this is why we can't afford health care
Pepe Silvia
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proving the military budget is extremely overinflated
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/ ... 5985.shtml
More money for the Pentagon, CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales reports, while its own auditors admit the military cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends.
"According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.
$2.3 trillion — that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America. To understand how the Pentagon can lose track of trillions, consider the case of one military accountant who tried to find out what happened to a mere $300 million.
"We know it's gone. But we don't know what they spent it on," said Jim Minnery, Defense Finance and Accounting Service.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/09/us/na ... ckets.html
The Defense Department spent an estimated $100 million for airline tickets that were not used over a six-year period and failed to seek refunds even though the tickets were reimbursable, congressional investigators say. The department compounded the problem by reimbursing employee claims for tickets bought by the Pentagon, the investigators said. The General Accounting Office issued the findings in two reports on the Pentagon's lack of control over airline travel, copies of which The Associated Press obtained. The office concluded that the waste, from 1997 to 2003, went undetected because the department relied on individuals to report the unused tickets, and they did not do so. The Pentagon said it was working to ensure it received credit in the future for each unused ticket.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 251738.DTL
WHAT HAPPENED TO $1 TRILLION?
Though Defense has long been notorious for waste, recent government reports suggest the Pentagon's money management woes have reached astronomical proportions. A study by the Defense Department's inspector general found that the Pentagon couldn't properly account for more than a trillion dollars in monies spent. A GAO report found Defense inventory systems so lax that the U.S. Army lost track of 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units.
And before the Iraq war, when military leaders were scrambling to find enough chemical and biological warfare suits to protect U.S. troops, the department was caught selling these suits as surplus on the Internet "for pennies on the dollar," a GAO official said.
Given these glaring gaps in the management of a Pentagon budget that is approaching $400 billion, the coming debate is shaping up as a bid to gain the high ground in the battle against waste, fraud and abuse.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/01/ ... 5985.shtml
More money for the Pentagon, CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales reports, while its own auditors admit the military cannot account for 25 percent of what it spends.
"According to some estimates we cannot track $2.3 trillion in transactions," Rumsfeld admitted.
$2.3 trillion — that's $8,000 for every man, woman and child in America. To understand how the Pentagon can lose track of trillions, consider the case of one military accountant who tried to find out what happened to a mere $300 million.
"We know it's gone. But we don't know what they spent it on," said Jim Minnery, Defense Finance and Accounting Service.
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/09/us/na ... ckets.html
The Defense Department spent an estimated $100 million for airline tickets that were not used over a six-year period and failed to seek refunds even though the tickets were reimbursable, congressional investigators say. The department compounded the problem by reimbursing employee claims for tickets bought by the Pentagon, the investigators said. The General Accounting Office issued the findings in two reports on the Pentagon's lack of control over airline travel, copies of which The Associated Press obtained. The office concluded that the waste, from 1997 to 2003, went undetected because the department relied on individuals to report the unused tickets, and they did not do so. The Pentagon said it was working to ensure it received credit in the future for each unused ticket.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... 251738.DTL
WHAT HAPPENED TO $1 TRILLION?
Though Defense has long been notorious for waste, recent government reports suggest the Pentagon's money management woes have reached astronomical proportions. A study by the Defense Department's inspector general found that the Pentagon couldn't properly account for more than a trillion dollars in monies spent. A GAO report found Defense inventory systems so lax that the U.S. Army lost track of 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units.
And before the Iraq war, when military leaders were scrambling to find enough chemical and biological warfare suits to protect U.S. troops, the department was caught selling these suits as surplus on the Internet "for pennies on the dollar," a GAO official said.
Given these glaring gaps in the management of a Pentagon budget that is approaching $400 billion, the coming debate is shaping up as a bid to gain the high ground in the battle against waste, fraud and abuse.
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
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anyhoo...
ive never had medical insurance. i just pray that God will look after me.
take a good look
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hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Were number 1!
Were number 1!
Were number 1!
instead of on god we trust this shoudl be the motto on our cash:
america: strong on defense, screw you if you get sick....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
and some people reach their 70s without the use of any prescription medicines of any kind, are as fit as they can be and discover they have a brain tumour. but thank fuck theyre dead within a month so theyre not a monetary drain on society.
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lie beside me
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people who take toxins and develop a disease or illness, i see no problem helping the people who take care of their health first.
personnal accountability, i like it, some do not.
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
premiums and other costs like prescriptions go up year after year regardless of a person's diet
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
that is a great statement, +1
Godfather.
Amen and Amen. We need to go back to a time when we actually paid for services rendered with actual money that we actually earned. The bureaucracy of employee health benefits, HMO's, and government services have completely removed all market forces from health care. What did we think was going to happen?
The has been ramping up for decades and no one party or entity is completely to blame.
Food, clothing and shelter are all equally (if not more important) than health care for our well-being yet we trust those things to the marketplace. Why is health care any different? Insurance should only be necessary for extreme and unexpected scenarios not everyday care.
And yes "health care" is not the same as "health insurance". This should be blindingly obvious to everyone but I'd say 95% of people in Washington don't see any difference so divorced are they from reality.
6/30/98 Minneapolis, 10/8/00 East Troy (Brrrr!), 6/16/03 St. Paul, 6/27/06 St. Paul
How much does a family of 4 spend on food in a week between groceries and eating out, lunches, etc.? I'm going to guess that it's around $150 at least. That's a lot of money. Why don't we have everyone covered by food insurance? Shouldn't food be a basic right....after all, you can't live without it.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
aah viagra. a guy cant get it up and the medical research industry amps up to fix the problem cause as we all know male penetration is the be all and end all of the sexual experience. :P
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
This was for the so called Cold War that really never existed.
from the encarta encyclopedia:
G The CIA under President Reagan
President Reagan made good on his promise to rebuild the CIA and secured a major expansion in the budget and personnel of the agency. (The CIA budget was a secret until 1997, when it was officially revealed to be $26.6 billion. Rough estimates suggest that the agency’s budget was about $20 billion in 1981, and that it reached a Cold War high of about $36 billion at the end of the 1980s.) Reagan named CIA veteran William Casey as the agency’s director, and included him in the Cabinet where he became a key presidential advisor. Reagan relied heavily on Casey and the CIA to lead his campaign to end what he called the “evil empire” of Soviet Communism. At Reagan’s direction, the CIA created reports that exaggerated the economic and military threat presented by the Soviet Union. The distorted estimates helped Reagan persuade Congress to approve massive funding for the Strategic Defense Initiative (SDI)—a system of space-based defenses against nuclear attack. The Soviet economy, already hobbled by chronic problems, was too weak to support a Soviet military effort to match SDI.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Do you include coffee as grounds for denying someone medical care? Do they qualify for life in your profit making selection process (picture the ramp at Auschwitz) - which benefits nobody except the medical industry - or are people who drink coffee to be flushed down the toilet like everybody else who doesn't pass muster in your scheme of things?
Reagan should have been tarred and feathered, beaten like a rabid dog, and then burned in a trash bin.
Just my humble opinion.
lawsuits are NOT why YOUR health insurance is so expensive. that is why the DOCTORS' LIABILITY INSURANCE IS SO EXPENSIVE!" it does not directly influence your premiums so stop saying that it does. doctors can charge only what medicare allows them to charge for all procedures. medicare sets the groundrules that all health insurance companies play by in regard to costs and what they will pay for things. increasing doctor's premiums for liability insurance is not passed on to the patients, but the docs have to see more patients to make up for the loss of money for liability ins premiums. they can not directly affect your premiums and arbitrarily charge you 3 times the medicare allowable charge to make up for it, so it is not affecting YOUR health insurance premiums. please get your facts straight before you post this crap on here.
i believe tort reform is bullshit. read my example in the other thread. mistakes are made by doctors all the time, and i think a $250,000 cap on damages for such egregious and dubious errors as amputating the wrong limb, implanting an organ with the wrong blood type, removing the wron kidney, and leaving surgical tools inside a patient that can cause years and years of pain and suffering, lost function, and mental anguish should be awarded what a jury feels as appropriate. not some arbitrary amount that some piece of legislation says.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
how would you distinguish between who took care of themselves and who took toxins? will everyone and their eating habits have to be monitored? will you set up an appointment for a doctor's visit then they send investigators to find out how you live? i just don't see how you would find out who did what in order to qualify for coverage or not
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
1. the dr. would make the distinction, based on the numerous tests available.
2. only people on gov't healthcare would be monitored.
3. a yearly physical would be required in order to be covered under gov't health care.
yet again....i do not think an individual needs the federal government telling them how to live. i still have hope for common sense.
but, when you make frequent bad decisions that require you to extend your hand out, do not act surprised, when the other party requries you to improve on consistant bad choices.
no replies to this?? i did not think so....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."