this is why we can't afford health care
Comments
-
$150 a week for a family of 4 between groceries and eating out is not a lot of money at all.know1 wrote:Good point about food, clothing and shelter.
How much does a family of 4 spend on food in a week between groceries and eating out, lunches, etc.? I'm going to guess that it's around $150 at least. That's a lot of money. Why don't we have everyone covered by food insurance? Shouldn't food be a basic right....after all, you can't live without it."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
all of you are forgetting about all the frivolous Lawsuits that go on in this country. That's one of the main reasons Ins is so expensive. We need Tort Reform,but isn't funny how the Democrates want nothing to do with it. Maybe it's because all those slip and fall attorney's are some of the biggest contributors to the Democratic party.0
-
ajedigecko wrote:people who take care of their health and develop a disease or illness, i see no problem helping them.
people who take toxins and develop a disease or illness, i see no problem helping the people who take care of their health first.
personnal accountability, i like it, some do not.
Do you include coffee as grounds for denying someone medical care? Do they qualify for life in your profit making selection process (picture the ramp at Auschwitz) - which benefits nobody except the medical industry - or are people who drink coffee to be flushed down the toilet like everybody else who doesn't pass muster in your scheme of things?0 -
Pepe Silvia wrote:Heatherj43 wrote:The Reagan admin. spent more on military than all of US history combined before him.
This was for the so called Cold War that really never existed.
from the encarta encyclopedia:
G The CIA under President Reagan
President Reagan made good on his promise to rebuild the CIA and secured a major expansion in the budget and personnel of the agency. (The CIA budget was a secret until 1997, when it was officially revealed to be $26.6 billion. Rough estimates suggest that the agency’s budget was about $20 billion in 1981, and that it reached a Cold War high of about $36 billion at the end of the 1980s.) Reagan named CIA veteran William Casey as the agency’s director, and included him in the Cabinet where he became a key presidential advisor. Reagan relied heavily on Casey and the CIA to lead his campaign to end what he called the “evil empire” of Soviet Communism. At Reagan’s direction, the CIA created reports that exaggerated the economic and military threat presented by the Soviet Union. The distorted estimates helped Reagan persuade Congress to approve massive funding for the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI)—a system of space-based defenses against nuclear attack. The Soviet economy, already hobbled by chronic problems, was too weak to support a Soviet military effort to match SDI.
Reagan should have been tarred and feathered, beaten like a rabid dog, and then burned in a trash bin.
Just my humble opinion.0 -
do you even know what a tort is?? i'm just asking because of all of these shows you righties mention, not one of them goes in depth into what a tort is. there are several types of tort and it is not only in the medical fields where torts are alleged and where torts occur...prfctlefts wrote:all of you are forgetting about all the frivolous Lawsuits that go on in this country. That's one of the main reasons Ins is so expensive. We need Tort Reform,but isn't funny how the Democrates want nothing to do with it. Maybe it's because all those slip and fall attorney's are some of the biggest contributors to the Democratic party.
lawsuits are NOT why YOUR health insurance is so expensive. that is why the DOCTORS' LIABILITY INSURANCE IS SO EXPENSIVE!" it does not directly influence your premiums so stop saying that it does. doctors can charge only what medicare allows them to charge for all procedures. medicare sets the groundrules that all health insurance companies play by in regard to costs and what they will pay for things. increasing doctor's premiums for liability insurance is not passed on to the patients, but the docs have to see more patients to make up for the loss of money for liability ins premiums. they can not directly affect your premiums and arbitrarily charge you 3 times the medicare allowable charge to make up for it, so it is not affecting YOUR health insurance premiums. please get your facts straight before you post this crap on here.
i believe tort reform is bullshit. read my example in the other thread. mistakes are made by doctors all the time, and i think a $250,000 cap on damages for such egregious and dubious errors as amputating the wrong limb, implanting an organ with the wrong blood type, removing the wron kidney, and leaving surgical tools inside a patient that can cause years and years of pain and suffering, lost function, and mental anguish should be awarded what a jury feels as appropriate. not some arbitrary amount that some piece of legislation says."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
check out some of the other pearls of journalistic integrity and non-partisanship from the daily caller website that was posted....and people wonder why they are not taken seriously...
http://dailycaller.com/"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
coffee would fall into the far left or far right of a simple bell curve. in essence, an outlier with not effect on statistics.Byrnzie wrote:ajedigecko wrote:people who take care of their health and develop a disease or illness, i see no problem helping them.
people who take toxins and develop a disease or illness, i see no problem helping the people who take care of their health first.
personnal accountability, i like it, some do not.
Do you include coffee as grounds for denying someone medical care? Do they qualify for life in your profit making selection process (picture the ramp at Auschwitz) - which benefits nobody except the medical industry - or are people who drink coffee to be flushed down the toilet like everybody else who doesn't pass muster in your scheme of things?live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.0 -
ajedigecko wrote:
coffee would fall into the far left or far right of a simple bell curve. in essence, an outlier with not effect on statistics.Byrnzie wrote:ajedigecko wrote:people who take care of their health and develop a disease or illness, i see no problem helping them.
people who take toxins and develop a disease or illness, i see no problem helping the people who take care of their health first.
personnal accountability, i like it, some do not.
Do you include coffee as grounds for denying someone medical care? Do they qualify for life in your profit making selection process (picture the ramp at Auschwitz) - which benefits nobody except the medical industry - or are people who drink coffee to be flushed down the toilet like everybody else who doesn't pass muster in your scheme of things?
how would you distinguish between who took care of themselves and who took toxins? will everyone and their eating habits have to be monitored? will you set up an appointment for a doctor's visit then they send investigators to find out how you live? i just don't see how you would find out who did what in order to qualify for coverage or notdon't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'0 -
how would you distinguish between who took care of themselves and who took toxins? will everyone and their eating habits have to be monitored? will you set up an appointment for a doctor's visit then they send investigators to find out how you live? i just don't see how you would find out who did what in order to qualify for coverage or not[/quote]
1. the dr. would make the distinction, based on the numerous tests available.
2. only people on gov't healthcare would be monitored.
3. a yearly physical would be required in order to be covered under gov't health care.
yet again....i do not think an individual needs the federal government telling them how to live. i still have hope for common sense.
but, when you make frequent bad decisions that require you to extend your hand out, do not act surprised, when the other party requries you to improve on consistant bad choices.live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:
do you even know what a tort is?? i'm just asking because of all of these shows you righties mention, not one of them goes in depth into what a tort is. there are several types of tort and it is not only in the medical fields where torts are alleged and where torts occur...prfctlefts wrote:all of you are forgetting about all the frivolous Lawsuits that go on in this country. That's one of the main reasons Ins is so expensive. We need Tort Reform,but isn't funny how the Democrates want nothing to do with it. Maybe it's because all those slip and fall attorney's are some of the biggest contributors to the Democratic party.
lawsuits are NOT why YOUR health insurance is so expensive. that is why the DOCTORS' LIABILITY INSURANCE IS SO EXPENSIVE!" it does not directly influence your premiums so stop saying that it does. doctors can charge only what medicare allows them to charge for all procedures. medicare sets the groundrules that all health insurance companies play by in regard to costs and what they will pay for things. increasing doctor's premiums for liability insurance is not passed on to the patients, but the docs have to see more patients to make up for the loss of money for liability ins premiums. they can not directly affect your premiums and arbitrarily charge you 3 times the medicare allowable charge to make up for it, so it is not affecting YOUR health insurance premiums. please get your facts straight before you post this crap on here.
i believe tort reform is bullshit. read my example in the other thread. mistakes are made by doctors all the time, and i think a $250,000 cap on damages for such egregious and dubious errors as amputating the wrong limb, implanting an organ with the wrong blood type, removing the wron kidney, and leaving surgical tools inside a patient that can cause years and years of pain and suffering, lost function, and mental anguish should be awarded what a jury feels as appropriate. not some arbitrary amount that some piece of legislation says.
no replies to this?? i did not think so...."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
"there's more oversight of the headstart program than the defense budget"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQZmbxhPl2Adon't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'0 -
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'0 -
gimmesometruth27 wrote:gimmesometruth27 wrote:
do you even know what a tort is?? i'm just asking because of all of these shows you righties mention, not one of them goes in depth into what a tort is. there are several types of tort and it is not only in the medical fields where torts are alleged and where torts occur...prfctlefts wrote:all of you are forgetting about all the frivolous Lawsuits that go on in this country. That's one of the main reasons Ins is so expensive. We need Tort Reform,but isn't funny how the Democrates want nothing to do with it. Maybe it's because all those slip and fall attorney's are some of the biggest contributors to the Democratic party.
lawsuits are NOT why YOUR health insurance is so expensive. that is why the DOCTORS' LIABILITY INSURANCE IS SO EXPENSIVE!" it does not directly influence your premiums so stop saying that it does. doctors can charge only what medicare allows them to charge for all procedures. medicare sets the groundrules that all health insurance companies play by in regard to costs and what they will pay for things. increasing doctor's premiums for liability insurance is not passed on to the patients, but the docs have to see more patients to make up for the loss of money for liability ins premiums. they can not directly affect your premiums and arbitrarily charge you 3 times the medicare allowable charge to make up for it, so it is not affecting YOUR health insurance premiums. please get your facts straight before you post this crap on here.
i believe tort reform is bullshit. read my example in the other thread. mistakes are made by doctors all the time, and i think a $250,000 cap on damages for such egregious and dubious errors as amputating the wrong limb, implanting an organ with the wrong blood type, removing the wron kidney, and leaving surgical tools inside a patient that can cause years and years of pain and suffering, lost function, and mental anguish should be awarded what a jury feels as appropriate. not some arbitrary amount that some piece of legislation says.
no replies to this?? i did not think so....
I will...
I agree with you. I always answer about tort reform being needed and all that with this simple statement "how much is your left arm worth to you?" I sure think mine is worth more than 250,000. I wouldn't sell it for 10,000,000that’s right! Can’t we all just get together and focus on our real enemies: monogamous gays and stem cells… - Ned Flanders
It is terrifying when you are too stupid to know who is dumb
- Joe Rogan0 -
ajedigecko wrote:people who take care of their health and develop a disease or illness, i see no problem helping them.
people who take toxins and develop a disease or illness, i see no problem helping the people who take care of their health first.
personnal accountability, i like it, some do not.
How do you take care of your health if you CANT afford to take care of your health and you have the disease of addiciton.
Personal accountability? WTF does that mean?
Try taking care of your health when you have voices in your head and there is no money for meds? Do those peole deserve no help because of personal accountability. Sick is sick. Everyone should be taken care of even if those drunk with money have to front the bill.
go ahead, I'm waiting....0 -
No kidding. Maybe its a bad choice to smoke, but its also a bad choice to drive fast, eat too much of one thing, not eat enough of another, work carelessly at your job, climb up on that wobbly ladder to clear out your gutters....etc etc... All stupid mistakes people make but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be helped because they made bad choices.BhagavadGita wrote:ajedigecko wrote:people who take care of their health and develop a disease or illness, i see no problem helping them.
people who take toxins and develop a disease or illness, i see no problem helping the people who take care of their health first.
personnal accountability, i like it, some do not.
How do you take care of your health if you CANT afford to take care of your health and you have the disease of addiciton.
Personal accountability? WTF does that mean?
Try taking care of your health when you have voices in your head and there is no money for meds? Do those peole deserve no help because of personal accountability. Sick is sick. Everyone should be taken care of even if those drunk with money have to front the bill.
go ahead, I'm waiting....
And besides. What of the loved ones around the smoker who get cancer just from breathing in their smoke? Should we not help them either?live pearl jam is best pearl jam0 -
haffajappa wrote:
No kidding. Maybe its a bad choice to smoke, but its also a bad choice to drive fast, eat too much of one thing, not eat enough of another, work carelessly at your job, climb up on that wobbly ladder to clear out your gutters....etc etc... All stupid mistakes people make but it doesn't mean they shouldn't be helped because they made bad choices.BhagavadGita wrote:ajedigecko wrote:people who take care of their health and develop a disease or illness, i see no problem helping them.
people who take toxins and develop a disease or illness, i see no problem helping the people who take care of their health first.
personnal accountability, i like it, some do not.
How do you take care of your health if you CANT afford to take care of your health and you have the disease of addiciton.
Personal accountability? WTF does that mean?
Try taking care of your health when you have voices in your head and there is no money for meds? Do those peole deserve no help because of personal accountability. Sick is sick. Everyone should be taken care of even if those drunk with money have to front the bill.
go ahead, I'm waiting....
And besides. What of the loved ones around the smoker who get cancer just from breathing in their smoke? Should we not help them either?
didn't a tobacco executive say about babies and second hand smoking "eventually they learn how to crawl." ?don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'0 -
:?:"Pepe wrote:didn't a tobacco executive say about babies and second hand smoking "eventually they learn how to crawl." ?live pearl jam is best pearl jam0
Categories
- All Categories
- 148.9K Pearl Jam's Music and Activism
- 110.1K The Porch
- 275 Vitalogy
- 35.1K Given To Fly (live)
- 3.5K Words and Music...Communication
- 39.2K Flea Market
- 39.2K Lost Dogs
- 58.7K Not Pearl Jam's Music
- 10.6K Musicians and Gearheads
- 29.1K Other Music
- 17.8K Poetry, Prose, Music & Art
- 1.1K The Art Wall
- 56.8K Non-Pearl Jam Discussion
- 22.2K A Moving Train
- 31.7K All Encompassing Trip
- 2.9K Technical Stuff and Help