What's so great about 9/11/98?
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So I am downloading those two Garden shows in anticipation of my own two Garden shows. Everyone raves about it and I would love to know why before I listen to it. Is video necessary to get the whole effect or does audio do the trick?
Thanks!!
Thanks!!
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“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.
“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.
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If you have to ask you have not been a fan that long, I was at 9/10/98 the "Ken Star" show. The "Breath" campaign was in full affect, and Ed referenced it but said he took viagra and was busy having sex with his wife "Beth" and didn't learn the song. It was also the famous for Stone forgetting the solo during "All those yesterdays".
09/10/98 - Madison Square Garden: New York, NY [114m]
support act: Ben Harper
set: Long Road, Corduroy, Brain of J, Last Exit, Given to Fly, Animal, Dissident, Jeremy, Daughter/(Mother), Even Flow, In Hiding, I Got Shit, Better Man, Do the Evolution, All Those Yesterdays, Alive
enc 1: Wishlist, RVM, Hail Hail, Black, Elderly Woman, Fuckin' Up
enc 2: Soldier of Love
notes: Many, many equipment problems tonight. Mike has to change guitars THREE times during 'Given to Fly' ... but his solos are just outstanding. Stone screws up the solo in 'All Those Yesterdays,' leading to Ed's comment: "Come to Madison Square Garden; fuck the song up ... John Lennon would be proud." When PJ returns for the encore, fake security guards come out with tons of archive boxes and Ed jokes about Ken Starr wanting show passes and that they traded passes for the records ... a very, very long speech about how we have no business knowing, etc. Ed introduces the second encore as a "song about how we feel" and Mike plays the very start of 'Yellow Ledbetter' and stops with Ed saying "I'm sorry, I fucked up," and they play 'Soldier of Love' instead. [Breath sign campaign update: the signs were noticed as they extended through all levels of MSG. Ed said something along the lines of it being the best organization he'd seen outside of New Jersey; and that while they'd had a day off yesterday, someone had slipped him some Viagra and he was busy doing "something else six times."]
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Caryn's review
09/11/98 - Madison Square Garden: New York, NY [130m]
support act: Ben Harper
set: Release, Hail Hail, Animal, Even Flow, Given to Fly, Corduroy, MFC, Habit, Faithfull, Daughter/(Beginning to See the Light)/(WMA), Wishlist, Nothingman, Immortality, RVM, Brain of J, Black, Do the Evolution
enc 1: Breath, State of Love and Trust, Off He Goes, Leatherman, Better Man/(Save it for Later), Mankind, Baba O'Riley
enc 2: Indifference (with Ben Harper), Alive
notes: Returning for the encore and yet another sea of "Breath" signs on ever single level of the Garden, Ed tells the crowd they are never satisfied:
"You fucking cocksuckers. [shakes head] You fucking bitch! You know, we come up here as a collective band and we give and we give and you just fucking want more ... and you know what? You deserve it. This is like some kind of organized religion here; I've never seen anything like it. Do you see what's happening? ... the third night in a row, right? [applause] Well, fuck you. We're gonna play it!" (992K)
leading to the first playing of 'Breath' since 1994!!! woo hoo!!! With a brief announcement ("same record, different track"), they follow with 'SoL&T.' 'Mankind' is introduced by Stone saying, "Well, since we're playing every song in the catalog..." 'Baba' is intro'd as being a response to "corporate rock bands who make the mistake of trying to cover a real rock song." 'Indifference' is played with an ecstatic Ben Harper (who has been including 'Indifference' at some of his shows). During 'Alive,' Ed makes four attempts to toss his microphone over the vocal monitor rig above his head, and finally gets it over, but instead of just standing there, he proceeds to CLIMB UP THE MIC CORD and hang there for the rest of the song. Possibly the best show the band has ever played in their life. Period. (And they knew it, too.)
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WHO STARTED IT
how did the word get spread around
AND WHO HANDED OUT ALL THE EFFIN FLYERS
Just became a fan in 2008, so I am really looking forward to hearing the 98 MSG show.
“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.
what site did you get them from....i got a few different ones but im looking fro something better
“If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world.
thought so :( :( :( ........ DOES ANYONE HAVE A SOUNDBOARD???
I have a dvd copy, i was hoping that i was gonna be able to see all the signs better, but you can only see a little. obviously the cord climb is awesome, Ben harper coming out in plaid and all stars and a HUGE fro is funny....the breath campaign is cool....
gotta love these lines:
"You fucking cocksuckers. [shakes head] You fucking bitch! You know, we come up here as a collective band and we give and we give and you just fucking want more ... and you know what? You deserve it. This is like some kind of organized religion here; I've never seen anything like it. Do you see what's happening? ... the third night in a row, right? [applause] Well, fuck you. We're gonna play it!"
its just a magical show, watch the dvd.
Well, so far we've heard everything from that this was the mastermind of some guy who works at Sony, to that this was one fan's work, to that this is Five Horizons' way of getting the band's attention. As one member of the "Breath" team, here's the real story:
Months ago, people started talking about signs. There was a lot of chat about signs on the old MFC, and many people mentioned that they were going to take signs requesting "Breath". Then there was the dream setlists on 5h, and the song requests page on Synergy, and damn if "Breath" didn't come out at the top of the list on Synergy, and was extremely popular in the dream setlists as well.
The more people talked about it, the more that we found that this wasn't just our own personal thing, that many, many fans held "Breath" in a very special place in their hearts. And unlike some other songs people whine that the band doesn't play, it wasn't for the fact that it was 'rare', it was for the fact that it was incredibly meaningful on an emotional level.
So on the west leg, everyone went out there with their little signs, and got smiles and grimaces and nods from the band, but no song. *sigh* We had more or less given up, but we had a really great and rare version of "Breath" that we had been wanting to feature as Song X. This time, however, we asked fans to explain to us why this song was so meaningful to them to use in the feature. The amazing thing was, we got tons of responses, and almost all of them said the same thing in different ways. It was a great experience, but that was the end of our gestures in this direction.
However, all of this served to inspire other fans, and when Caryn met the "Tickle My Nausea" crew at the Meadowlands and they mentioned they had some signs, she laughed and said, well, good luck. They said, well, we have a thousand, and Caryn said - damn. I'm down front, give me a handful. Handing out those signs was a wonderful experience - people were running down to get them as soon as they saw what they said, and NOT because of Five Horizons or because of Tickle My Nausea or because of Synergy, but because people fucking love this song and they understood what we were trying to do and that there was strength in numbers. When the band walked out for the first encore there were signs EVERYWHERE on the floor, and the look on their faces was just priceless. They couldn't believe it! This was OBVIOUSLY not one or two fans wanting to hear a song, this was a movement. A small one, but an organized movement nonetheless.
The New York Post picked up on it (although they didn't even know there was a fucking song called "Breath"), and the next day at Madison Square Garden, when there were twice as many signs as there were the night before, people once again were so excited and happy to take a sign. They didn't know who anyone was, they didn't care, this wasn't a partisan effort, this was just, let's organize ourselves as fans and those who care can participate, those who don't care to participate, that's fine too. It was pretty impressive, but things were a little distracting because of the little Kenneth Starr monologue.
Third night, we were about ready to give up. There was lots of discussion about, do we do this again, do we want to do this again. And the consensus was, let's try it one more time, and if we don't get it, well, we tried our best, and there must be some really compelling reason and we'll just leave it alone. Once again, people were so happy to get a sign - they'd read about it online or in the newspaper, heard about it from their friends or on the radio, and they weren't looking to align themselves with ANYTHING except Pearl Jam and hearing the song. Sure, there were the assholes who would look down their noses at us and say, "they're not gonna play it," and we'd smile and say thank you, but we'd like to try one more time.
The roar of the crowd when Eddie said "Fuck you, we're gonna play it" and when those first chords blasted off the stage almost took the fucking roof off of MSG. Not just because we asked for something and the band decided to give it to us, but because this fucking song means something to so many, many people. It was about the SONG, it wasn't about (again), this web site or ampj or the aol folder or any kind of partisanship, it was about the communal audience/fan experience, it was about love for a song that to many people is incredibly special. It was the closest thing to a true fan community that we have ever had, and it's how it should be: EVERYONE working together for a common goal because we all love the same thing.
So, Sunday rolled around, and the instigators of the whole thing talked a lot about what we wanted to do. There was a consensus that a "thank you" sign was definitely called for, so Caryn made one quickly and put it up on 5h. There seemed to be some file compatibility problems, and some nasty mail, so she took it down. Others in the team made a few large banners saying "MSG: THANK U" and we looked for people to hold them up. Imagine our surprise when we saw some people very carefully handing out the thank you signs! Someone had downloaded the file and made a few hundred and gotten them in (someone else did and he got them confiscated at the gate =(). The original instigators were beside themselves that people were now taking what they'd started and moved it to the next level.
This explanation appears on 5h because Caryn was a member of the "breath" team, and because we happen to have this forum available to us, and because there are too many misconceptions about what this was all about floating around. It's unfair to everyone who took part in this. The celebratory splash page that was up on 5h this weekend - the "we" in "WE DID IT!" was all of us. Every single last one of us who xeroxed or carried or handed out or held up a sign. Every one. If one of those groups of people had been missing, this could not have happened.
And one other thing: after the shows, there was not ONE sign left lying on the floor. Everyone seemed to have taken them home with them as a memory of one incredible moment when we spoke to the band and the band absolutely, truly listened.
such good info when there wasnt much out there.
as far as 9/11/98, i think I might just pull out my VHS copy and get back to the topic in a few hours. but from what i remember, a big part of it was Breath.
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Where did you get the DVD?
Sounds like an awesome thing to see!
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I just got it off gremmie.net. Pretty darn nice recording.
It's the best because it was my first!!!
i remember snail mailing in my order form for tickets and getting the mail daily for the next few months waiting to see a ticketmaster or Vitalogy Health Club envelope. so the tickets finally arrive and not knowing anything about MSG, i looked up a seating chart and was shaking with excitement as i realize that the 10 club hooked me up with 8th row seats to my absolute favorite band! Also, this tour was for YIELD which quickly became my second favorite album they had at the time behind Vs.
the whole day pre-show was a waste cause i was so freaking psyched i couldn't think of anything else. they could have played the worst songs in the PJ catalog, but the energy they had that night, would have made anything sound amazing
great memory! i think i still have my BREATH flier and i still have my poster~
the recording quality isn't that bad, but what's funny is that you could definitely tell this was the first time they've played Breath in a while=p
I was quoting that last line from the Concert Chronology on 5H ["Possibly the best show the band has ever played in their life. Period. (And they knew it, too.)"] for years when I was describing the greatest concert I had ever been to.
Not simply a great show - it was epic.
Is Caryn Rose still into Pearl Jam... haven't heard anything about her since 5H shut down.
I remember having some pretty spirited debates with her way back on alt.music.pearl-jam.
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