Pearl Jam Fan Created Blu Ray - Lets do it!

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Personally, I think this idea is exciting. I hope someday the band does come around the idea to truely being open with their fans. Trent has done some wicked cool stuff and its really paid off for him. I for one didn't understand why it was like that for the Ed shows. It seemed almost over the top - rumors of cameras and sd cards confiscated by security...*I mean you're a public figure dude, people are going to take pictures*

Anyway, I'd be curious what kind of small camera or phone you're using to get this HD footage. from what I've seen when burnt to blu ray it doesn't look as good as a conventially produced one, but I'm not tech expert. What do you use?

Great thread. Exciting idea. Keep it going, build some mementum. Sign me up.

OGT92

Wow! Not a big fan of NIN, but if it could be done with PJ, I'd be all for it. I'm not good with things like that, but I'd contribute money to that PJ project.

smanchac

Yea
Smaller cameras dont always produce the same results as professionl cameras.

But, if filmed in 1080p, the process can be done where its cleaned up, color corrected, edited togother and so on.

Im not 100% sure what cameras to use. But if you watch the link for the nin footage, you will see it looks great, the quality is great, and you constantly see peple holding up the camera on the nin footage.

They have flip cameras that work well too. It doesnt have to be 100% flawless, but what came out from the nin team impressed and suprised everyone.

Again, it doesnt have to be perfect, but, with multiple sources you can pick and choose. And with a offical bootleg to go along with it, you have your sound too.

Here is there official release about it.

THE AIM

On 5th May, 2008, Nine Inch Nails released their latest album, The Slip, free, online, as a gift to their fans. Or as Trent put it: “This one’s on me”.
On December 13th, 2008, dozens of Nine Inch Nails fans recorded the last show in the Lights In The Sky tour at Planet Hollywood, Las Vegas.
On January 7th, 2009, over 400Gb of video from the Victoria, Portland and Sacramento shows was unofficially released by the band.
By working together, the Nine Inch Nails fan community created a two DVD set to document these shows that will be released free online (along with a bonus DVD with tour related rarities), followed by a physical release, again created by fans for fans.
This one is on us. Our time. Our effort. Our Gift to all NIN fans.

THE MISSION
In February 2009, Trent Reznor announced that his upcoming world tour would be his last, before making Nine Inch Nails
“disappear for a while”, stating:
“ Last year’s “Lights in the Sky” tour was something I’m quite proud of and seems like the culmination of what I could pull off in terms of an elaborate production.”
Near the end of the 2008 Lights in the Sky tour, hailed by critics for its unmatched visual splendour, Trent Reznor had some disappointing news: An official 3-D DVD project, to be shot with director James Cameron, had fallen through due to complications with his old recording label (they dragged their feet until it was too late).
The Nine Inch Nails message boards lit up. How, the fans asked, could a tour as ground breaking and stunning as this possibly not be recorded? As they commiserated, one fan (Alex Gamble) asked a different question: Why can’t we do it ourselves? Nine Inch Nails fans have a long history of documenting the band themselves – from the Live Essentials compilation series to sourcing rare interviews and recordings and putting them (for free) into the hands of the fans, and away from scalpers and profiteers.
And so on December 13th, 2008, when Nine Inch Nails performed the last show on its Lights in the Sky tour at Planet Hollywood in Las Vegas, dozens of the band’s fans secretly documented the concert.
Was Trent Reznor inspired by the fans? As they were planning to descend on Las Vegas, three other concerts on the tour were pro-shot. On Jan. 7th, 2009, more than 400 GB of video from the Victoria, Portland and Sacramento shows were unofficially released by the band on its Web site.
That one fan’s question has turned into a large-scale project that will culminate in the release of a two-disc professional quality DVD release. *Another Version of the Truth: This One’s On Us*: one disc exclusively with fan footage from the Las Vegas show, and one tour video with the pro-shot footage. Fans
included professional audio engineers, video editors, DVD authors and designers working in Hollywood, the UK, France, Quebec, Poland and Australia, with input from around the world regarding various aspects of the release ].
*Another Version of the Truth *can give you a way to show the dedication of the NIN fanbase and what it means to have such a vital band disappearing.

The Process
Thousands of fans leapt to the aid of the TOIOU project within hours of the idea being formed. Editing services, web hosting, and DVD
donations flooded in from around the globe. With it, several questions anchored in a concern to to make the project a concern presented themselves. What order do things need to be done in? How long do these things take? Out of this came goals and deadlines.
Given the amount of people involved, and a feeling that we really wanted to make the best DVD possible, and - let’s face it - we’d never done anything like this before, we found people out of the volunteers who had experience and who could lead the rest of the teams. People who knew all the audio jargon, people who knew what the best video formats are, and, most importantly, people who were serious about doing this. As audio work had already begun for Vegas, it felt logical to mirror this with the Gift audio, and from that the video editors would have a model to follow. A side effect of this is that we found ourselves with release quality audio content very early on that eventually became the audio release that came out in early March. The audio editors went on to tweak and optimise the audio for DVD with a view to making a 5.1 mix.
By this stage, dozens of data tapes, cartridges, hard drives, and CDs had been sent to Alex (torgo/shitfuckdamn) to start work on the Vegas DVD. This was also dozens of different files in different formats that had to be normalised before work could begin. Cue lots of rendering,
muxing, and exasperated twittering! At the same time, we were presented with the problem of making sure all the Gift editors had the footage, and how to make sure this could all be spliced together. kililmoms offered to provide the footage on a HDD that could be shipped around - from DC to Philly, to Quebec, to South Australia, to Poland, and eventually to London. On its travels, it was discovered that demuxing the files for use on a PC changed the timecodes that would make using EDL files (a way of storing the edits in a tiny file rather than having to store the actual full edit) possible. Since half the editing team where on PC and half on Mac, this was a problem. Luckily, Killmoms had also granted us access to a private FTP server, so we were able to transfer full edits around, even if it did slow us down a little. At least we could all see what each editor was doing.
Of course, not everything can work to plan the first time. The glitches noted above and a few inevitable life issues - people
losing their jobs, having babies, and and being involved in car crashess - did mean that the project timeline and editing deadline had to change slightly, but it was generally felt that it was more important to maintain the quality of the DVD than rush to finish it by an arbitrary date. An emphasis on perfection (perhaps inspired by the work ethic of Nine Inch Nails itself) echoed throughout every aspect of the final output, and editors, transcribers, and designers alike went through a rigorous process of drafting and re-drafting their work until the highest standards possible were reached.

ryanevolution

Great idea. If it can happen put me on the list as shooter and supporter. I am surprised there hasn't been way more support for this (too much ticket distraction?). I am not a nin fan by any means but major props on that whole project and story. Incredible idea! Maybe if we just contact the powers that be for a clearance on one show?

Our dvd would def be better than touring band. It looks like it was shoot on vhs, with boring static camera work, and little editing. And even if we did ours like next year, it would still be out before a philly dvd! Haha!

TheBeardedFellow

I thought this topic was stating that the guy who created Blu-Ray was a Pearl Jam fan. I came in because I didn't understand the "Let's do it" part in that context.

smanchac

Yea, im not on here pushing the nin dvd.

I am using it as an example of how easy it can be to organize something like this.

And, we, the pearl jam fans, could create a dvd or blu ray with something as small as the items we already own.

And i really agree that the tickets must have side tracked everyone, i know i myself am very excited about the possibility.

If Madison square garden can hold 10,000 breath signs in 1998, then in 2010 we can get 20-30 people to hold flip cams, or, their cell phone (that they hold up already for picture and small video clips!) or a hand-held digital camera that also shoots video.

I would like to know if anyone knows a site that might get a bigger response? Any particular pj trading sites? User groups?

Im not a big forum type person, but when i had the vision of it happenening, i actually saw msg with thousands of hand held cameras... it would be amazing finished product with that much source!

ryanevolution

Yo! R u saying we can try and do this for upcoming msg?!? That is soon! Anything can happen. We need to seriously motivate on this if it is to be.

smanchac

I agree! We need some people to get involved.

We can take regular clips, if we get enough together to be uploaded as a torrent, we can get something together. Any volunteers? Any ideas?

This can and will be great if we can work it out.
Any thoughts would be great.
Steve

smanchac

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Given2Fly-Fish

I would love to see this happen. I cant contribute Boston night I cause I will be with my family. If there is a night II I am in.

Question - Can you zoom with the flip? I have wanted to get one for awhile.

smanchac

yes you can

I was just looking, i have Nikon cool pix camera, it shoots video also. It cost 89 dollars.
And then i looked at a 32 gig memory card, only 99 i believe.

So, with this handheld digital camera, ill be able to film a lot from the shows.

Here are links on amazon.
http://www.amazon.com/Nikon-Coolpix-L20 ... 852&sr=1-1

http://www.amazon.com/SanDisk-Ultra-32G ... 544&sr=8-1

I have this camera and it takes awesome 10mp pictures and nice video already in avi format.

Heres a link for flip cam that records 60 min HD Footage
http://www.amazon.com/Flip-MinoHD-Camco ... 938&sr=1-1

The more the better. If we cant organize a full capture, maybe people will volunteer to film certian songs and post the links on youtube, then i can DL all of it and work on an edit. Does that sound easier?

LMK

ryanevolution

That flip looks pretty good to me. WHERE THE FUCK IS EVERBODY ON THIS?!?!?!?!? :crazy: I think the crew is currently like 3 or 4 people. WTF!

Spencer

Cool idea, but I can't see how this will fly (and certainly not if organised via the official message board).

Shooting video from your hand-held camera is still against band policy, I'd say people are hesitant to get themselves involved with it for that reason alone - at least publicly.

walkunafraid

I brought a small hand-held HD-camera with me to the third show in L.A. in October (not the Nikon that you posted a link to, but pretty much the same size/function).

During Ben Harper's set I held it up to to take video and within 10 seconds a security guy came over and took the camera away, citing the band's "no video" policy.

I love this idea (I was part of the NIN/TOIOU as well), but for it to work you'd really have to get the band to agree to an open-video policy first.

Just my two cents.