UN envoy on Gaza They're living in a kind of open-air prison

Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
edited March 2010 in A Moving Train
video at the site
http://www.uruknet.info/index.php?p=m63 ... size=1&l=e

John Holmes, the United Nation's humanitarian chief, has revisited the Gaza Strip, a year after Israel's assault on the territory ended.

He told Al Jazeera that it was disappointing how little has changed since the war and that there has been no real possibility of reconstruction, mainly because of Israel's siege of the Strip.

He said the blockade resulted in misery for the Palestinians.

"They're living in a kind of open-air prison. They're still suffering from this kind of collective punishment they've been suffering for three years now."

After also visiting the occupied West Bank, Holmes said the situation was not good there either, with the combination of settlements and the separation wall causing hardships for the Palestinians.

"We need to tackle all those problems as well if we can.
don't compete; coexist

what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
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  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    still waiting for your Cyprus post...
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    still waiting for your Cyprus post...


    and i'm waiting for yours....
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    u said u care about the bad things in the world,about human rights..
    so Cyprus thread..waiting...there are not only palestines have walls in their country..
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    u said u care about the bad things in the world,about human rights..
    so Cyprus thread..waiting...there are not only palestines have walls in their country..


    and i post of other countries, however you only seem vocal in threads about a certain country.....hmmmm

    it seems odd you are so demanding of me to start a thread about something you never post about, either
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    u said u care about the bad things in the world,about human rights..
    so Cyprus thread..waiting...there are not only palestines have walls in their country..


    and i post of other countries, however you only seem vocal in threads about a certain country.....hmmmm

    it seems odd you are so demanding of me to start a thread about something you never post about, either
    couse i care about music,no politics..i will never start a political thread,its useless,told u again if i want to fuck my life i do it my self ,no need politics to do it for me..
    u post 10 threads 9 of them is against israel..no matter if its true or correct (i think yes israel goverment threat palaistines bad) what u post i told u , that u do it couse u hate israel,u said NO..u care about all,human rights,bad things in the world...
    prove it...Cyprus...
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    edited March 2010
    u said u care about the bad things in the world,about human rights..
    so Cyprus thread..waiting...there are not only palestines have walls in their country..


    and i post of other countries, however you only seem vocal in threads about a certain country.....hmmmm

    it seems odd you are so demanding of me to start a thread about something you never post about, either
    couse i care about music,no politics..i will never start a political thread,its useless,told u again if i want to fuck my life i do it my self ,no need politics to do it for me..
    u post 10 threads 9 of them is against israel..no matter if its true or correct (i think yes israel goverment threat palaistines bad) what u post i told u , that u do it couse u hate israel,u said NO..u care about all,human rights,bad things in the world...
    prove it...Cyprus...


    if you don't care about politics why do you feel the need to post over here?

    i have proven it by the numerous threads on several different countries throughout the years. and why do i need to prove something to someone who admits he doesn't even care about the subject?? using your logic i can easily say you only post in these threads and no others because you hate arabs :roll: prove it....cyprus or anywhere

    and do you have an opinion on what the UN envoy said or do you just want to continue to derail my thread?
    Post edited by Pepe Silvia on
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • yosiyosi NYC Posts: 3,069
    The man has a point. For someone claiming to be motivated by a blind passion for human rights your focus is astonishingly narrow.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    yosi wrote:
    The man has a point. For someone claiming to be motivated by a blind passion for human rights your focus is astonishingly narrow.

    Almost like a microcosm of the UN!
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    oh dear ... has it come to this!?? ... :roll: ... really, i thought the maturity was higher here ...
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    polaris_x wrote:
    oh dear ... has it come to this!?? ... :roll: ... really, i thought the maturity was higher here ...

    :lol: True to form, polaris selectively pipes up. Where are you when someone calls us "fucking morons"?
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    :lol: True to form, polaris selectively pipes up. Where are you when someone calls us "fucking morons"?

    what are you getting at? ... people spew all kinds of shit here ... from both sides ...

    the posts i generally respond to are the ones that call people paranoid or kooky ... it's a little bit different than the name calling shit that goes on ...
  • rebornFixerrebornFixer Posts: 4,901
    polaris_x wrote:
    :lol: True to form, polaris selectively pipes up. Where are you when someone calls us "fucking morons"?

    what are you getting at? ... people spew all kinds of shit here ... from both sides ...

    the posts i generally respond to are the ones that call people paranoid or kooky ... it's a little bit different than the name calling shit that goes on ...

    Fair enough, dude ... Not sure what you found particularly immature in this thread, relative to everything else that goes on.
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    couse i care about music,no politics..i will never start a political thread,its useless,told u again if i want to fuck my life i do it my self ,no need politics to do it for me..
    u post 10 threads 9 of them is against israel..no matter if its true or correct (i think yes israel goverment threat palaistines bad) what u post i told u , that u do it couse u hate israel,u said NO..u care about all,human rights,bad things in the world...
    prove it...Cyprus...


    if you don't care about politics why do you feel the need to post over here?

    i have proven it by the numerous threads on several different countries throughout the years. and why do i need to prove something to someone who admits he doesn't even care about it??
    i care about peace..and hate dont help...thats my point and i know u get it,couse u seem smart guy..and u are stack to israel and u know it...and the funny is that what u write are most of them true...the ones who has the power do the same all the time,in all history of the world...Isrealian goverment treat palestines like dogs..this dont mean that someone is from israel is a bad person...or someone like me believes thats where is fire their smoke too must be a fan of israelians
    .i see bad and i call it...dont see or ask whats the nationality...
    dont have to prove to me anything,,u have to prove of what u say..u care..right?
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    yosi wrote:
    The man has a point. For someone claiming to be motivated by a blind passion for human rights your focus is astonishingly narrow.

    Almost like a microcosm of the UN!


    or a description of every single person in this thread, including yourself ;)

    now, please stop derailing my thread
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Fair enough, dude ... Not sure what you found particularly immature in this thread, relative to everything else that goes on.

    the part that somehow pepe has to post about other places in the world (even tho he has) to prove he cares about human rights ... what's the point of that? ... especially to appease someone who admittedly says he doesn't care about politics ... which leads me to believe he's just here to stir shit ... which sometimes isn't a bad thing i suppose but in this case ...
  • yosiyosi NYC Posts: 3,069
    It stopped being your thread the minute you posted it to a public board. Unless of course you believe that discourse should only be allowed to follow the lines you lay down for it. I think there's a phrase for that...cencorship maybe?
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    couse i care about music,no politics..i will never start a political thread,its useless,told u again if i want to fuck my life i do it my self ,no need politics to do it for me..
    u post 10 threads 9 of them is against israel..no matter if its true or correct (i think yes israel goverment threat palaistines bad) what u post i told u , that u do it couse u hate israel,u said NO..u care about all,human rights,bad things in the world...
    prove it...Cyprus...


    if you don't care about politics why do you feel the need to post over here?

    i have proven it by the numerous threads on several different countries throughout the years. and why do i need to prove something to someone who admits he doesn't even care about it??
    i care about peace..and hate dont help...thats my point and i know u get it,couse u seem smart guy..and u are stack to israel and u know it...and the funny is that what u write are most of them true...the ones who has the power do the same all the time,in all history of the world...Isrealian goverment treat palestines like dogs..this dont mean that someone is from israel is a bad person...or someone like me believes thats where is fire their smoke too must be a fan of israelians
    .i see bad and i call it...dont see or ask whats the nationality...
    dont have to prove to me anything,,u have to prove of what u say..u care..right?


    and when the hell did i ever say every single person from israel is a bad person?????

    i have started numerous threads about many different countries over the years here however, my threads concerning israel are for current news and things being done with MY tax dollars

    it just seems disnegenuious to demand i start a thread about cyprus when you are holding me to a certain standard while excusing every single other person here from it. does yosi start any threads here that aren't pro-israel or attacking a critic of israel? does rebornfixer start any threads about human rights abuses in any countries? and yet you only seem to have a problem with my posts....

    now, back to what the UN envoy said......
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • yosiyosi NYC Posts: 3,069
    Polaris, please. It is obvious to anyone with eyes, simply from glancing at the board, that Pepe is obsessed (yes, obsessed) with a single issue, despite his claims to the contrary.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    yosi wrote:
    It stopped being your thread the minute you posted it to a public board. Unless of course you believe that discourse should only be allowed to follow the lines you lay down for it. I think there's a phrase for that...cencorship maybe?

    i didn't make the rules, yosi, and for this board they say you can't derail a thread, take it up with kat and pearl jam
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    i do good to your thread by posting,is all time in the new posts..and just one thing...hate is word i dont have in me..for sure not arabs,like the 2 palastines families in the corner of my street that my family helps with food and money couse they came to Greece for a better life....thats im trying to tell u all this time..do your post,u are right...just dont provoke hate..and ofcourse u are not the only one..the israelian parts provoke it..its a circle..dont u get it?
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    yosi wrote:
    Polaris, please. It is obvious to anyone with eyes, simply from glancing at the board, that Pepe is obsessed (yes, obsessed) with a single issue, despite his claims to the contrary.

    are you serious? ... do a search on your own username and see where most of your posts are on ...
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    yosi wrote:
    It stopped being your thread the minute you posted it to a public board. Unless of course you believe that discourse should only be allowed to follow the lines you lay down for it. I think there's a phrase for that...cencorship maybe?

    maybe you should read up, yosi

    viewtopic.php?f=4&t=91525

    4. Please respect topic integrity by not derailing discussions from the original poster’s intent (OP). You can begin a new topic of your own in the appropriate forum.

    11. Gossip, not ok. Please don't do it.

    13. If you have a disagreement with someone, (and it happens occasionally) please take it to Private Message to resolve it. Arguments are removed or locked...it poisons the atmosphere. Try thinking of the bbs as if you were at a show. If the people next to you are fighting, it interferes with your enjoyment of the show.
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    polaris_x wrote:
    Fair enough, dude ... Not sure what you found particularly immature in this thread, relative to everything else that goes on.

    the part that somehow pepe has to post about other places in the world (even tho he has) to prove he cares about human rights ... what's the point of that? ... especially to appease someone who admittedly says he doesn't care about politics ... which leads me to believe he's just here to stir shit ... which sometimes isn't a bad thing i suppose but in this case ...
    pepe post himself that care about ,when i post that he hates israel..this happens to palaistine isnt the best in the world..but its not the israelians the only evil in this planet...just admit that!!!
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    edited March 2010
    polaris_x wrote:
    Fair enough, dude ... Not sure what you found particularly immature in this thread, relative to everything else that goes on.

    the part that somehow pepe has to post about other places in the world (even tho he has) to prove he cares about human rights ... what's the point of that? ... especially to appease someone who admittedly says he doesn't care about politics ... which leads me to believe he's just here to stir shit ... which sometimes isn't a bad thing i suppose but in this case ...
    pepe post himself that care about ,when i post that he hates israel..this happens to palaistine isnt the best in the world..but its not the israelians the only evil in this planet...just admit that!!!

    you want me to admit a claim i never even made is false....? :roll: sure ok, israel isn't the only evil on the planet, don't let the fact that i never even implied this distract you....

    are ya happy now? can we get back to the point of the OP now?
    Post edited by Pepe Silvia on
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • yosiyosi NYC Posts: 3,069
    Yes, because people on this this board really have so much respect for the rules. And yeah, Polaris, Israel is my big issue. I've never claimed otherwise.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

  • Pepe SilviaPepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    edited March 2010
    yosi wrote:
    Yes, because people on this this board really have so much respect for the rules. And yeah, Polaris, Israel is my big issue. I've never claimed otherwise.


    my, such an astonishingly narrow focus.... :lol:
    Post edited by Pepe Silvia on
    don't compete; coexist

    what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?

    "I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama

    when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
    i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    btw Pepe,u are right that i mix your post,i just want to say my thoughts..we dont have the same opinion,but i really respect your passion about politics,i have other passion .and im really sorry..
    atleast we both love lost ;)
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 13,559
    btw Pepe,u are right that i mix your post,i just want to say my thoughts..we dont have the same opinion,but i really respect your passion about politics,i have other passion .and im really sorry..
    atleast we both love lost ;)

    sweet ... nothing like a good bitch session to sort things out! ... :lol:
  • dimitrispearljamdimitrispearljam Posts: 139,721
    polaris_x wrote:
    btw Pepe,u are right that i mix your post,i just want to say my thoughts..we dont have the same opinion,but i really respect your passion about politics,i have other passion .and im really sorry..
    atleast we both love lost ;)

    sweet ... nothing like a good bitch session to sort things out! ... :lol:
    sometimes is good to know where to stop and get if u do mistakes..+ im a sweet guy :roll:
    "...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
    "..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
    “..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
  • yosiyosi NYC Posts: 3,069
    An interesting perspective I think...

    Israel Apartheid Week: Hypocrisy and Betrayal

    This article by Israeli diplomat Ishmael Khaldi appears in the Open Forum section of the San Francisco Chronicle.

    For those who haven’t heard, the first week in March has been designated as Israel Apartheid Week by activists who are either ill intentioned or misinformed. On American campuses, organizing committees are planning happenings to once again castigate Israel as the lone responsible party for all that maligns the Middle East.

    Last year, at UC Berkeley, I had the opportunity to “dialogue” with some of the organizers of these events. My perspective is unique, both as the vice consul for Israel in San Francisco, and as a Bedouin and the highest-ranking Muslim representing the Israel in the United States. I was born into a Bedouin tribe in Northern Israel, one of 11 children, and began life as shepherd living in our family tent. I went on to serve in the Israeli border police, and later earned a master’s degree in political science from Tel Aviv University before joining the Israel Foreign Ministry.

    I am a proud Israeli - along with many other non-Jewish Israelis such as Druze, Bahai, Bedouin, Christians and Muslims, who live in one of the most culturally diversified societies and the only true democracy in the Middle East. Like America, Israeli society is far from perfect, but let us deals honestly. By any yardstick you choose - educational opportunity, economic development, women and gay’s rights, freedom of speech and assembly, legislative representation - Israel’s minorities fare far better than any other country in the Middle East

    So, I would like to share the following with organizers of Israel Apartheid week, for those of them who are open to dialogue and not blinded by a hateful ideology:

    You are part of the problem, not part of the solution: If you are really idealistic and committed to a better world, stop with the false rhetoric. We need moderate people to come together in good faith to help find the path to relieve the human suffering on both sides of the Israel-Palestinian conflict. Vilification and false labeling is a blind alley that is unjust and takes us nowhere.

    You deny Israel the fundamental right of every society to defend itself: You condemn Israel for building a security barrier to protect its citizens from suicide bombers and for striking at buildings from which missiles are launched at its cities - but you never offer an alternative. Aren’t you practicing yourself a deep form of racism by denying an entire society the right to defend itself?

    Your criticism is willfully hypocritical: Do Israel’s Arab citizens suffer from disadvantage? You better believe it. Do African Americans 10 minutes from the Berkeley campus suffer from disadvantage - you better believe it, too. So should we launch a Berkeley Apartheid Week, or should we seek real ways to better our societies and make opportunity more available.

    You are betraying the moderate Muslims and Jews who are working to achieve peace: Your radicalism is undermining the forces for peace in Israel and in the Palestinian territories. We are working hard to move toward a peace agreement that recognizes the legitimate rights of both Israel and the Palestinian people, and you are tearing down by falsely vilifying one side.

    To the organizers of Israel Apartheid Week I would like to say:

    If Israel were an apartheid state, I would not have been appointed here, nor would I have chosen to take upon myself this duty. There are many Arabs, both within Israel and in the Palestinian territories who have taken great courage to walk the path of peace. You should stand with us, rather than against us.

    Ishmael Khaldi is deputy consul general of Israel for the Pacific Northwest.
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane

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