in large scale (the kibbutz is a good example of how a variant of it works in a small system) it doesn't undermine the defects of capitalism that Marx pointed out - that it is inherently exploitative, for instance. Even Adam Smith, commonly thought of as the father of capitalism - supported Marx's idea of the "labor theory of value".
"It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
spin spin spin....... nothing concret to say then just pull out the race card.....nothing new
are you going to answer the post from byrnzie or not? are you going to answer my questions about not knowing what you are angry about or not? or will you just sit back and throw terms around that you have no idea what they mean?
it is a FACT that hate groups in america have tripled since obama took office. and your teabag party used racial and homophobic slurs and spit on a black lawmaker. so please prove to me that race has nothing to do with it because all signs say that it does.
Seriously, with all the real stuff to go on, throwing out the race card is stupid.
And if a few people screamed racist remarks, it does not mean that the whole movement is like that. Of course, the media is pretending that it does and driving this wedge. No better than what Fox News does, only difference is you condemn fox news and you follow the leader elsewhere.
All I can say is this, I hope Eddie and the boys write some lyrics to denounce this government takeover. Be fair Eddie and call out them for their wrongs as well. I know Eddie supported OB as did I ....but I hope he feels duped like so many others do.
I voted for OB because I was also disgusted with the Bush administration. However, as bad as they were, I cannot agree with our president and and cabinet thumbing their nose at the american people. Their behavior has been dispicable.
Funny, was listeing to Grievance this moring on the way to work. Always thought that was a great stab at Bush and his patriot act with big brother watching you....freedom's big plunge. Fact is, the Dems are no better....the IRS having the ability to go into my bank account....student loan takeover....amazing how many educated americans don't read between the lines. This is no better than the patirot act (which I despise by the way). Dems just put a better game face on under the guise of "for the american people" but it's hogwash, all the crave is power just like ALL politicians.
I like most centered americans (always been registered an Independent) agree that some reform has to be done to fix this broken system but to make it all about the insurance companies being so horrible is misguided. Yes, they suck to deal with but let's be realistic....they make 4-6% profits so they aren't making money hand over fist. So, they are so bad but its ok to be in bed with Unions, lawyers, and wall street. Let's face it, Geithner is an insider from Goldman Sachs and he let then off the hook. This whole thing is just ugly....outright bribes and most surely threats to other dems on the fence.....just make me sick to see this elitist behavoir.
Our country is at a crossroads and I am scared like so many others.
Firstly I think you strongly undervalue Marx if you think Pelosi is anywhere near as smart and theoretical as he was.
Secondly, I think people are insane if they believe these two people believe or attempt to bring about the same types of things in a serious regard.
You might be right about Her not being as theoretical as Marx but she doesn't need to be and Pelosi is no dumb ass. kooky yes,but I think she knows exactly what she is doing.
Then you better wake the hell up dude because it's already happening.
Look at all the things that are being Nationalized by the gov.
Banks
Car companies
Student Loans
Gov run Insurance
Just look at all the radicals and organizations that Obama surrounded himself with before he became president.
William Ayers,Marilyn Katz, Frank Marshall Davis, Alice Palmer, George Soros, Jim Johnson, Franklin Raines, Carl Davidson, Robert Blackwell, Tony Rezko, Dorothy Tillman, Robert Malley, Cornel West, Howard Dean, Donna Brazille, Nancy Pelosi, MoveOn.org, Center for American Progress, Open Society Institute, Arab American Action Network, The Democracy Alliance, The New Party, the Democratic Socialist Party, The Working Families Party, Socialist Scholars Conference, Campaign for America’s Future, The Progressive Caucus, Public Allies, ACORN, Citizens Services, Inc., Ken Rolling, The Woods Fund, The Chicago Annenberg Challenge, The Joyce Foundation, Gamaliel Foundation, Students For A Democratic Society, Saul Alinsky, Richard Andrew Cloward, Frances Fox Piven, Zbigniew Brzenzinski, Penny Pritzker, The Superior Bank, The Broadway Bank, Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam, Reverend Wright, Rather Pfleuger, Raila Odinga of Kenya, http://logisticsmonster.com/2008/10/19/ ... he-making/
good post friend...
They want to play word games here because that’s all they got......notice no one has said a word about all Obama’s buddies....they just keep following.......
Because making up terms like "Death Panels" and using that as an argument against Obama's bill isn't "word games"?
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
All I can say is this, I hope Eddie and the boys write some lyrics to denounce this government takeover. Be fair Eddie and call out them for their wrongs as well. I know Eddie supported OB as did I ....but I hope he feels duped like so many others do.
I voted for OB because I was also disgusted with the Bush administration. However, as bad as they were, I cannot agree with our president and and cabinet thumbing their nose at the american people. Their behavior has been dispicable.
Funny, was listeing to Grievance this moring on the way to work. Always thought that was a great stab at Bush and his patriot act with big brother watching you....freedom's big plunge. Fact is, the Dems are no better....the IRS having the ability to go into my bank account....student loan takeover....amazing how many educated americans don't read between the lines. This is no better than the patirot act (which I despise by the way). Dems just put a better game face on under the guise of "for the american people" but it's hogwash, all the crave is power just like ALL politicians.
I like most centered americans (always been registered an Independent) agree that some reform has to be done to fix this broken system but to make it all about the insurance companies being so horrible is misguided. Yes, they suck to deal with but let's be realistic....they make 4-6% profits so they aren't making money hand over fist. So, they are so bad but its ok to be in bed with Unions, lawyers, and wall street. Let's face it, Geithner is an insider from Goldman Sachs and he let then off the hook. This whole thing is just ugly....outright bribes and most surely threats to other dems on the fence.....just make me sick to see this elitist behavoir.
Our country is at a crossroads and I am scared like so many others.
Yeah - I'm not an American, I come from a country where people don't ideologically align themselves with a particular party and just vote along party lines like a lot of people I've met here simply do (which could also be because I moved to Louisiana, which isn't exactly a balanced state...). In NZ, for the most part, people vote for whichever candidate/platform they think will do the best job. It leads to much less b.s. from the politicians, because they can't get away with it - they don't have a base that will blindly vote for them because of the party they represent (note: I said MUCH LESS B.S., not NO B.S. - they are still politicians, after all).
Both the Dems and Reps are pretty flawed parties, and both of them have done things I've strongly objected to. At the end of the day, I can't fathom why anyone would blindly follow either side and just agree with anything their side's leader says.
And I listen for the voice inside my head... nothing. I'll do this one myself.
Then you better wake the hell up dude because it's already happening.
Look at all the things that are being Nationalized by the gov.
Banks
Car companies
Student Loans
Gov run Insurance
Really? How many banks are actually owned by the government?
Answer: None.
How many car companies are owned by the government?
Answer: None.
How many student loans are actually administered by the government?
Answer: None.
How many insurance policies are actually administered by the government?
None, unless you count those socialist Medicare, Medicaid, and Veterans Administration health programs.
Just look at all the radicals and organizations that Obama surrounded himself with before he became president.
William Ayers,Marilyn Katz, Frank Marshall Davis, Alice Palmer, George Soros, Jim Johnson, Franklin Raines, Carl Davidson, Robert Blackwell, Tony Rezko, Dorothy Tillman, Robert Malley, Cornel West, Howard Dean, Donna Brazille, Nancy Pelosi, MoveOn.org, Center for American Progress, Open Society Institute, Arab American Action Network, The Democracy Alliance, The New Party, the Democratic Socialist Party, The Working Families Party, Socialist Scholars Conference, Campaign for America’s Future, The Progressive Caucus, Public Allies, ACORN, Citizens Services, Inc., Ken Rolling, The Woods Fund, The Chicago Annenberg Challenge, The Joyce Foundation, Gamaliel Foundation, Students For A Democratic Society, Saul Alinsky, Richard Andrew Cloward, Frances Fox Piven, Zbigniew Brzenzinski, Penny Pritzker, The Superior Bank, The Broadway Bank, Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam, Reverend Wright, Rather Pfleuger, Raila Odinga of Kenya, http://logisticsmonster.com/2008/10/19/ ... he-making/
LOL, how many of them are actually socialists, let alone communists? Pelosi? Cornell West? George Soros, an avowed venture capitalist?
And how many of them have committed mass murder, genocide and massive embezzlement of public funds?
"It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
I'm wondering... How many of the Tea partiers that have called the democrats Marxists have actually read any Marx? I feel no matter what your political slant, if you call someone something, you should PROBABLY understand it.
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I'm wondering... How many of the Tea partiers that have called the democrats Marxists have actually read any Marx? I feel no matter what your political slant, if you call someone something, you should PROBABLY understand it.
i would be willing to guess that very few have. based on how they throw around some of these terms and lack a basic understanding of the basic workings of all of these different types of governments. my guess is they watch too much fox "news" to have time to read anything...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I'm wondering... How many of the Tea partiers that have called the democrats Marxists have actually read any Marx? I feel no matter what your political slant, if you call someone something, you should PROBABLY understand it.
i would be willing to guess that very few have. based on how they throw around some of these terms and lack a basic understanding of the basic workings of all of these different types of governments. my guess is they watch too much fox "news" to have time to read anything...
None of them have, because anyone who's actually read Marx, and is familiar with the core principles of socialism and communism will know for a fact that nobody in this government - with the lone exception of Bernie Sanders (who's an actual socialist) - is REALLY a socialist, let alone communist. It's much easier to fear-bait and use scare tactics than to use logic and reason.
Makes me yearn for FDR's reassuring words in the middle of our darkest hours - "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself".
"It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
I know that probalby 100% of you weren't around in the mid-1960s.. but, I was. Granted, I was in the 4th or 5th grade then, but I remember something that reminds me of today.
I remember that whole Civil Rights thing on the evening news my Dad would watch and going to school to have the older kids telling me that, 'Now, the niggers will be allowed in our school'... which was scary for a 4th grader who watched the Watts riots on the T.V.
And this wasn't the South... this was Echo Park, just outside of downtown Los Angeles. And the older kids weren't racists... they were echoing the sentiments of their parents. The elementary school I was in was sort of mixed... whites and Mexican... a couple of Asians... no blacks. The kids telling us these horror stories of blacks coming to live in our neighborhoods, go to our schools, take over our city, take over our country weren't always just the white kids.
Now, if you are thinking of making the case that the Civil Rights Movement and the current Heath Care Reform bill are not related... I agree... they are not. I am only focusing on the fear and the gloom and doom aspect of that I hear today and what i heard back then.
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How does this relate?
Well, I hear all of this gloom and doom of this being the End of America and all... i'll bet that there was a lot of this type of fear going on in 1965. But, guess what... all these years later... America is still here. I guess I'm saying to just try to show a little faith in the greatness of our country... instead of writing us off as a loss.
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Hail, Hail!!!
None of them have, because anyone who's actually read Marx, and is familiar with the core principles of socialism and communism will know for a fact that nobody in this government - with the lone exception of Bernie Sanders (who's an actual socialist) - is REALLY a socialist, let alone communist. It's much easier to fear-bait and use scare tactics than to use logic and reason.
Makes me yearn for FDR's reassuring words in the middle of our darkest hours - "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself".
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Don't leave out Fascism. Remember, Obama is a Communist, a socialist AND a Fascist.
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And i forget who the moronic numbnut out here was that said, **paraphrase** 'We don't want any '-isms' here (America)'.
Which I'm assuming also included Heroism, Patriotism and Capitalism.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I like most centered americans (always been registered an Independent) agree that some reform has to be done to fix this broken system but to make it all about the insurance companies being so horrible is misguided. Yes, they suck to deal with but let's be realistic....they make 4-6% profits so they aren't making money hand over fist.
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Don't leave out Fascism. Remember, Obama is a Communist, a socialist AND a Fascist.
Well of course, not to mention he's an Islamist, Terrorist, Extremist, Marxist, Leninist, Stalinist, Anarchist....
And i forget who the moronic numbnut out here was that said, **paraphrase** 'We don't want any '-isms' here (America)'.
Which I'm assuming also included Heroism, Patriotism and Capitalism.
Yeah, sad that the blind sloganeering by the extreme right wing has caused other people to be turned off to the political process as a whole.
"It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
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Just look at all the radicals and organizations that Obama surrounded himself with before he became president.
William Ayers,Marilyn Katz, Frank Marshall Davis, Alice Palmer, George Soros, Jim Johnson, Franklin Raines, Carl Davidson, Robert Blackwell, Tony Rezko, Dorothy Tillman, Robert Malley, Cornel West, Howard Dean, Donna Brazille, Nancy Pelosi, MoveOn.org, Center for American Progress, Open Society Institute, Arab American Action Network, The Democracy Alliance, The New Party, the Democratic Socialist Party, The Working Families Party, Socialist Scholars Conference, Campaign for America’s Future, The Progressive Caucus, Public Allies, ACORN, Citizens Services, Inc., Ken Rolling, The Woods Fund, The Chicago Annenberg Challenge, The Joyce Foundation, Gamaliel Foundation, Students For A Democratic Society, Saul Alinsky, Richard Andrew Cloward, Frances Fox Piven, Zbigniew Brzenzinski, Penny Pritzker, The Superior Bank, The Broadway Bank, Louis Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam, Reverend Wright, Rather Pfleuger, Raila Odinga of Kenya, http://logisticsmonster.com/2008/10/19/ ... he-making/
Read Michelle Malkin's "Culture of Corruption: Obama and His Team of Tax Cheats, Crooks, and Cronies". Much of that is widely discussed. Same old same old.
I like most centered americans (always been registered an Independent) agree that some reform has to be done to fix this broken system but to make it all about the insurance companies being so horrible is misguided. Yes, they suck to deal with but let's be realistic....they make 4-6% profits so they aren't making money hand over fist.
Basically, it all comes down to accounting practices. Just like Enron.
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From that article: "As a percentage of total assets of $48,403.2 million deployed by the company (measured at the reported book value on the firm’s balance sheet), WellPoint’s profits in 2008 amounted to 5.14 percent in 2008 and 6.42 percent in 2007. "
What is 5.14 of $48,403.2 million?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Read Michelle Malkin's "Culture of Corruption: Obama and His Team of Tax Cheats, Crooks, and Cronies". Much of that is widely discussed. Same old same old.
Are you freaking kidding me? Michelle Malkin? That despicable, racist, xenophobic harpy who stalked a 12 year old boy, posted phone numbers of students online, and threatened the life of a journalist?
Yeah, she's a credible source.
"It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
How does this relate?
Well, I hear all of this gloom and doom of this being the End of America and all... i'll bet that there was a lot of this type of fear going on in 1965. But, guess what... all these years later... America is still here. I guess I'm saying to just try to show a little faith in the greatness of our country... instead of writing us off as a loss.
My mother had a black roommate when she was in nursing school in '64. She told me some stories. And I think your comparison is spot on.
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I don't discount racism in our nation, but I think Clinton was also criticized by the right and non-democrats for the same reasons... basically accountability and responsibility but only because a Dem was in office. This mantra seems to disappear when Reps are in office and ironically it's when we have some of our worst crimes committed.. you know like genocide, war, globalization and similar. But passing legislation which makes people pay taxes which will help things like healthcare coverage for uninsured or similar, this is treasonous. :roll:
great post. not surprised it has been ignored though. no one wants to have a go at replying?
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Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
:roll: :roll: :roll: For real ? That's really pathetic. It has nothing to do with skin color. See this is the kind of crap that the left spews. I guees the blacks at the tea parties hate black people too. :roll: grow up dude
Hail, Hail!!!
define "something else" please...
he he he...
nicely done...
it is a FACT that hate groups in america have tripled since obama took office. and your teabag party used racial and homophobic slurs and spit on a black lawmaker. so please prove to me that race has nothing to do with it because all signs say that it does.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
The ironic thing is that the accusations Marx made against capitalism are not only still true today, we've just seen the effects of it not just once but several times - the industrial revolution (Marx's time), the aftermath of the robber baron era, the Republican Great Depression, the Savings and Loan crisis, and now the Second Republican Great Depression.
Just because communism isn't viable as a social, political and economic system in large scale (the kibbutz is a good example of how a variant of it works in a small system) it doesn't undermine the defects of capitalism that Marx pointed out - that it is inherently exploitative, for instance. Even Adam Smith, commonly thought of as the father of capitalism - supported Marx's idea of the "labor theory of value".
Seriously, with all the real stuff to go on, throwing out the race card is stupid.
And if a few people screamed racist remarks, it does not mean that the whole movement is like that. Of course, the media is pretending that it does and driving this wedge. No better than what Fox News does, only difference is you condemn fox news and you follow the leader elsewhere.
I voted for OB because I was also disgusted with the Bush administration. However, as bad as they were, I cannot agree with our president and and cabinet thumbing their nose at the american people. Their behavior has been dispicable.
Funny, was listeing to Grievance this moring on the way to work. Always thought that was a great stab at Bush and his patriot act with big brother watching you....freedom's big plunge. Fact is, the Dems are no better....the IRS having the ability to go into my bank account....student loan takeover....amazing how many educated americans don't read between the lines. This is no better than the patirot act (which I despise by the way). Dems just put a better game face on under the guise of "for the american people" but it's hogwash, all the crave is power just like ALL politicians.
I like most centered americans (always been registered an Independent) agree that some reform has to be done to fix this broken system but to make it all about the insurance companies being so horrible is misguided. Yes, they suck to deal with but let's be realistic....they make 4-6% profits so they aren't making money hand over fist. So, they are so bad but its ok to be in bed with Unions, lawyers, and wall street. Let's face it, Geithner is an insider from Goldman Sachs and he let then off the hook. This whole thing is just ugly....outright bribes and most surely threats to other dems on the fence.....just make me sick to see this elitist behavoir.
Our country is at a crossroads and I am scared like so many others.
Because making up terms like "Death Panels" and using that as an argument against Obama's bill isn't "word games"?
Yeah - I'm not an American, I come from a country where people don't ideologically align themselves with a particular party and just vote along party lines like a lot of people I've met here simply do (which could also be because I moved to Louisiana, which isn't exactly a balanced state...). In NZ, for the most part, people vote for whichever candidate/platform they think will do the best job. It leads to much less b.s. from the politicians, because they can't get away with it - they don't have a base that will blindly vote for them because of the party they represent (note: I said MUCH LESS B.S., not NO B.S. - they are still politicians, after all).
Both the Dems and Reps are pretty flawed parties, and both of them have done things I've strongly objected to. At the end of the day, I can't fathom why anyone would blindly follow either side and just agree with anything their side's leader says.
Really? How many banks are actually owned by the government?
Answer: None.
How many car companies are owned by the government?
Answer: None.
How many student loans are actually administered by the government?
Answer: None.
How many insurance policies are actually administered by the government?
None, unless you count those socialist Medicare, Medicaid, and Veterans Administration health programs.
LOL, how many of them are actually socialists, let alone communists? Pelosi? Cornell West? George Soros, an avowed venture capitalist?
And how many of them have committed mass murder, genocide and massive embezzlement of public funds?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Makes me yearn for FDR's reassuring words in the middle of our darkest hours - "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself".
I remember that whole Civil Rights thing on the evening news my Dad would watch and going to school to have the older kids telling me that, 'Now, the niggers will be allowed in our school'... which was scary for a 4th grader who watched the Watts riots on the T.V.
And this wasn't the South... this was Echo Park, just outside of downtown Los Angeles. And the older kids weren't racists... they were echoing the sentiments of their parents. The elementary school I was in was sort of mixed... whites and Mexican... a couple of Asians... no blacks. The kids telling us these horror stories of blacks coming to live in our neighborhoods, go to our schools, take over our city, take over our country weren't always just the white kids.
Now, if you are thinking of making the case that the Civil Rights Movement and the current Heath Care Reform bill are not related... I agree... they are not. I am only focusing on the fear and the gloom and doom aspect of that I hear today and what i heard back then.
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How does this relate?
Well, I hear all of this gloom and doom of this being the End of America and all... i'll bet that there was a lot of this type of fear going on in 1965. But, guess what... all these years later... America is still here. I guess I'm saying to just try to show a little faith in the greatness of our country... instead of writing us off as a loss.
Hail, Hail!!!
Don't leave out Fascism. Remember, Obama is a Communist, a socialist AND a Fascist.
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And i forget who the moronic numbnut out here was that said, **paraphrase** 'We don't want any '-isms' here (America)'.
Which I'm assuming also included Heroism, Patriotism and Capitalism.
Hail, Hail!!!
An interesting read on actual profit margins for health insurance:
http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/ ... -a-primer/
Basically, it all comes down to accounting practices. Just like Enron.
Wash me in the blood of Rock & Roll
Well of course, not to mention he's an Islamist, Terrorist, Extremist, Marxist, Leninist, Stalinist, Anarchist....
Yeah, sad that the blind sloganeering by the extreme right wing has caused other people to be turned off to the political process as a whole.
Read Michelle Malkin's "Culture of Corruption: Obama and His Team of Tax Cheats, Crooks, and Cronies". Much of that is widely discussed. Same old same old.
From that article: "As a percentage of total assets of $48,403.2 million deployed by the company (measured at the reported book value on the firm’s balance sheet), WellPoint’s profits in 2008 amounted to 5.14 percent in 2008 and 6.42 percent in 2007. "
What is 5.14 of $48,403.2 million?
Hail, Hail!!!
Are you freaking kidding me? Michelle Malkin? That despicable, racist, xenophobic harpy who stalked a 12 year old boy, posted phone numbers of students online, and threatened the life of a journalist?
Yeah, she's a credible source.
My mother had a black roommate when she was in nursing school in '64. She told me some stories. And I think your comparison is spot on.
Wash me in the blood of Rock & Roll
great post. not surprised it has been ignored though. no one wants to have a go at replying?