Tom Delay: People Are Unemployed Because They Want To Be...

gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
edited March 2010 in A Moving Train
what an ass...the hammer is a joke... if most of the unemployed don't want to work, why are there lines out the door at job fairs and why are 3000 people applying for 50 positions at a company where i live?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/201003 ... ost/489050

Sam Stein – Sun Mar 7, 11:06 am ET
Former House Majority Leader Tom Delay called Sen. Jim Bunning (R-Ky.) "brave" on Sunday for launching a one-man filibuster of unemployment benefits, arguing that they dissuaded people from going out and finding work.

Appearing on CNN's "State of the Union," the Texas Republican said that Bunning's fiscal responsibility was commendable, even if his shenanigans (refusing to allow unemployment benefits to be considered by unanimous consent) nearly brought the Senate to a halt.

"Nothing would have happened if the Democrats had just paid for [the benefits]," Delay said. "People would have gotten their unemployment compensation. I think Bunning was brave in standing up there and taking it on by himself."

Asked whether it was bad strategy to make a budget stand on a $10 billion extension of unemployment (as opposed to, say, the Bush's $720 billion prescription drug package), Delay insisted that if the PR had been done right, Bunning would have been applauded. Helping the unemployed with federal assistance, he said, was unsound policy.

"You know," Delay said, "there is an argument to be made that these extensions, the unemployment benefits keeps people from going and finding jobs. In fact there are some studies that have been done that show people stay on unemployment compensation and they don't look for a job until two or three weeks before they know the benefits are going to run out.

Host Candy Crowley: Congressman, that's a hard sell, isn't it?

Delay: it's the truth.

Crowley: People are unemployed because they want to be?

Delay: well, it is the truth. and people in the real world know it. And they have friends and they know it. Sure, we ought to be helping people that are unemployed find a job, but we also have budget considerations that are incredibly important, especially now that Obama is spending monies that we don't have.
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    not to be a jerk on this but there a lot of people that collect unemployment or any other benefit they can get their hand's on just so they don't have to work and that really sucks for the people that want to work even to the point of taking a less paying job in a position they are over qualified for, but to take the unemployment benefit extension from us is just stupid, maybe this guy would like to give up his job and stand in line.

    Godfather.
  • I'm not saying this applied to all people, but I do know people who have no incentive to look for a job because they keep getting unemployement checks week after week. I kind of agree with this to some degree.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    i would be willing to bet you anything that the vast majority of those unemployed, with mortgages to pay, credit card debt, and medical bills are shitting themselves wondering how they care going to pay for all of that, and not sitting on their asses waiting for their government checks... i am glad i am not as cynical as you all appear to be.
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • I'm also 24, so the people I am referring to do not have those things you list. I am not cynical, I see it in my everyday life. I am sure the people who cannot live off the govt checks with kids, mortgage, etc are actively looking obviously. But when you know many people who do nothing and don't care it gets frustrating, when I have to get up every day.
  • flywallyflyflywallyfly Posts: 1,453
    Compassionate conservatism. :?
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    I'm also 24, so the people I am referring to do not have those things you list. I am not cynical, I see it in my everyday life. I am sure the people who cannot live off the govt checks with kids, mortgage, etc are actively looking obviously. But when you know many people who do nothing and don't care it gets frustrating, when I have to get up every day.
    i see your point. i'm 34 and the people i know who are unemployed do have those things. mortgages, 2nd mortgages, car loans, kid's educations to pay for. yeah they are screwed, but sponging off the system they are not.. how can they find work when nobody is hiring? to change fields and find a job you have to have experience, but how can you get experience if nobody is hiring? its a horrible cycle...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • markin ballmarkin ball Posts: 1,075
    There is no easy answer and there will be abuses with any system but I personally know a couple of people right now that are collecting unemployment checks instead of working jobs they are "overqualified" for.
    "First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win ."

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  • stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 3,381
    I'm also 24, so the people I am referring to do not have those things you list. I am not cynical, I see it in my everyday life. I am sure the people who cannot live off the govt checks with kids, mortgage, etc are actively looking obviously. But when you know many people who do nothing and don't care it gets frustrating, when I have to get up every day.
    i see your point. i'm 34 and the people i know who are unemployed do have those things. mortgages, 2nd mortgages, car loans, kid's educations to pay for. yeah they are screwed, but sponging off the system they are not.. how can they find work when nobody is hiring? to change fields and find a job you have to have experience, but how can you get experience if nobody is hiring? its a horrible cycle...
    and add to that cycle, more jobs being outsourced, what is the solution?
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    I'm also 24, so the people I am referring to do not have those things you list. I am not cynical, I see it in my everyday life. I am sure the people who cannot live off the govt checks with kids, mortgage, etc are actively looking obviously. But when you know many people who do nothing and don't care it gets frustrating, when I have to get up every day.
    i see your point. i'm 34 and the people i know who are unemployed do have those things. mortgages, 2nd mortgages, car loans, kid's educations to pay for. yeah they are screwed, but sponging off the system they are not.. how can they find work when nobody is hiring? to change fields and find a job you have to have experience, but how can you get experience if nobody is hiring? its a horrible cycle...
    and add to that cycle, more jobs being outsourced, what is the solution?
    if i knew the solution i would be running for office to try to fix it.

    i suppose a start would be to get these infrastructure projects going, and the wind and solar power jobs that have been proposed.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    I do not know a bunch of unemployed people, but of the few I have known, both of them weren't in any hurry to look for a job as long as they had the unemployment. In fact, both waited until it ran out to start looking.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    know1 wrote:
    I do not know a bunch of unemployed people, but of the few I have known, both of them weren't in any hurry to look for a job as long as they had the unemployment. In fact, both waited until it ran out to start looking.

    I was unemployed once 12 years ago for 5 weeks and in order to get an unemployment check here in the DC metro area. I had to check into the office twice a week and had to have been on at least 2 interviews with verification or no checks were sent out. You also could NOT work part time while receiving an unemployment check or else you would have a court date and faced a severe fine $550 I think. I'm sure some take advantage of the system but for many it's a needed asset in today's bleak employment situations.

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  • aerialaerial Posts: 2,319
    The big question would be is why did the senate refuse to fund the extension...there is plenty of stimulus money that has not been spend from what I hear......I have to agree with the others on here ....I also know of people that are riding it out...
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  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    I'm also 24, so the people I am referring to do not have those things you list. I am not cynical, I see it in my everyday life. I am sure the people who cannot live off the govt checks with kids, mortgage, etc are actively looking obviously. But when you know many people who do nothing and don't care it gets frustrating, when I have to get up every day.

    I agree with this to some extent. Though I think it ultimately comes down to the individual case. In England, if you're unemployed you get your Dole check every two weeks + you get your rent paid. I knew some loser who lived just across the street from his parents who spent every day sitting on his arse drinking beer for about 10 years. He also used to deliberately aggravate his neighbours by pounding on the floor and causing a shit load of trouble for the other people in the building. The way I see it, he should not have been entitled to his own flat, but should have been made to live with his parents.
    People who get handed money and a place to live for free, and who then abuse that privilege, should be kicked on the street.
  • StarfallStarfall Posts: 548
    Maybe someone should remind Tom Delay that the reason he's unemployed is because he was indicted.
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  • OffHeGoes29OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    There is always work, its just a matter if it pays more than unemployment.

    I'm sure there are some people who don't want to be on unemployment forever, but anyone I've ever known who's been on unemployment, milked it to some degree.
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  • CosmoCosmo Posts: 12,225
    Godfather. wrote:
    not to be a jerk on this but there a lot of people that collect unemployment or any other benefit they can get their hand's on just so they don't have to work and that really sucks for the people that want to work even to the point of taking a less paying job in a position they are over qualified for, but to take the unemployment benefit extension from us is just stupid, maybe this guy would like to give up his job and stand in line.

    Godfather.
    ...
    You know who a lot of those 'unemployed leeches'... that you show so much callous distain for... are?
    War veterans.
    Yes, war verterans... young men and women who fought the war you support... that came home and cannot find a job here.
    ...
    fuck 'em... right?
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Interesting that most people agree that the people they have witnessed do take advantage of the system. So why when someone tries to stop that, does it cause such an uproar?

    I'm not in favor of continually extending the unemployment benefits due to the so-called severity of the so-called recession. Let the people who do not work just transfer over to welfare.
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    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • youngsteryoungster Boston Posts: 6,576
    I am unemployed and would love to get a job. I am in construction and there are just no jobs to be had at this time. I don't like being unemployed. I am losing $1600/month by not working. I have 2 small kids and am on a shoestring budget to support them. I can't get back to work soon enough.
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  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    edited March 2010
    i saw some guy on glenn beck say similar things months ago, forgot his name, he's the black guy that used to be on bulls and bears a lot.

    probably some people do take advantage of it but there just aren't many jobs. my parents live in virginia where the unemployment is 1 of the lowest in the country, 6%. my dad said there was a job fair the other week and hundreds of people showed up, so many they had to turn people away and not allow them in. i think to a lot they see it as they can either get a shitty job paying less or practically the same they are getting on unemployment so they figure they will wait to find a better job.

    like i said, i'm sure there are lots of people not looking for work but it's ignorant to assume everyone is doing that
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  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I'd normally say McDonald's is hiring as they pay something like $8 an hour, however after visiting a few over the last few months I'm guessing you wouldn't have a chance at a job unless you spoke Spanish.

    How things have changed.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    unsung wrote:
    I'd normally say McDonald's is hiring as they pay something like $8 an hour, however after visiting a few over the last few months I'm guessing you wouldn't have a chance at a job unless you spoke Spanish.

    How things have changed.
    yeah kinda like lawn care jobs right?

    i don't know where you are going but there are plenty of english speakers and bilingual folks working at the mcdonalds' in my area...
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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    i would be willing to bet you anything that the vast majority of those unemployed, with mortgages to pay, credit card debt, and medical bills are shitting themselves wondering how they care going to pay for all of that, and not sitting on their asses waiting for their government checks... i am glad i am not as cynical as you all appear to be.

    not cynical just realistic, I agree with you about the people that have mortgage's and credit card debt
    and some people just don't want unemployment checks but then there are some people that will do anything not to work.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Cosmo wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    not to be a jerk on this but there a lot of people that collect unemployment or any other benefit they can get their hand's on just so they don't have to work and that really sucks for the people that want to work even to the point of taking a less paying job in a position they are over qualified for, but to take the unemployment benefit extension from us is just stupid, maybe this guy would like to give up his job and stand in line.

    Godfather.
    ...
    You know who a lot of those 'unemployed leeches'... that you show so much callous distain for... are?
    War veterans.
    Yes, war verterans... young men and women who fought the war you support... that came home and cannot find a job here.
    ...
    fuck 'em... right?

    you have got to be kidding me right ! don't add your bullshit to my post,I have family and friend's in the military mother fucker save your bullshit for the someone else.

    Godfather.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Godfather. wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    not to be a jerk on this but there a lot of people that collect unemployment or any other benefit they can get their hand's on just so they don't have to work and that really sucks for the people that want to work even to the point of taking a less paying job in a position they are over qualified for, but to take the unemployment benefit extension from us is just stupid, maybe this guy would like to give up his job and stand in line.

    Godfather.
    ...
    You know who a lot of those 'unemployed leeches'... that you show so much callous distain for... are?
    War veterans.
    Yes, war verterans... young men and women who fought the war you support... that came home and cannot find a job here.
    ...
    fuck 'em... right?

    you have got to be kidding me right ! don't add your bullshit to my post,I have family and friend's in the military mother fucker save your bullshit for the someone else.

    Godfather.
    hey Godfather, do you have evidence that it is easy for the vets to find jobs? i read an article a few months ago on yahoo.com stating that vets are having just as much trouble finding work as those that have been laid off. nobody is hiring anybody, after being on here for 8 years i know that cosmo usually knows what he is talking about...so chill out..

    i think cosmo was saying that "that is grattitude for ya" when these vets risk their lives overseas and are repaid by not getting hired by anyone back at home...
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    I never said anything about Vet's..my wife's is a vet, it looked like he was twisting my post around but
    yeah your right, I'm chillin.

    I wasn't pointing out any group of people as lazy but if you think that they're not out there you not looking hard enough and as I said in my first post I think it would be stupid to take away and unemployment bennies
    at this point,there are too many hard working people that have paid their due's in life then got the rug pulled out from underneath them and they need help.

    Godfather.
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Godfather. wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    Godfather. wrote:
    not to be a jerk on this but there a lot of people that collect unemployment or any other benefit they can get their hand's on just so they don't have to work and that really sucks for the people that want to work even to the point of taking a less paying job in a position they are over qualified for, but to take the unemployment benefit extension from us is just stupid, maybe this guy would like to give up his job and stand in line.

    Godfather.
    ...
    You know who a lot of those 'unemployed leeches'... that you show so much callous distain for... are?
    War veterans.
    Yes, war verterans... young men and women who fought the war you support... that came home and cannot find a job here.
    ...
    fuck 'em... right?

    you have got to be kidding me right ! don't add your bullshit to my post,I have family and friend's in the military mother fucker save your bullshit for the someone else.

    Godfather.
    http://www.bnd.com/2010/03/12/1171203/u ... young.html

    Unemployment higher among young war veterans
    Associated Press Writer - The Associated Press

    WASHINGTON -- The Labor Department says the unemployment rate for young Iraq and Afghanistan veterans was 21.1 percent last year.

    That's well above the 16.6 percent jobless rate for non-veterans of the same ages, 18 to 24.

    Difficulty finding work can make the adjustment to life back home even more challenging for war veterans. Some have struggled with addictions and homelessness.

    For veterans of all ages from the recent wars, the unemployment rate was 10.2 percent.

    The national unemployment rate last year was 9.3 percent, the highest since 1983.
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  • Heatherj43Heatherj43 Posts: 1,254
    Oh well, Delay has always been an ass! Who cares what what he says.
    He's a thief anyway and then he has the balls to talk about who is collecting money. He has no problem taking money that he isn't suppose to.

    Garbage in, garbage out.
    Save room for dessert!
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 23,303
    Heatherj43 wrote:
    Oh well, Delay has always been an ass! Who cares what what he says.
    He's a thief anyway and then he has the balls to talk about who is collecting money. He has no problem taking money that he isn't suppose to.

    Garbage in, garbage out.
    exactly.....isn't he unemployed by the way???
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  • weenieweenie Posts: 1,623
    hey Godfather, do you have evidence that it is easy for the vets to find jobs? i read an article a few months ago on yahoo.com stating that vets are having just as much trouble finding work as those that have been laid off. nobody is hiring anybody, after being on here for 8 years i know that cosmo usually knows what he is talking about...so chill out..

    i think cosmo was saying that "that is grattitude for ya" when these vets risk their lives overseas and are repaid by not getting hired by anyone back at home...[/quote]


    I was out of work - permanent work - for two years. And yes, I was on unemployment. I can tell you from personal experience that you can live only the simplest of lives while on it. ie., no cable tv, no internet service, no cell phone service etc. I don't know how anybody with a mortgage and car payment, plus a family survives on it.

    That said, Vets get first consideration for all Federal government positions and right now there are literally thousands of opportunities out there. Yes, you may have to move, but Federal positions offer decent pay for the most part and fantastic benefits - which is worth a lot if you have a family.

    I know for a fact that Vets ARE getting first consideration for these positions because hiring managers have told me so. I'm highly qualified for what I do, and never got to the interview stage due to priorities for veterans. I'm NOT saying they don't deserve first consideration. I am saying that there are some damn good jobs out there just waiting for a vet to apply.

    If Vets are having a hard time finding work, they aren't looking in the right places. Tell your veteran friends to go online to JobsUSA. Yes, it can take hours to fill out your first application, but if they really want to work, they'll do it.
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