It's that the house of representatives if they adopt this sluaghter rule ( so called ) will be enacting in a brazen violation of artcle 1 sec. 7 of the constituion
They have to vote on a bill with yays or nays with their name beside their vote before it can be amended. That's what the constituion says...
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi speaks with fellow lawmakers outside the West Wing of the White House after meeting with President Barack Obama in Washington, Wednesday, Jan. 6, 2010. Left to right are House Ways and Means Chairman Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., House Education and Labor Chairman Rep. George Miller, D-Calif., Pelosi, House Rules Committee Chairman Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y., and House Energy and Commerce Chairman Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif. (AP Photo/Gerald Herbert)
Republicans now expect Democrats to pass health care through the House with a trick only Capitol Hill could dream up: approving the Senate bill without voting on it.
Democrats will vote on a separate bill that includes language stating that the original Senate bill is “deemed passed.”
So by voting for the first bill — a reconciliation measure to fix certain things in the Senate bill — that will automatically pass the second bill — the original Senate bill — without a separate roll call taking place.
It’s called the “Slaughter Solution” (prepare for a weekend of endless TV gabbing about it).
And after debating House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer on the chamber floor, Minority Whip Eric Cantor emerged convinced that Democrats are going to use the tactic, and that they won’t allow Republicans, and the public, to see the text of any legislation for 72 hours before a vote.
“I can infer that we’re going to see a rule that will deem the Senate bill as having passed, and at the same time not even have 72 hours to even look at what they are passing,” Cantor, a Virginia Republican, said in an interview outside his office at the Capitol.
“The outrage to me on the part of the public is going to be focused on the fact that there is not even an up or down vote, a clean up or down vote,” Cantor said.
Here’s the reason Democrats are using such a complicated procedure: many in the House completely do not trust the Senate to pass fixes to the bill passed by the Senate in December. But according to the rules of reconciliation, the House must go first in passing the Senate bill and passing a reconciliation fix.
So House Democrats have been searching for a way to alleviate members’ concerns that if they vote for the Senate bill and the Senate does nothing to fix it, they will be hung out to dry as having supported a piece of legislation that many across the country dislike, either for spending reasons, or because of special provisions like the extra money for Nebraska’s Medicaid population (the “Cornhusker kickback”).
Technically, using the “Slaughter solution,” they’ll never have voted for the bill they find odious, even if their vote on the reconciliation legislation will have been the vote that passed the Senate bill into law.
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat, alluded to all this at her weekly press conference Friday.
“There are certain assurances that they want and that we will get for them before I ask them to take a vote,” Pelosi said.
The “Slaughter solution” is named for House Rules Committee Chairman Louise Slaughter, the New York Democrat who came up with the idea. She told the Daily Caller on Thursday that the chances of her procedure being used were “pretty good.”
Despite doubt among some on Capitol Hill on whether the “Slaughter solution” was feasible, Cantor expressed no doubt that the tactic could be used.
“It’s a self-executing rule. It is akin to passage but hidden in a rule as a side-note, passing the 2,700-page, $1 trillion bill, oh by the way,” he said.
Hoyer rejected the idea that Republicans have not had enough time to review the legislation.
“You have had months to review the substance of that bill. You don’t like it. We understand. You’re going to oppose it. We understand that as well. The fact of the matter is you cannot say you have had no notice of each and every provision for over two months,” said Hoyer, a Maryland Democrat.
Cantor said he wanted 72 hours to review the final text of the reconciliation bill.
“The reconciliation bill is new text. He claims it’s old hat, but this is clearly where they’re reconciling differences,” Cantor said, expressing concern that Democrats would rush the final text to the House floor for a vote to keep “sweeteners” used to buy off votes from being discovered.
Democrats are coalescing around a schedule for the bill’s route to the House floor for a vote. They are expecting a final score from the Congressional Budget Office later today.
On Monday, the House Budget Committee will mark the bill up, leading to an expected vote in the Rules Committee on Wednesday, with a final vote by the full House possible next weekend.
The question remains, however, whether Pelosi will even be able to round up enough votes to pass a bill.
Momentum continued to go the wrong direction for her on Friday, as two more Democrats said they are opposed to the bill.
This just proves even more how out of control the Democrats are. NEVER in the history of our republic has this ever been done. This congrees is fully aligned against what the people want. These representative branches do not represnt the american people any more and either does Obama.Unlees you support an authoritarian Gov.as long as it supports your agenda. All you libs need to speak up and speak out against this.
This is a COMPLETE VIOLATION OF OUR CONSTITUION and everthing it stands for. Think about this for a minute before you comment. Were talking about the house acting as they already voted under article1 sec. 7 clause 2 on an underlined bill. when in fact all they are voting on are amendments called recocilation to a bill that does not exist in the house. :wtf: :x :?
:roll: how about a link from a legit news source and not from a blog site??
if this is so unconstitutional why has it been used before, and at least 2.5 times more by gop controlled congress than dem controlled congress??
the gop has had 10 years of majority to do something about health care and did nothing. obama gave them over a year to come to the table and negotiate but all they did is put their fingers in their ears and scream "LA LA LA LA I CAN"T HEAR YOU!" or just a plain old "NOOOOOOOOO!!!". they had their chance, it serves them right, fuck 'em... whiney little babies...
THE REPUBLICAN PLAN:
COMMON-SENSE HEALTH CARE REFORMS OUR NATION CAN AFFORD
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
the words GOP and SOLUTIONS and HEALTHCARE do not belong in the same sentence or url together...
You are the one complaining that the Republicans don’t have an alternative plan....Well here it is....You refuse to listen or even admit they have a plan.....at least check it out
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
the words GOP and SOLUTIONS and HEALTHCARE do not belong in the same sentence or url together...
You are the one complaining that the Republicans don’t have an alternative plan....Well here it is....You refuse to listen or even admit they have a plan.....at least check it out
i did check it out and i read that website and wached boehner's bullshit video, and my official response is....
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"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Your wasting your time aeiral. He will never get it becuase he thinks a gov takeover is the answer to the problem. When in fact it's not. Rather than trying things like letting us buy across state lines which would create more compition which would bring down prices.
All the experts from both sides are saying that it's going to be a train wreck. And it will change this country forever for the worse. It will do nothing but put us more in debt and grow the government. See ariel they think they know what's best for us.When they don't and even though we are saying no they don't care because they are on a hudge power trip. They want to control every aspect of our lives and this is just the beginning.
Your wasting your time aeiral. He will never get it becuase he thinks a gov takeover is the answer to the problem. When in fact it's not. Rather than trying things like letting us buy across state lines which would create more compition which would bring down prices.
All the experts from both sides are saying that it's going to be a train wreck. And it will change this country forever for the worse. It will do nothing but put us more in debt and grow the government. See ariel they think they know what's best for us.When they don't and even though we are saying no they don't care because they are on a hudge power trip. They want to control every aspect of our lives and this is just the beginning.
that article in your cbs link was reprinted from the new ledger, another right wing, anti democrat, anti tax and small government website...not an unbiased word in any of the 7 articles i read on the front page on their site....it is right up your alley..
So what dude. I mean if it came from the Huffington post would you believe it then ?
Or what about Move on ? Would you then.
I mean really . facts are facts even the CBO is saying prices will go up
from what I have read the CBO numbers are not 100% accurate as well, partly becuase the bill looks at the next ten years, the CBO does not, but the first three years is more about developing the revenue for the bill.
Some, ONLY SOME, of the programs in the bill do not take affect till 2014, so yes some taxes will go up and for 3 years the fruits of those taxes will not be seen so you could stretch the truth and that say you aren't getting much for those taxes..... look at the big picture
So we should ignore what the constituion says ? :wtf: :crazy:
For the record I agree with the fact that we need to do something about the high cost of premiums...Just so you know not that any of you care but my mom pays over $400 a month for health ins, She's 60 ,non smoker,doesn't drink, all she has is high blood presure. But even she doesn' want this biill to pass.
our premiums will go up and so will are taxes on goods and services not to mention we will loose jobs, You know those people that work for those evil ins companies.
What do you think that's going to happen to those people ?
I still do not see evidence where prems will go up under this plan, where taxes on goods will go up (not sure what that has to do with this topic) or where people will lose jobs.
I see it as reverse...... prems will hold steady, jobs will be increased within the health care field cuz more people will access services, wages will go up (wages are going down right now partly cuz of company insurance cost) and yes SOME taxes MIGHT go up (not on goods) but I suspect that the Obama Admin, will structure taxes to cover cost nda be fair for all the people.
and stop bringing up the constitution, I do not think this is a constitutionals debate if it is we can start debating how the Bush admin violated the constitution...... aka going to war under false pretenses
I thought you conservative fellows were all about keeping debt low and not borrowing money?
I am. Look there's no denying that Bush spent way to much,but that's not what this thread is about.
I understand that, and frankly I think we can both agree that this whole approach of "deem and pass" is probably not the best move politically.
What I don't understand is all this faux outrage being generated in the right wing echo chamber. After all:
"Deem and Pass" has been used often and by both parties. Democrats point out that Republicans used it quite a bit in the 1990s, in fact -- though not for something quite as large as this.
In this Congress, Democrats used "Deem and Pass" for raising the debt ceiling, which was tucked into the PayGo bill.
...and there wasn't a single squawk about it from the likes of National Review or any of the other conservative media outlets.
So really, the entire constitutionality question is moot, given that it's been around so long and nobody's bothered to seriously question it. All it is really is a procedural method - we can disagree on whether or not it's politically sound for the Democrats to do it this way, but I can't see it being illegal or unconstitutional, not after all this time.
"It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
"Deem and Pass" has been used often and by both parties. Democrats point out that Republicans used it quite a bit in the 1990s, in fact -- though not for something quite as large as this.
In this Congress, Democrats used "Deem and Pass" for raising the debt ceiling, which was tucked into the PayGo bill.
That's not a constituional argument.
That is.... They did it... So what, It wasn't right then and it sure as hell isn't right now to try and do this.Both parties at all times should comply with the constituion.
So really, the entire constitutionality question is moot, given that it's been around so long and nobody's bothered to seriously question it. All it is really is a procedural method - we can disagree on whether or not it's politically sound for the Democrats to do it this way, but I can't see it being illegal or unconstitutional, not after all this time.
:? :? So just because the repukes got away with it we shoud just say the hell with it and violate our constitution ? Please tell me where does the constituion provide that a house of cogress can say that it passed a law when there's no vote taken ?
1. The vote on the Senate bill is inclusive in the reconciliation bill. If a House member doesn't agree with the Senate bill, then he or she can vote no. Plain and simple.
2. Enough of this faux constitutional argument. It's stated plain and simple in Article I:
5.2 Each House may determine the rules of its proceedings, punish its members for disorderly behavior, and with the concurrence of two thirds, expel a member.
So basically, if they decide that they want to vote by singing Pearl Jam songs, the Constitution allows them to do that.
Next question.
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"It's not hard to own something. Or everything. You just have to know that it's yours, and then be willing to let it go." - Neil Gaiman, "Stardust"
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
some can make the argument that promoting the general welfare would be providing universal, single payer health coverage...this already applies to emergency room care, why not general medical as well??
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
This is one way to fundementally transform the United States of America.
This will open the flood gates to ginormous government. There will be no stopping Congress from passing new laws.
If you think Obama and the Dems are the greatest...remember that he won't be President forever and you might hate the next guy more than you hated the last one.
This is one way to fundementally transform the United States of America.
This will open the flood gates to ginormous government. There will be no stopping Congress from passing new laws.
If you think Obama and the Dems are the greatest...remember that he won't be President forever and you might hate the next guy more than you hated the last one.
congress can pass new laws whenever they vote for them....?
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
This is one way to fundementally transform the United States of America.
This will open the flood gates to ginormous government. There will be no stopping Congress from passing new laws.
If you think Obama and the Dems are the greatest...remember that he won't be President forever and you might hate the next guy more than you hated the last one.
ummmm ever hear of a VETO???
that can keep congress from passing new laws, and congress would have to secure 2/3 vote to override the veto...
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
I agree with most of you, that it would be great to have the ability to insure everyone. If anyone needs this to pass right now, it's me. My son was born with a heart defect that needs to be corrected surgically, but insurance companies won't provide a policy on him at all, because of that condition. I can't even get general insurance to cover everything BUT the heart condition. So the $50,000+ that it's going to cost for this procedure will come out of my pocket. Luckily for me, I can absorb that cost, but I can't fathom being a parent that is unable to do so. I don't believe whether we live or die should come down to whether we can afford it or not.
The unfortunate reality is, that is exactly what it comes down to. It's ridiculous that we live in this country, and we are in such a sad state. The money management within our government is beyond stupid. Our country may be the richest, as far as what we consume, but that is pretty much all we have become....a nation of consumers. Couple that with the fact that much of our consumption is done so on credit. A nation is not rich when we are debt spending. Just because you spend a million dollars on credit, does not mean you've added anything monetarily to our economy if you don't actually have the means to pay it back. Somewhere down the road, there is going to be a million dollar hole that needs to be filled by someone. At the VERY least, just to stay where we are now (which is in a real shit hole of debt) we'd need to cut the equivalent of the health care plan from our budget before it's passed. However, we all know that nothing is going to be cut.
As I said in another post, if your business' financial numbers looked like this: http://www.usdebtclock.org/ you wouldn't stay in business long, and you damn sure couldn't afford to give all your employees health care.
This is one way to fundementally transform the United States of America.
This will open the flood gates to ginormous government. There will be no stopping Congress from passing new laws.
If you think Obama and the Dems are the greatest...remember that he won't be President forever and you might hate the next guy more than you hated the last one.
congress can pass new laws whenever they vote for them....?
prior to 1900 1 Senator could block legislation. Then around 1917 it was changed so 2/3 were needed then in the 70's it was reduced to 60 Senators stopped the filabuster and now in 2010 "if you have 51% of the vote you get your way 100% of the time"
This is one way to fundementally transform the United States of America.
This will open the flood gates to ginormous government. There will be no stopping Congress from passing new laws.
If you think Obama and the Dems are the greatest...remember that he won't be President forever and you might hate the next guy more than you hated the last one.
congress can pass new laws whenever they vote for them....?
prior to 1900 1 Senator could block legislation. Then around 1917 it was changed so 2/3 were needed then in the 70's it was reduced to 60 Senators stopped the filabuster and now in 2010 "if you have 51% of the vote you get your way 100% of the time"
Get it?
reconciliation was created in 1974 and has been used 22 times since 1980....the contract with america, bush's tax cuts in 2001, his changes to medicare, welfare reform bill, COBRA (which stands for Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1986 and signed by Reagan), the balanced budget act of 97....were all passed this way, it's hardly a new thing and it's not like just because it is passed through reconciliation doesn't mean the president is forced to sign it into law
i get it, i'm just not so sure that you do....
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
prior to 1900 1 Senator could block legislation. Then around 1917 it was changed so 2/3 were needed then in the 70's it was reduced to 60 Senators stopped the filabuster and now in 2010 "if you have 51% of the vote you get your way 100% of the time"
Get it?
Are you kidding? The Democrats can't get anything done in the Senate without the Republicans forcing a cloture vote for everything. An all time record, even for them.
what are they so afraid of and I need something other then debt, we are in debt right now becuase of almost 10 years of war in Iraq....
so what is there to fear, I don't get it... really
No one knows what’s in the bill...Nancy says “we need to pass it so that we can find out what is in the bill” ....WTF?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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what are they so afraid of and I need something other then debt, we are in debt right now becuase of almost 10 years of war in Iraq....
so what is there to fear, I don't get it... really
Our country....War is fine after 8 years even under false pretenses......health care is worse than a atomic bomb going off in this country. We love to blow up shit in other countries while within our own country we are comfortable with those dying within our borders.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
what are they so afraid of and I need something other then debt, we are in debt right now becuase of almost 10 years of war in Iraq....
so what is there to fear, I don't get it... really
Our country....War is fine after 8 years even under false pretenses......health care is worse than a atomic bomb going off in this country. We love to blow up shit in other countries while within our own country we are comfortable with those dying within our borders.
Peace
You got to be kidding! Who loves blowing shit up?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
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They have to vote on a bill with yays or nays with their name beside their vote before it can be amended. That's what the constituion says...
Clinton Vs city of NY 1998..
have to go to work will update later
COMMON-SENSE HEALTH CARE REFORMS OUR NATION CAN AFFORD
http://www.gop.gov/solutions/healthcare
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
All the experts from both sides are saying that it's going to be a train wreck. And it will change this country forever for the worse. It will do nothing but put us more in debt and grow the government. See ariel they think they know what's best for us.When they don't and even though we are saying no they don't care because they are on a hudge power trip. They want to control every aspect of our lives and this is just the beginning.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/03/ ... 0344.shtml
http://newledger.com/
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Or what about Move on ? Would you then.
I mean really . facts are facts even the CBO is saying prices will go up
from what I have read the CBO numbers are not 100% accurate as well, partly becuase the bill looks at the next ten years, the CBO does not, but the first three years is more about developing the revenue for the bill.
Some, ONLY SOME, of the programs in the bill do not take affect till 2014, so yes some taxes will go up and for 3 years the fruits of those taxes will not be seen so you could stretch the truth and that say you aren't getting much for those taxes..... look at the big picture
I still do not see evidence where prems will go up under this plan, where taxes on goods will go up (not sure what that has to do with this topic) or where people will lose jobs.
I see it as reverse...... prems will hold steady, jobs will be increased within the health care field cuz more people will access services, wages will go up (wages are going down right now partly cuz of company insurance cost) and yes SOME taxes MIGHT go up (not on goods) but I suspect that the Obama Admin, will structure taxes to cover cost nda be fair for all the people.
and stop bringing up the constitution, I do not think this is a constitutionals debate if it is we can start debating how the Bush admin violated the constitution...... aka going to war under false pretenses
I understand that, and frankly I think we can both agree that this whole approach of "deem and pass" is probably not the best move politically.
What I don't understand is all this faux outrage being generated in the right wing echo chamber. After all:
"Deem and Pass" has been used often and by both parties. Democrats point out that Republicans used it quite a bit in the 1990s, in fact -- though not for something quite as large as this.
In this Congress, Democrats used "Deem and Pass" for raising the debt ceiling, which was tucked into the PayGo bill.
...and there wasn't a single squawk about it from the likes of National Review or any of the other conservative media outlets.
So really, the entire constitutionality question is moot, given that it's been around so long and nobody's bothered to seriously question it. All it is really is a procedural method - we can disagree on whether or not it's politically sound for the Democrats to do it this way, but I can't see it being illegal or unconstitutional, not after all this time.
I am starting to feel really optimistic that this is going to pass.
this was interesting
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... =124784792
http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2010/03 ... _hous.html
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
That's not a constituional argument.
That is.... They did it... So what, It wasn't right then and it sure as hell isn't right now to try and do this.Both parties at all times should comply with the constituion.
:? :? So just because the repukes got away with it we shoud just say the hell with it and violate our constitution ? Please tell me where does the constituion provide that a house of cogress can say that it passed a law when there's no vote taken ?
1. The vote on the Senate bill is inclusive in the reconciliation bill. If a House member doesn't agree with the Senate bill, then he or she can vote no. Plain and simple.
2. Enough of this faux constitutional argument. It's stated plain and simple in Article I: So basically, if they decide that they want to vote by singing Pearl Jam songs, the Constitution allows them to do that.
Next question.
"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
some can make the argument that promoting the general welfare would be providing universal, single payer health coverage...this already applies to emergency room care, why not general medical as well??
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
This will open the flood gates to ginormous government. There will be no stopping Congress from passing new laws.
If you think Obama and the Dems are the greatest...remember that he won't be President forever and you might hate the next guy more than you hated the last one.
congress can pass new laws whenever they vote for them....?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
that can keep congress from passing new laws, and congress would have to secure 2/3 vote to override the veto...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
The unfortunate reality is, that is exactly what it comes down to. It's ridiculous that we live in this country, and we are in such a sad state. The money management within our government is beyond stupid. Our country may be the richest, as far as what we consume, but that is pretty much all we have become....a nation of consumers. Couple that with the fact that much of our consumption is done so on credit. A nation is not rich when we are debt spending. Just because you spend a million dollars on credit, does not mean you've added anything monetarily to our economy if you don't actually have the means to pay it back. Somewhere down the road, there is going to be a million dollar hole that needs to be filled by someone. At the VERY least, just to stay where we are now (which is in a real shit hole of debt) we'd need to cut the equivalent of the health care plan from our budget before it's passed. However, we all know that nothing is going to be cut.
As I said in another post, if your business' financial numbers looked like this: http://www.usdebtclock.org/ you wouldn't stay in business long, and you damn sure couldn't afford to give all your employees health care.
prior to 1900 1 Senator could block legislation. Then around 1917 it was changed so 2/3 were needed then in the 70's it was reduced to 60 Senators stopped the filabuster and now in 2010 "if you have 51% of the vote you get your way 100% of the time"
Get it?
reconciliation was created in 1974 and has been used 22 times since 1980....the contract with america, bush's tax cuts in 2001, his changes to medicare, welfare reform bill, COBRA (which stands for Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1986 and signed by Reagan), the balanced budget act of 97....were all passed this way, it's hardly a new thing and it's not like just because it is passed through reconciliation doesn't mean the president is forced to sign it into law
i get it, i'm just not so sure that you do....
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Yeah, heaven forbid that Congress be allowed to do what they're supposed to be doing. :roll:
Are you kidding? The Democrats can't get anything done in the Senate without the Republicans forcing a cloture vote for everything. An all time record, even for them.
Or if pictures help:
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what are they so afraid of and I need something other then debt, we are in debt right now becuase of almost 10 years of war in Iraq....
so what is there to fear, I don't get it... really
Our country....War is fine after 8 years even under false pretenses......health care is worse than a atomic bomb going off in this country. We love to blow up shit in other countries while within our own country we are comfortable with those dying within our borders.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)