45% of doctors would consider leaving their practice if....

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prfctlefts wrote:

If this bill does pass and it looks like it will,It will be intresting to see what the people think that support this bill
10 years from now.

You'll be the first one called 10 years from now cause I hope it won't be the end of the world by then.

Peace

WaveCameCrashin

g under p wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

If this bill does pass and it looks like it will,It will be intresting to see what the people think that support this bill
10 years from now.

You'll be the first one called 10 years from now cause I hope it won't be the end of the world by then.

Peace

Well either do I But if you think this bill is going to make things better your in complete denial with all due respect.

lukin2006

I'm a Canadian here, how is this bill going to effect doctors? I thought it was just going to make sure everyone has affordable healthcare. Are the Docs going to limited to how much they make.?

Why didn't the president and congress and all the states along with medical community work together on health care package, even if it takes a couple of years, and then bring it forward to the people. It seems this has really divided your country like no other issue?

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prfctlefts wrote:

g under p wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

If this bill does pass and it looks like it will,It will be intresting to see what the people think that support this bill
10 years from now.

You'll be the first one called 10 years from now cause I hope it won't be the end of the world by then.

Peace

Well either do I But if you think this bill is going to make things better your in complete denial with all due respect.

Well after what I've experienced with these REASONABLE profiting health insurance companies where they have denied me coverage at anytime for any reason in the past. This after I'm paying them out of pocket $300-$600 a month which makes it nerve racking just to go to the doctors office. I'll take this health care reform in a heartbeat with out a ounce of denial thank you very much.

Peace

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prfctlefts wrote:

If this bill does pass and it looks like it will,It will be intresting to see what the people think that support this bill
10 years from now.

I suspect we'll think it didn't go far enough and we'll still be hurting for universal healthcare.

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lukin2006 wrote:

Why didn't the president and congress and all the states along with medical community work together on health care package, even if it takes a couple of years, and then bring it forward to the people. It seems this has really divided your country like no other issue?

Everyone HAS been working on healthcare reform for years.

Don't worry too much about healthcare reform dividing our country; our country was already divided. I would actually say it's the division of our country that's creating the problems with healthcare reform more so than healthcare reform creating divisions in our country. People don't really understand or think critically about the issue; they just fight fiercely for their side to win. If we weren't such a politically dichotomous nation we might be better able to see past our "side" and address the issue more reasonably.

thefin190

I know my boss said he chose not to go to medical school because he didn't like what he saw, with regards to doctors being motivated to give too many tests and etc. A doctor is not going to give up their trade and do something else that will most likely pay less because more people are now covered. That is just a ridiculous statement.

KDH12

adspj wrote:

oh silly Repubs. I consider quitting every day at work, but I dont. If you expect me to feel bad for doctors, I certainly wont. Regardless of what happens, they make a very successful living.

+1

Doctors who retire early becuase of this bill will probably retire early regardless of this bill

on top of that no doctors are going to close doors cause of this bill

although a career at Homedepot is tempting I think they will pick medicine

Aaron 23

JR24868 wrote:

I am a nurse at a major Baltimore hospital, and doctors considering retiring early is a very big deal. There are only two ways to add more people to the healthcare system without increasing costs. Those two ways are to ration care or to pay those giving the care less. The governmet will choose to cut costs by paying less by setting reimbusement rates lower, not by witholding care. Nurses and doctors will recieve less pay and will pour out of the system. It's not an easy job, healthcare is highly skilled, very stressful, and very demanding. Similarly, my friend is a pharmacist and he says the pharmacy barely makes a profit filling Medicare scripts. They rely on private insurance payments to make money to be able to pay the pharmacists. Currently, Medicare refuses payments to hospitals much more often than private insurance and it compensates at a much lower rate than private insurance. So low in fact that doctors sometimes break even treating Medicare pts. We don't here about Medicare refusal of payment because the hospital is stuck with the bill and not the individual. It is not newsworthy and puts no single person in debt. It just forces the hospital to make it up elsewhere, that elsewhere is on private insurance payments and out of pocket patients. If the government controlled the entire system and its payment practices and rates were equal to Medicare, hospitals would go out of business and be in the red just like the government. If the extreme left had its way and reached the ultimate goal of single payer, physician pay and nurse pay would be reduce by at least a third due to the low reimbursement rates, if not by half. If you don't believe that look at pay rates in Canada. If nurses here made what they do in Canada, I would not be one, and many doctors will also change professions and use their intelligence where their work provides higher returns for their time invested. This bill is just a first step down that road and the physicians know it.

My father is a pediatric anesthesiologist...he worked very hard to get where he is (graduated medical school at 32 and served twice in the military to help with the costs). He is not your typical weekend golfing and never had a real job outside of the medical industry doctor...he spends most of his time outside of work maintaining his small farm and doing volunteer work for those that need help in their community. He feels that there needs to be change with the system, but he agrees 100% that what they are trying to pass is NOT going to make things better and has mentioned much of what was said above as what he fears will happen if this passes. My brother is in his third year of medical school, and he has stated many times that he would prefer a job as an MD where he isn't paid top dollar if it means he can practice what he loves while having more time to spend with family...he is also fearful of the above.

thefin190 wrote:

I know my boss said he chose not to go to medical school because he didn't like what he saw, with regards to doctors being motivated to give too many tests and etc. A doctor is not going to give up their trade and do something else that will most likely pay less because more people are now covered. That is just a ridiculous statement.

Doctors give "too many tests" to cover themselves thoroughly so they have sufficient documentation to protect themselves from malpractice litigation. My father has had to appear in court on a few occasions to things that have happened that are no fault of his own or anyone else's where the patient was simply trying to make a quick buck.

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Aaron 23 wrote:

thefin190 wrote:

I know my boss said he chose not to go to medical school because he didn't like what he saw, with regards to doctors being motivated to give too many tests and etc. A doctor is not going to give up their trade and do something else that will most likely pay less because more people are now covered. That is just a ridiculous statement.

Doctors give "too many tests" to cover themselves thoroughly so they have sufficient documentation to protect themselves from malpractice litigation. My father has had to appear in court on a few occasions to things that have happened that are no fault of his own or anyone else's where the patient was simply trying to make a quick buck.

Exactly. And you know what would drastically decrease malpractice issues? Universal healthcare.

haffajappa

I laugh everytime someone brings up the negativity of healthcare in Canada..

i don't see any starving doctors where I live... which is Vancouver, by the way.. one of the highest (if not the highest) housing/living costs in all of Canada.

Cosmo

Doctors leaving their practices to do what... hang drywall?

FiveB247x

To answer more surveys obviously...

Cosmo wrote:

Doctors leaving their practices to do what... hang drywall?

shadowcast

This is a Right Wing FEAR tatic.The doctors are still gonna get paid. Grant it some doctors are in for the money but the majority of them really give shit and enjoy helping people.

cincybearcat

scb wrote:

Exactly. And you know what would drastically decrease malpractice issues? Universal healthcare.

I've been thinking bout this post, help me out here, how exactly would this drastically reduce malpractice lawsuits?

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cincybearcat wrote:

scb wrote:

Exactly. And you know what would drastically decrease malpractice issues? Universal healthcare.

I've been thinking bout this post, help me out here, how exactly would this drastically reduce malpractice lawsuits?

The majority of the money paid out in malpractice lawsuits is to cover a lifetime of future medical care for the victim. If healthcare were already covered, this portion of the payout would go away. If payouts weren't so big, malpractice insurance need not be as outrageous as it is today.

KDH12

Cosmo wrote:

Doctors leaving their practices to do what... hang drywall?

no cause no one is building houses anymore

they will work at Starbucks for the good health plan

Austicman

shadowcast wrote:

This is a Right Wing FEAR tatic.The doctors are still gonna get paid. Grant it some doctors are in for the money but the majority of them really give shit and enjoy helping people.

The ones in it for the money are putting in fake tits and doing nosejobs. I doubt the the size of there pay packets will change at all. The rest of them will out there trying to save lives tomorrow and the next day. The single biggest load of bullshit I've heard when it comes to America's health care debate. :roll:

cincybearcat

scb wrote:

cincybearcat wrote:

scb wrote:

Exactly. And you know what would drastically decrease malpractice issues? Universal healthcare.

I've been thinking bout this post, help me out here, how exactly would this drastically reduce malpractice lawsuits?

The majority of the money paid out in malpractice lawsuits is to cover a lifetime of future medical care for the victim. If healthcare were already covered, this portion of the payout would go away. If payouts weren't so big, malpractice insurance need not be as outrageous as it is today.

I see where you are coming from. However, it has been my experience in lawsuits (not malpractice, but involving needing medical care) that the biggest $ comes from not the medical care but the compensation for ...how to say it...a reduction in the quality of life...restrictions on what people can do going forward no matter what medical care the can receive. Permanent restrictions. I could be wrong.

decides2dream

Cosmo wrote:

Doctors leaving their practices to do what... hang drywall?

that made me laugh.


and yea, seriously...i don't buy it. being a doctor will still be a VERY well paying profession. VERY. well. paying.
besides, i would kinda like to think that many became doctors b/c well....they also want to help people. naive thought, i know....but i do like to believe it. honestly, what is the 'incentive' for ALL the doctors around the globe who practice medicine? errr, think it's rather the same. sure, doctors here probably make more $$$, no doubt, but i don't think doctors elsewhere are actually receiving foodstamps either.