So they're showing thanks for the only company who agreed to let them sell their album the way THEY wanted... how appaling of them.
+1.
say what? someone wasnt letting them make an album? they're fucking millionaires, they dont need Target's permission.
anyway, i've already said they are just hypocrites who are full of shit, but since i never cared about their stupid stances in the first place, i dont care now that they have done a 180 on them now. the music is all i care about.
You don't see a difference in playing a show to support local, indie record stores and playing a show for target execs?
Of course there is a difference, but the principal is the same. Presumably, they played to show appreciation for selling their record.
Again, we have to learn to accept that in this day and age, where retail music is losing 40-50% per year, they have to have a vehicle to get their music out. If they choose to have an exclusive mass retailer to go along with the Indies (which is usually not allowed with other mass retailers), there will be strings attached. I am guessing Backspacer was a gold record the day it was released, thanks to Target. Remember, mouths to feed, mortgages to pay for a lot of other people then themselves.
im not sure when PJ became responsible for apparent legions of starving people who couldnt get jobs elsewhere, but i think i liked them better when they were just a band.
So they're showing thanks for the only company who agreed to let them sell their album the way THEY wanted... how appaling of them.
+1.
say what? someone wasnt letting them make an album? they're fucking millionaires, they dont need Target's permission.
anyway, i've already said they are just hypocrites who are full of shit, but since i never cared about their stupid stances in the first place, i dont care now that they have done a 180 on them now. the music is all i care about.
Target was the only compay who agreed to also let them sell the album in indie stores and on their own website. That's what I was saying.
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It is not a matter of feeding their families. They've spent time building up their careers, so they may as well take advantge as they see fit.
Playing for Target now is the same as them playing for SONY IN 1993. Both companies invested money in the band. A record label's main job is to promote a record and provide distribution. Target isn't a record label, but what they did to promote the new record is very similar to what Sony would have done. The only difference is that Target would hire outside people to handle some of the marketing.
I think this would matter less if Pearl Jam did tours of more than a dozen shows at a time. But as it is, they play short tours, play the same cities over and over and for example here in Europe barely play their own gigs anymore, it's vastly festivals. So yeah, this is kind of a crappy showing to the actual fan-base who aren't Target corporate.
I really can't understand why this is supposed to bother me. People around here need to get over their self-righteous selves.
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i don't care who they play for really. when did we get the right to tell other people what to do? it would be a sucky world if each of us had to check with thousands of people to make sure if a decision is "ok" with them or not
It is not a matter of feeding their families. They've spent time building up their careers, so they may as well take advantge as they see fit.
Playing for Target now is the same as them playing for SONY IN 1993. Both companies invested money in the band. A record label's main job is to promote a record and provide distribution. Target isn't a record label, but what they did to promote the new record is very similar to what Sony would have done. The only difference is that Target would hire outside people to handle some of the marketing.
or how bout that big contract they signed with sony that promised them millions and millions of dollars. i guess people didnt have a problem with that.
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I've known about the Target show for the past few days and I kept waiting for an announcement of a 10C show at 1st Ave after the Target Center warmup. Guess that's not going to happen. Damn, I was looking forward to be hungover on St. Patrick's day.
So let me get this straight then: a small business played a show to their number one customer who allows them to run said business as they please without imposing restrictions on them?
Geez what sellouts lol give me a break.
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So let me get this straight then: a small business played a show to their number one customer who allows them to run said business as they please without imposing restrictions on them?
Geez what sellouts lol give me a break.
lol
so easy even a caveman can grasp that concept
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This was my 86th time seeing this band live and I was conflicted. However, Ed gave a great explanation for the TGT deal. He stated that in this day and age, they need to partner with a distributor who somewhat shares their ideals. Philanthropy, civic giving and a commitment to giving back was what drew them to TGT. He also stated that they demanded that the vinyl be sold in stores. In my opinion, not selling out at all...just selling records in this new day and age.
Keep on rockin in the free world...see you all out on tour.
I've known about the Target show for the past few days and I kept waiting for an announcement of a 10C show at 1st Ave after the Target Center warmup. Guess that's not going to happen. Damn, I was looking forward to be hungover on St. Patrick's day.
maybe a few years ago. Their probably back home via the private jet by now.
From what I've read Ed did have a problem with a lot of the Sony instores and events back in the day.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
So let me get this straight then: a small business played a show to their number one customer who allows them to run said business as they please without imposing restrictions on them?
Geez what sellouts lol give me a break.
bwahaha i dont think theyre sellouts. never have. how can they be when history shows up to,a nd not including backspacer theyve always been signed to a major. i just find it freakin hilarious. but then again im so very easily amused at times.
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First post ever...been waiting to conquer this task. After reading for years, I finally have something to something to add to the babble.
This was my 86th time seeing this band live and I was conflicted. However, Ed gave a great explanation for the TGT deal. He stated that in this day and age, they need to partner with a distributor who somewhat shares their ideals. Philanthropy, civic giving and a commitment to giving back was what drew them to TGT. He also stated that they demanded that the vinyl be sold in stores. In my opinion, not selling out at all...just selling records in this new day and age.
Keep on rockin in the free world...see you all out on tour.
Most logical perspective out there! I was at the show as where several die hard PJ fans who work for Target. The boys seemed sincerely appreciative TGT letting them do it their way as they ROCKED OUT! As you can see from the set (Fixer,Real Me, Porch) they went for a great show and not a hit parade. PJ is doing a great job of staying independent while staying relevent! The day they stop making new music will be the day they stop touring...
First post ever...been waiting to conquer this task. After reading for years, I finally have something to something to add to the babble.
This was my 86th time seeing this band live and I was conflicted. However, Ed gave a great explanation for the TGT deal. He stated that in this day and age, they need to partner with a distributor who somewhat shares their ideals. Philanthropy, civic giving and a commitment to giving back was what drew them to TGT. He also stated that they demanded that the vinyl be sold in stores. In my opinion, not selling out at all...just selling records in this new day and age.
Keep on rockin in the free world...see you all out on tour.
All those wondering about when the next leg will be announced...you KNOW this isn't "the show" they're planning to play at the TARGET CENTER, right?! They gotta be coming back through following the summer to play the TARGET CENTER in Minne properly!
To the haters, get off PJ's backs. This band owes us nothing, except the holiday single they promised as part of the fan club fees. We all know we won't get it at the holidays, but we'll get it, same as we do every year. Someone else said "They still make great music" - ain't that enough?
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In all likelihood, a lot of money. Target probably paid Pearl Jam a solid appearance fee. Easy Street Records likely did not.
anyway, i've already said they are just hypocrites who are full of shit, but since i never cared about their stupid stances in the first place, i dont care now that they have done a 180 on them now. the music is all i care about.
Of course there is a difference, but the principal is the same. Presumably, they played to show appreciation for selling their record.
Again, we have to learn to accept that in this day and age, where retail music is losing 40-50% per year, they have to have a vehicle to get their music out. If they choose to have an exclusive mass retailer to go along with the Indies (which is usually not allowed with other mass retailers), there will be strings attached. I am guessing Backspacer was a gold record the day it was released, thanks to Target. Remember, mouths to feed, mortgages to pay for a lot of other people then themselves.
Because Target did that out of the goodness of their charitable heart. It's not like they made anything out of that dea, right?
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Target was the only compay who agreed to also let them sell the album in indie stores and on their own website. That's what I was saying.
Playing for Target now is the same as them playing for SONY IN 1993. Both companies invested money in the band. A record label's main job is to promote a record and provide distribution. Target isn't a record label, but what they did to promote the new record is very similar to what Sony would have done. The only difference is that Target would hire outside people to handle some of the marketing.
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i don't care who they play for really. when did we get the right to tell other people what to do? it would be a sucky world if each of us had to check with thousands of people to make sure if a decision is "ok" with them or not
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Geez what sellouts lol give me a break.
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lol
so easy even a caveman can grasp that concept
Sammi: Wanna just break up?
This was my 86th time seeing this band live and I was conflicted. However, Ed gave a great explanation for the TGT deal. He stated that in this day and age, they need to partner with a distributor who somewhat shares their ideals. Philanthropy, civic giving and a commitment to giving back was what drew them to TGT. He also stated that they demanded that the vinyl be sold in stores. In my opinion, not selling out at all...just selling records in this new day and age.
Keep on rockin in the free world...see you all out on tour.
maybe a few years ago. Their probably back home via the private jet by now.
From what I've read Ed did have a problem with a lot of the Sony instores and events back in the day.
bwahaha i dont think theyre sellouts. never have. how can they be when history shows up to,a nd not including backspacer theyve always been signed to a major. i just find it freakin hilarious. but then again im so very easily amused at times.
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+10000
doesnt make it any less amusing.
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Most logical perspective out there! I was at the show as where several die hard PJ fans who work for Target. The boys seemed sincerely appreciative TGT letting them do it their way as they ROCKED OUT! As you can see from the set (Fixer,Real Me, Porch) they went for a great show and not a hit parade. PJ is doing a great job of staying independent while staying relevent! The day they stop making new music will be the day they stop touring...
Exactly. Well played sir, Well played.
To the haters, get off PJ's backs. This band owes us nothing, except the holiday single they promised as part of the fan club fees. We all know we won't get it at the holidays, but we'll get it, same as we do every year. Someone else said "They still make great music" - ain't that enough?