Watching "HealthCare Summit"
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Pepe Silvia wrote:mb262200 wrote:Yes....i'm implying that you only listen when Obama speaks. I didn't get to watch it because I was working...but clearly the republicans must have had some good things to say besides "BS".
As far as Obama speaking too much....I can see that as a possibility. Word is that he took down all the historic pictures and paintings in the left wing of the White House and replaced them with pictures of himself.....very arrogant person.
because i'm such an Obama cheerleader, right? :roll: i didn't watch the whole thing, i saw some guy who was defending the insurance industry dance around the fact that they make money by denying people care. i saw a republican talk about it cutting medicare for the elderly and Obama reply it was only medicare advantage, which is medicare through private insurance where the government pays the insurance company to reduce the rates
not sure who told you that but i wouldn't put too much stock in anything else they say...i didn't see any pics of anyone on the walls. here is a brief video of the summit, early on it pans all the way around the room and i didn't see any pictures...other than the pan around the room the shot is a close up of whoever is speaking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwMeGzCaHbM
That's because the summit was at the Blair House not at the White House. Blair House is across the street. I think maybe what he is talking about is this.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203771904574175453455287432.htmlThats a lovely accent you have. New Jersey?
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aerial wrote:
So you can drain more tax dollars from the hard-working Americans , by collecting unemployment and surfing all summer instead of looking for a job. . . you seem so proud of yourself! It is the best time ever to be on unemployment because they keep sucking us working Americans dry by extending unemployment . Thanks buddy! Personally I could not live with that on my conscious.Cosmo wrote:
...mb262200 wrote:I'm saying if 40% of my check was taxed I wouldn't be able to support me and my family. My family comes first, if that makes me a bad person....so be it.
I believe in America also...The Land of Opportunity.
Sorry to hear you might be laid off. I guess that stimulus package isn't helping you out very much either.
Land Of Opportunity is right.
I ran the numbers and a lay-off doesn't look as bad as you want it to be. I'd get a sweet severence package that would include 6 months of full salary and continued Health Care Insurance. I've been socking away savings for a while and would be able to pay-off the balance of my mortgage and would own my house, outright, and would still have 2/3s of the savings in tact. My pension would be available to me, but I would be able to steer clear of it from my savings.
And here's the kicker... I would qualify for unemployment benefits. So, i would be able to sit on the beach and surf all Summer and you would be paying my bills.
So, see... it isn't the end of the world.
I don't believe you...if you lost your job (if you even have one) you'd happily take unemployment benefits...
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So you can drain more tax dollars from the hard-working Americans , by collecting unemployment and surfing all summer instead of looking for a job. . . you seem so proud of yourself! It is the best time ever to be on unemployment because they keep sucking us working Americans dry by extending unemployment . Thanks buddy! Personally I could not live with that on my conscious....
Land Of Opportunity is right.
I ran the numbers and a lay-off doesn't look as bad as you want it to be. I'd get a sweet severence package that would include 6 months of full salary and continued Health Care Insurance. I've been socking away savings for a while and would be able to pay-off the balance of my mortgage and would own my house, outright, and would still have 2/3s of the savings in tact. My pension would be available to me, but I would be able to steer clear of it from my savings.
And here's the kicker... I would qualify for unemployment benefits. So, i would be able to sit on the beach and surf all Summer and you would be paying my bills.
So, see... it isn't the end of the world.
I don't believe you...if you lost your job (if you even have one) you'd happily take unemployment benefits...
you teabaggers are all the same...me me me and screw you you you...[/quote]]
unemployment benefits are meant to get a person by as they look for employment...not so they can spend time sitting on there ass or surfing all summer....I am not against anyone getting unemployment as long as they are trying to help there selves.....yet I do feel any person who is collecting a "sweet"severence should not be Eligible .......hell I could get welfare if I like but I feel better about myself if I suport myself ....“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
unemployment benefits are meant to get a person by as they look for employment...not so they can spend time sitting on there ass or surfing all summer....I am not against anyone getting unemployment as long as they are trying to help there selves.....yet I do feel any person who is collecting a "sweet"severence should not be Eligible .......hell I could get welfare if I like but I feel better about myself if I suport myself ....
You have to try to get jobs, or you don't get your employment check.
Severance packages should have nothing to do with unemployment at all. So if you have some money in the bank you shouldn't get unemployment? Severance is your reward for working hard for your company. So should only poor people who lose their jobs get unemployment then?NERDS!0 -
aerial wrote:
So you can drain more tax dollars from the hard-working Americans , by collecting unemployment and surfing all summer instead of looking for a job. . . you seem so proud of yourself! It is the best time ever to be on unemployment because they keep sucking us working Americans dry by extending unemployment . Thanks buddy! Personally I could not live with that on my conscious.Cosmo wrote:
...mb262200 wrote:I'm saying if 40% of my check was taxed I wouldn't be able to support me and my family. My family comes first, if that makes me a bad person....so be it.
I believe in America also...The Land of Opportunity.
Sorry to hear you might be laid off. I guess that stimulus package isn't helping you out very much either.
Land Of Opportunity is right.
I ran the numbers and a lay-off doesn't look as bad as you want it to be. I'd get a sweet severence package that would include 6 months of full salary and continued Health Care Insurance. I've been socking away savings for a while and would be able to pay-off the balance of my mortgage and would own my house, outright, and would still have 2/3s of the savings in tact. My pension would be available to me, but I would be able to steer clear of it from my savings.
And here's the kicker... I would qualify for unemployment benefits. So, i would be able to sit on the beach and surf all Summer and you would be paying my bills.
So, see... it isn't the end of the world.
That's like complaining about people taking social security checks when they retire... we (who work) all pay taxes for everything from medicare, education, and unemployment). If I get laid off and take unemployment money for 6 months while lounging around, it's a fraction of a percentage of what I paid into the system for working the last 15+ years.My whole life
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yoke wrote:Pepe Silvia wrote:mb262200 wrote:Yes....i'm implying that you only listen when Obama speaks. I didn't get to watch it because I was working...but clearly the republicans must have had some good things to say besides "BS".
As far as Obama speaking too much....I can see that as a possibility. Word is that he took down all the historic pictures and paintings in the left wing of the White House and replaced them with pictures of himself.....very arrogant person.
because i'm such an Obama cheerleader, right? :roll: i didn't watch the whole thing, i saw some guy who was defending the insurance industry dance around the fact that they make money by denying people care. i saw a republican talk about it cutting medicare for the elderly and Obama reply it was only medicare advantage, which is medicare through private insurance where the government pays the insurance company to reduce the rates
not sure who told you that but i wouldn't put too much stock in anything else they say...i didn't see any pics of anyone on the walls. here is a brief video of the summit, early on it pans all the way around the room and i didn't see any pictures...other than the pan around the room the shot is a close up of whoever is speaking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwMeGzCaHbM
That's because the summit was at the Blair House not at the White House. Blair House is across the street. I think maybe what he is talking about is this.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970203771904574175453455287432.html
if that's what he's talking about him and his 'sources' are still full of shit. from your article:'The Obamas are sending ripples through the art world as they put the call out to museums, galleries and private collectors that they’d like to borrow modern art by African-American, Asian, Hispanic and female artists for the White House. In a sharp departure from the 19th-century still lifes, pastorals and portraits that dominate the White House’s public rooms, they are choosing bold, abstract art works......
Last week the first family installed seven works on loan from the Hirshhorn Museum and Sculpture Garden in Washington in the White House’s private residence, including “Sky Light” and “Watusi (Hard Edge),” a pair of blue and yellow abstracts by lesser-known African-American abstract artist Alma Thomas, acclaimed for her post-war paintings of geometric shapes in cheery colors.
The National Gallery of Art has loaned the family at least five works this year, including “Numerals, 0 through 9,” a lead relief sculpture by Jasper Johns, “Berkeley No. 52,” a splashy large-scale painting by Richard Diebenkorn, and a blood-red Edward Ruscha canvas featuring the words, “I think maybe I’ll…,” fitting for a president known for lengthy bouts of contemplation. The Jasper Johns sculpture was installed in the residence on Inauguration Day, along with modern works by Robert Rauschenberg and Louise Nevelson, also on loan from the National Gallery.'
where does it say he replaced them with nothing but pics of himself????don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
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...aerial wrote:So you can drain more tax dollars from the hard-working Americans , by collecting unemployment and surfing all summer instead of looking for a job. . . you seem so proud of yourself! It is the best time ever to be on unemployment because they keep sucking us working Americans dry by extending unemployment . Thanks buddy! Personally I could not live with that on my conscious.
Yeah... the only reason I probably wouldn't look for a job would be to just piss off you Tea Partiers so you can make more of those vastly entertaining signs.
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Oh and... thank you in advance for paying my electric bills so i can run the air conditioning all day to keep my cats all comfy while I'm out at Huntington Beach, catching some tasty barrels.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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Cosmo wrote:
...aerial wrote:So you can drain more tax dollars from the hard-working Americans , by collecting unemployment and surfing all summer instead of looking for a job. . . you seem so proud of yourself! It is the best time ever to be on unemployment because they keep sucking us working Americans dry by extending unemployment . Thanks buddy! Personally I could not live with that on my conscious.
Yeah... the only reason I probably wouldn't look for a job would be to just piss off you Tea Partiers so you can make more of those vastly entertaining signs.
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Oh and... thank you in advance for paying my electric bills so i can run the air conditioning all day to keep my cats all comfy while I'm out at Huntington Beach, catching some tasty barrels.
I don't care if you collect unemployment. You paid in to it so go ahead and use it. But with all these lay offs going on it still PROVES the point that the Stimulus package was a waist and didn't do shit for employment in this country, niether will the jobs bill. But while you're out there catching them waves on unemployment you just keep on supporting all this money spending for jobs.....makes a real lot of fucking sense. I'm sure your kids will really appreciate it.0 -
mb262200 wrote:
I don't care if you collect unemployment. You paid in to it so go ahead and use it. But with all these lay offs going on it still PROVES the point that the Stimulus package was a waist and didn't do shit for employment in this country, niether will the jobs bill. But while you're out there catching them waves on unemployment you just keep on supporting all this money spending for jobs.....makes a real lot of fucking sense. I'm sure your kids will really appreciate it.
yeah...a total waist or waste...one of those things...
I just wonder why the wonderful free market has not righted this ship and started handing out jobs like candy...you know, since the free market is the only way to go and the gov't, like, sucks and all...0 -
lmao...Cosmo wrote:
...aerial wrote:So you can drain more tax dollars from the hard-working Americans , by collecting unemployment and surfing all summer instead of looking for a job. . . you seem so proud of yourself! It is the best time ever to be on unemployment because they keep sucking us working Americans dry by extending unemployment . Thanks buddy! Personally I could not live with that on my conscious.
Yeah... the only reason I probably wouldn't look for a job would be to just piss off you Tea Partiers so you can make more of those vastly entertaining signs.
...
Oh and... thank you in advance for paying my electric bills so i can run the air conditioning all day to keep my cats all comfy while I'm out at Huntington Beach, catching some tasty barrels.
you are welcome cosmo, you seem like a cool cat, i don't mind paying for your electricity while you are on the tasty waves.."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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i am sure my kids would feel better paying to keep our economy from complete collapse rather than paying for 2 fucking stupid unnecessary wars... :roll:mb262200 wrote:But while you're out there catching them waves on unemployment you just keep on supporting all this money spending for jobs.....makes a real lot of fucking sense. I'm sure your kids will really appreciate it."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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Cali the state of libs...I should have known!.......I spent a week in Huntington Beach and meet some really cool people, I loved it! Went into L.A. and what a different world not so cool of people there . . . It most be something about the beach that draw the nice people....I live at the beach and it is as different as night and day when you go into town as far as the demeanor of people. It really shocks me that you surf . . . I have never met a surfer with your attitude as far as the way you communicate with others. I would wish you luck in finding a job but that would be pointless...Cosmo wrote:
...aerial wrote:So you can drain more tax dollars from the hard-working Americans , by collecting unemployment and surfing all summer instead of looking for a job. . . you seem so proud of yourself! It is the best time ever to be on unemployment because they keep sucking us working Americans dry by extending unemployment . Thanks buddy! Personally I could not live with that on my conscious.
Yeah... the only reason I probably wouldn't look for a job would be to just piss off you Tea Partiers so you can make more of those vastly entertaining signs.
...
Oh and... thank you in advance for paying my electric bills so i can run the air conditioning all day to keep my cats all comfy while I'm out at Huntington Beach, catching some tasty barrels.“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
...aerial wrote:Cali the state of libs...I should have known!.......I spent a week in Huntington Beach and meet some really cool people, I loved it! Went into L.A. and what a different world not so cool of people there . . . It most be something about the beach that draw the nice people....I live at the beach and it is as different as night and day when you go into town as far as the demeanor of people. It really shocks me that you surf . . . I have never met a surfer with your attitude as far as the way you communicate with others. I would wish you luck in finding a job but that would be pointless...
Well... actually... you should hope I don't get laid off. The lay-off here isn't necessarily because the work isn't here... it is a directive from our executive management to cut operating costs. They get HUGE bonuses if they can cut costs. We are merely numbers representing dollar figures on the accounting ledger. If I go... the work is still there.
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As for surfing... yup... we aren't all, 'Cowabunga! Gnarly, rad, dude..' all the time. That's a stereotype. I surf with Union men, office workers and engineers. And our attitudes are as different as we are. We may differ one some political issues, such as taxes, but was all agree that there is too much emphasis on building and consumerism. Probably because we sit in the place where all the waste that people toss out from their cars and homes end up in our water.
Maybe, instead of building ugly boxes that are too expensive for most people to buy in the remaining open spaces... we fix the run down places in our cities. And maybe if product packaging was better proportioned... there wouldn't be so much plastic in the surf.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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I have to agree with you on that.Cosmo wrote:
...aerial wrote:Cali the state of libs...I should have known!.......I spent a week in Huntington Beach and meet some really cool people, I loved it! Went into L.A. and what a different world not so cool of people there . . . It most be something about the beach that draw the nice people....I live at the beach and it is as different as night and day when you go into town as far as the demeanor of people. It really shocks me that you surf . . . I have never met a surfer with your attitude as far as the way you communicate with others. I would wish you luck in finding a job but that would be pointless...
Well... actually... you should hope I don't get laid off. The lay-off here isn't necessarily because the work isn't here... it is a directive from our executive management to cut operating costs. They get HUGE bonuses if they can cut costs. We are merely numbers representing dollar figures on the accounting ledger. If I go... the work is still there.
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As for surfing... yup... we aren't all, 'Cowabunga! Gnarly, rad, dude..' all the time. That's a stereotype. I surf with Union men, office workers and engineers. And our attitudes are as different as we are. We may differ one some political issues, such as taxes, but was all agree that there is too much emphasis on building and consumerism. Probably because we sit in the place where all the waste that people toss out from their cars and homes end up in our water.
Maybe, instead of building ugly boxes that are too expensive for most people to buy in the remaining open spaces... we fix the run down places in our cities. And maybe if product packaging was better proportioned... there wouldn't be so much plastic in the surf.“We the people are the rightful masters of both Congress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln0 -
here is another oneToday in Congress, the spotlight fell on big rate hikes in health care premiums. A House panel grilled the top executive from the parent firm of Californias Anthem Blue Cross. The company has scheduled increases as high as 39 percent for its individual policyholders. The grilling comes the day before congressional Republicans and Democrats join President Obama for his much anticipated health care summit. And Democrats called the Anthem increases a powerful reason to enact their stalled health care overhaul.
NPRs David Welna reports.
DAVID WELNA: With Toyotas top executive testifying today elsewhere on Capitol Hill, you might think it was bad timing for House Democrats to hold a simultaneous hearing on Anthem Blue Crosss double-digit rate hikes. But that did not seem to bother Bart Stupak, the Michigan Democrat who chairs the Energy and Commerce Committee's Oversight and Investigations panel.
Representative BART STUPAK (Democrat, Michigan): This hearing could not come at a better time. It provides a frightful reminder that unless Congress and the administration acts, Americans across the country will continue to experience large premium increases and will be priced out of the market.
WELNA: At the witness table sat three Anthem Blue Cross policyholders who got letters telling them their premiums were going up. Los Angeles self-employed writer Jeremy Arnold said his rates rose 26 percent last year and will go up another 38 percent on May 1st.
Mr. JEREMY ARNOLD (Writer): My premiums are poised to rise to a level that is a whopping 74 percent higher than barely over a year ago. This is outrageous. My benefits have not improved in any way.
WELNA: Interior design consultant Julie Henriksen of Westchester, California, said the health insurance she has for herself and her two boys will go up by 28 percent and cost close to what she pays for her mortgage.
Ms. JULIE HENRIKSEN (Interior Design Consultant): Not to make light of the situation but if I were to send out a letter today in my industry stating that I was raising my hourly consultant rate by almost 30 percent, I would not be working.
WELNA: That rate hike was unapologetically defended though by Angela Braly. She is the president and CEO of WellPoint. Its the parent firm of Anthem Blue Cross. Braly told lawmakers her company is not to blame for rising health care costs.
Ms. ANGELA BRALY (President and CEO, WellPoint): The increases were seeing in California are due to factors that weve been sounding the alarm about for years: the rise in health care costs and healthy people opting out of the system when other issues arise, such as the tough economic times were experiencing today.
WELNA: That came as a bit of a surprise for the lone Republican who questioned Braly, Michael Burgess of Texas.
Representative MICHAEL BURGESS (Republican, Texas): You had to know this was going to be trouble. I mean, a 39 percent rate increase in this climate? You -do you know what weve been doing up here in the last year? You know whats happening down at the White House tomorrow?
Ms. BRALY: Yes, yes.
Rep. BURGESS: You knew this was going to be trouble.
WELNA: And Illinois Democrat Jan Schakowsky reminded Braly that in 2008, 39 WellPoint executives were paid more than a million dollars.
Representative JAN SCHAKOWSKY (Democrat, Illinois): How much money do you make?
Ms. BRALY: My salary is 1.1 million. I was - I received stock compensation with a value of 8.5 million and last year an annual incentive payment of $73,000.
Rep. SCHAKOWSKY: Well, of course, it makes sense that you would need a big rate increase.
WELNA: For Democrats, the hearing was a chance to tout their health care plan as a solution to soaring costs. Here's Californias Henry Waxman.
Representative HENRY WAXMAN (Democrat, California): Weve got to standardize insurance and make sure that people have access to it. Thats what President Obama has been trying to do. Were going to go to a summit tomorrow that the president has called for the Democrats and Republicans. I hope we can work on this in a bipartisan basis. This shouldnt be a Democratic or a Republican issue.
WELNA: Perhaps it shouldnt, but nothing polarizes the two parties than overhauling health care.
David Welna, NPR News, the Capitol.
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Mr. eh eh eh Teleprompter and the Dms made nothing but fools of themselves.Obama was not coherent or subsitive. He didnt score any points. He came across to me as being very arrogant,impatient,petulant and partisan,and frankly un informed. He also spoke more than anyone. He tried to cut off areas of inquries that were damaging to him by diverting or characterizing their arguments as talking points. He also tried to diminsh those who challenged him effectivly.
The republicans succeeding by showing that they were not the party of NO as Obama,Pelosi,Reed,and the media have been trying to characterize them as.
Next we will see Mr Teleprompter,Reed,and Pelosi embrace polut bureau tactics.So that they can get what they want
like Chavez and Castro. Because that's their mentality.They are only intrested in dictating to us. They have no interest in what we want or what we think. They will do what ever they can,cut whatever deal they can,threaten whoever they want to get whatever votes nesecary. So that they can impose the worst imaginable healthcare on us and our families.0 -
...prfctlefts wrote:Mr. eh eh eh Teleprompter and the Dms made nothing but fools of themselves.Obama was not coherent or subsitive. He didnt score any points. He came across to me as being very arrogant,impatient,petulant and partisan,and frankly un informed. He also spoke more than anyone. He tried to cut off areas of inquries that were damaging to him by diverting or characterizing their arguments as talking points. He also tried to diminsh those who challenged him effectivly.
The republicans succeeding by showing that they were not the party of NO as Obama,Pelosi,Reed,and the media have been trying to characterize them as.
Next we will see Mr Teleprompter,Reed,and Pelosi embrace polut bureau tactics.So that they can get what they want
like Chavez and Castro. Because that's their mentality.They are only intrested in dictating to us. They have no interest in what we want or what we think. They will do what ever they can,cut whatever deal they can,threaten whoever they want to get whatever votes nesecary. So that they can impose the worst imaginable healthcare on us and our families.
See. This is part of the problem. YOU are part of the problem.
You see it all as partisan politicing... You versus them... Republican versus Democrats... where someone has to 'win'. Win what?
Well, the big picture is that the legislators are not there to defeat other legislator. They are on the same team. It is like a football team where the offense want to destroy their defense and vice versa. How many football teams win games when their defensive team tries to get their offensive team to fail?
My guess? None.Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
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you are so cluless it's not even worth my time responding to your post. It has nothing to do with us vs them. It has to with getting it right. In other words yes we need to do something about the high cost of premiums and access to health ins,but the way Obama wants to do it will BANKRUPT THIS COUNTRY.. Why is it so hard for you to understand that.
It's called COMMON SENSE. Something that you obviously don't have.0 -
prfctlefts wrote:you are so cluless it's not even worth my time responding to your post. It has nothing to do with us vs them. It has to with getting it right. In other words yes we need to do something about the high cost of premiums and access to health ins,but the way Obama wants to do it will BANKRUPT THIS COUNTRY.. Why is it so hard for you to understand that.
It's called COMMON SENSE. Something that you obviously don't have.
Bankrupt an already Bankupt country? :idea:NERDS!0 -
prfctlefts wrote:Mr. eh eh eh Teleprompter and the Dms made nothing but fools of themselves.Obama was not coherent or subsitive. He didnt score any points. He came across to me as being very arrogant,impatient,petulant and partisan,and frankly un informed. He also spoke more than anyone. He tried to cut off areas of inquries that were damaging to him by diverting or characterizing their arguments as talking points. He also tried to diminsh those who challenged him effectivly.
The republicans succeeding by showing that they were not the party of NO as Obama,Pelosi,Reed,and the media have been trying to characterize them as.
Next we will see Mr Teleprompter,Reed,and Pelosi embrace polut bureau tactics.So that they can get what they want
like Chavez and Castro. Because that's their mentality.They are only intrested in dictating to us. They have no interest in what we want or what we think. They will do what ever they can,cut whatever deal they can,threaten whoever they want to get whatever votes nesecary. So that they can impose the worst imaginable healthcare on us and our families.
"psst prfctlefts, this planet earth. prfctlefts are you there this is planet earth... come in, we are loosing you.
planet earth here prfctlefts do you hear us........."**CUBS GO ALL THE WAY IN......never **0
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