Olympics - Own the Podium - Backfires
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Canada's drive for gold in the 2010 Winter Olympics appears to have backfired. Not only is the host country 4th overall in medals at the half-way point, they may have ticked off the very country they need for future success.
In several sports, including luge, American and Canadian athletes have shared training facilities in an effort to cut into some of the built in advantage enjoyed by European countries. According to Sandy Caligiore, spokesman for U.S.A. Luge, the U.S. and Canada have always made deals when either was hosting the Olympic Games. For example, when the Olympics were held in Lake Placid and Salt Lake City, the Canadian Luge team was given extra training time on the U.S. track. Canada did the same when the Olympics were held in Calgary.
But when the Canadian Olympic Committee launched the "Own the Podium" program all the deals went away. Canada spent an extra $113-million on the effort and decided it would maximize its home turf advantage. It would adhere to I.O.C. requirements, but no more.
After the death of Georgian luger Nodar Kumaritashvili during a practice run, much was made about the amount of training time Canada gave the rest of the field leading up to the Games. Caligiore says Canada gave competing nations exactly what the I.O.C. required. The lack of flexibility has upset some luge teams. As for the relationship between the U.S. and Canadian luge teams, Caligiore says it has been hurt, but it's too early to tell how badly.
In several sports, including luge, American and Canadian athletes have shared training facilities in an effort to cut into some of the built in advantage enjoyed by European countries. According to Sandy Caligiore, spokesman for U.S.A. Luge, the U.S. and Canada have always made deals when either was hosting the Olympic Games. For example, when the Olympics were held in Lake Placid and Salt Lake City, the Canadian Luge team was given extra training time on the U.S. track. Canada did the same when the Olympics were held in Calgary.
But when the Canadian Olympic Committee launched the "Own the Podium" program all the deals went away. Canada spent an extra $113-million on the effort and decided it would maximize its home turf advantage. It would adhere to I.O.C. requirements, but no more.
After the death of Georgian luger Nodar Kumaritashvili during a practice run, much was made about the amount of training time Canada gave the rest of the field leading up to the Games. Caligiore says Canada gave competing nations exactly what the I.O.C. required. The lack of flexibility has upset some luge teams. As for the relationship between the U.S. and Canadian luge teams, Caligiore says it has been hurt, but it's too early to tell how badly.
SHOW COUNT: (164) 1990's=3, 2000's=53, 2010/20's=108, US=118, CAN=15, Europe=20 ,New Zealand=4, Australia=5
Mexico=1, Colombia=1
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fucking bureaucrats ... i totally think the somewhat disappointing results is due to bad karma our bureaucrats created by doing shit like as well as other sports like speed skating ... our men long-track speed skaters used to train with shani davis until some suit decided it was a bad thing ...
fuck "own the podium" ...
On the lighter side of things, it wasn't a smart program to begin with, and most people agreed with that.
The restricted training complaints are BS. On the other hand we're tied for most golds :P
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SHOW COUNT: (164) 1990's=3, 2000's=53, 2010/20's=108, US=118, CAN=15, Europe=20 ,New Zealand=4, Australia=5
Mexico=1, Colombia=1
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Seriously! Bernard really choked the hell out of those last two ends. :?
if she was eating hot dogs, she would be blue in the face.
in the 10th, just smack the piss out of sweden's stone...they can't win with only one stone, down two
wtf was she thinking...
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Thanks a lot Gordo, making us look as arrogant as you.
Long live Beautiful BC!
2009 - Toronto
2010 - Buffalo
2011 - Toronto 1&2
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit
2016 - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Ottawa, Toronto 1
2018 - Fenway 1&2
2022 - Hamilton, Toronto
2023 - Chicago 1&2
2024 - Las Vegas 1&2
Really? Is that true or did you just make it up to try to strengthen your argument?
I've been trying to find out if it's accurate, and the only answer I keep getting is that there isn't, nor has there ever been, a "winner" of the Olympics.
It wouldn't even make sense if they used the medal count to establish an overall winner. Guys like Bode Miller and Apolo Ono can win several medals in different events, but they would be weighted the same as an entire hockey team that only wins one?
It doesn't make sense.
Really? Is that true or did you just make it up to try to strengthen your argument?
I've been trying to find out if it's accurate, and the only answer I keep getting is that there isn't, nor has there ever been, a "winner" of the Olympics.
It wouldn't even make sense if they used the medal count to establish an overall winner. Guys like Bode Miller and Apolo Ono can win several medals in different events, but they would be weighted the same as an entire hockey team that only wins one?
It doesn't make sense.[/quote
I can't actually find it anywhere, but I heard it on TV and the radio on different days throughout this week.
2009 - Toronto
2010 - Buffalo
2011 - Toronto 1&2
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit
2016 - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Ottawa, Toronto 1
2018 - Fenway 1&2
2022 - Hamilton, Toronto
2023 - Chicago 1&2
2024 - Las Vegas 1&2
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I don't see the IOC getting involved in setting criteria for who wins the olympics, they leave that up to individual countries to determine and many countries believe if you win the most gold you win. Somehow I think if the situation was reversed and we were ahead in total medals and you guys in Gold you'd claim victory. You can't have it both ways, but people want it both ways. For me I feel our olympic performance was a success, hell we're smaller (population wise) than the countries ahead of us and we're sitting 3rd.
On a side note, if we don't get the results in the hockey game we want tomorrow we'll still support our players, we may bitch and moan about what went wrong but we'll still support them.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Umm- I don't really care about claiming victory. I was just trying to figure out if what that other guy said was actually true, or if he just made it up... no need to get all defensive...
2009 - Toronto
2010 - Buffalo
2011 - Toronto 1&2
2013 - London, Pittsburgh, Buffalo
2014 - Cincinnati, St. Louis, Detroit
2016 - Ft. Lauderdale, Miami, Ottawa, Toronto 1
2018 - Fenway 1&2
2022 - Hamilton, Toronto
2023 - Chicago 1&2
2024 - Las Vegas 1&2
In some parts of the world it is true, depending I guess if your happy with second and thirds. Sorry that I sound defensive. But the real winners are the people of Vancouver and city, I suspect they will tourism go up after. Kudos to Vancouver, got off to a rocky start but really pulled it together in the end.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Last week my boyfriend and I were sitting at the beach in Tofino watching the waves roll in, the next morning we were up on the slopes getting some snowboarding in, and in between a nice drive through thick old growth forest.
Its awesome here! But we don't need a stupid arrogant slogan like "the best place on earth"... our old one was just fine, nice and subtle and true! That's politicians for you, especially our arrogant prick of a premier :roll:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/1002 ... y_newspage
VANCOUVER, B.C. - Canada is poised to establish a new personal best for Olympic gold medals Saturday, as well as a new record for most golds claimed by a country at its own Winter Games.
Friday's two-gold haul by short-track speedskater Charles Hamelin - one in the men's 500 metres, the other in the four-man 5,000-metre relay - lifted Canada's golden total to 10, and tied the record for the most won by a host country in the Winter Olympics.
The United States won 10 golds in Salt Lake City in 2002. Norway also won 10 in Lillehammer in 1994.
Canada has only ever won 10 Olympic golds once before - at the Summer Games in Los Angeles in 1984.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1218562 ... free_today
Pretty much just the US, Canada and Russia use the full medal table. The rest of the world ranks the medal standings by gold with silver and bronze as tiebreakers.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Personally, the "best place on earth" suits me fine...we're just not used to having such self-confidence. Like Haffajappa said, you can be at the beach and go skiing on the mountains in the same day...old growth forests, old wooden train trestles, beaches, eagles for neighbours, water to swim in, friendly people...like a million other places, it IS the best place on earth..
Yeah - and now we have 12 golds, the most a host country has ever won...cool!!!
Canada has clinched most golds won by any country for these Olympics. They have 12, Germany 10 and the US 9 with only 3 more golds left to be given out - men's curling, men's 50k cross country skiing and men's hockey.
It's been a great Olympics for both the U.S. and Canada.
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
So I think the title of this thread is really wrong at this point ...
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... wD9E4RJ900
- 8/28/98
- 9/2/00
- 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
- 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
- 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
- 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
- 8/2/07, 8/5/07
- 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
- 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
- 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
- 9/11/11, 9/12/11
- 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
Yay!!
Whatever the final outcome may be, and ignoring the continuous debate, I believe that Canada has done extremely well these Olympic games, and I am very proud of our athletes' accomplishments!! It has been a very exciting Olympics!
Well done!