Antisemitism On Campus
ogre1213
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ogre1213
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ogre1213
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what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I didn't have sound when I watched the video, but I've seen a lot of videos that cover the same events, and it goes way past shouting "free Palestine" (which, obviously, is not anti-semitic).
"What we see here is the Middle East war brought to US campuses"
are you guys fucking serious? what a joke. the entire video is based off of Sharansky's dumb ass logic of what equals antisemitism. Sharansky by the way is practically a war criminal since he served as Deputy Defense Minister (i think it was that, maybe some other position where he was able to carry out his disgusting policies). Nothing in that video is antisemitic. Those students rightfully dispute what they see as a state founded on ethnic cleansing and the delegitimization of an entire people. Palestinians were not recognized by Israelis, keep in mind, until they saw fit to do so when they needed to respond to the first intifada and were finally being held accountable (though hardly) for some of their tremendous track record of international and human rights crimes. This was in the early 1990s. In fact, these students have a right to argue that the state of Israel itself is guilty of all these crimes, as they see fit to do so on campus. There is no clear attempt to delegitimize JEWS, but rather the jewish state as it has been run in the past several decades: a racist, apartheid state guilty of war crimes. this is actually a fact, obvious to anyone who chooses to see past their hatred and read into this conflict more deeply.
back to the video, reading the info on the side shows how hilariously stupid the people who made the video are. It attempts to emphasize the lie that the Muslim Students Associations on campus are tied to the Muslim Brotherhood. The MSAs are just ways for muslim kids to network, which all people do. There are Jewish Students Associations but no one connects them to the Israeli Army or anything, so let's just shut the fuck up and stop spreading these ridiculous lies that only help create more animosity, and allows Israel to go on violating international law. What a stupid fucking video.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natan_Sharansky
+1. "I know a guy who ..." is not the best evidence, but one of my close friends went to Concordia, and as a member of the Jewish community, she knows first hand about these sorts of incidents. Attacking people is not an acceptable form of protest, and neither is bombarding someone with ethnic slurs.
i can't believe you would quote something from disastersode 1 :shock:
that is why you fail.
worst.movie.ever. you could've at least gone with Jabba and got a quote in from ROTJ. at least that movie rocked.
Or maybe the driving force behind the holocaust wasn't Anti-Semitism at all but something else? Maybe the pursuit of a pure German state was generated by an adherence to the twisted ideology of Ethnic Nationalism - the same twisted ideology now being pursued by the Zionists in Israel.
I think thats a pretty week comparison. The driving ideology was anti-semitism and anti-communism and the major platforms of the Nazi party during that time period, selling the German people on the idea that Germany was stabbed in the back by a Jewish conspiracy after WWI and the idea that communist would destroy Germany if elected. I think Hitler might have wrote a book on it while in prison?
So then how does anti-semitism and anti-communism explain the extermination of Gypsies and the disabled?
and the gay and other minorities....
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Nazi ideology was complex and anti-Semitism was a major driving force but not the only force? Yes, other groups were targeted, but it makes no sense to argue that anti-Semitism wasn't an important aspect of the ideology when obviously it was, especially when one considers the overall historical context of European prejudice towards Jews.
The point is the Nazis had enough hate in their hearts for everyone, but Anti-Semitism was there biggest thing.
I disagree. Seems to me that Ethnic Nationalism and Ethnic Racial Supremacy were the driving force for Nazism, just as they are now the driving force for Zionism. Both abhorrent ideologies that deserve no respect or tolerance.
Anti-Semitism is now used mainly as a smokescreen to deflect attention from, and excuse, Israel's crimes.
I recommend you read Norman Finkelstein's book 'Beyond Chutzpah: On The Misuse of Anti-Semitism and The Abuse of History' for further clarification on this issue.
http://www.normanfinkelstein.com/kill-a ... -semitism/
Norman Finkelstein:
A central thesis of my book Beyond Chutzpah is that whenever Israel faces a public relations debacle its apologists sound the alarm that a “new anti-Semitism” is upon us. So, predictably, just after Israel faced another image problem due to its murderous destruction of Lebanon, a British all-party parliamentary group led by notorious Israel-firster Denis MacShane MP (Labor) released yet another report alleging a resurgence of anti-Semitism (Report of the All-Party Parliamentary Inquiry Into Antisemitism, September 2006). To judge by the witnesses (David Cesarani, Lord Janner, Oona King, Emanuele Ottolenghi, Melanie Phillips) and sources (MEMRI, Holocaust Education Trust) cited in the body of the report, much time and money could have been saved had it just been contracted out to the Israel Foreign Ministry.[1]
The single novelty of the report, which mostly rehashes fatuous allegations already disposed of in Beyond Chutzpah, is the new thresholds in idiocy it breaks. Consider the methodology deployed for demonstrating a new anti-Semitism. The report defines an anti-Semitic incident as any occasion “perceived” to be anti-Semitic by the “Jewish community.”[2] This is the school of thought according to which it’s raining even in the absence of any precipitation because I feel it’s raining. It is the dream philosophy of paranoids - especially rational paranoids, for whom alleged victimhood is politically serviceable. The report includes under the rubric of anti-Semitic incidents not just violent acts and incendiary speech but “conversations, discussions, or pronouncements made in public or private, which cross the line of acceptability,” as well as “the mood and tone when Jews are discussed.” The wonder is that it didn’t also tabulate repressed anti-Semitic libidinal fantasies.[3] In the category of inherently anti-Semitic pronouncements the report includes “drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis” (only comparisons of contemporary Arab policy to that of the Nazis are permissible) and “theories about Jewish or Zionist influence on American foreign policy” (even if Jewish and Zionist organizations boast about this influence).[4]
Much of the evidence of pervasive British anti-Semitism stretches and strains credulity. The lone item listed under the ominous subheading “The Blood Libel” is a Syrian television series “that would be possible for viewers in the UK to see…if they had suitable satellite receiving equipment.”[5] The report also notes the unreferenced “case of a Jewish university lecturer who was subjected to an anti-Semitic tirade from a student in the middle of a lecture and subsequently asked to explain to the university authorities why he had upset the student.”[6] Is it anti-Semitic to wonder whether this is a crock? And then it cites the warning of the London Assembly Conservative Group that “there is a risk that in some political quarters ‘views on international events can, almost subconsciously, lead to subtly different attitudes to, and levels of engagement with, different minority groups.’”[7] The new anti-Semitism business must be going seriously awry when British conservatives start sounding like Lacan. Finally, it is anti-Semitic for student unions to advocate a boycott of Israeli goods because this “would restrict the availability of kosher food on campus.”[8] Maybe Israel can organize a “Berlin airlift” of gefilte fish.
Although claiming that, in the struggle against anti-Semitism, “none of those who gave evidence wished to see the right of free speech eroded,” and “only in extreme circumstances would we advocate legal intervention,”[9] the report recommends that university authorities “take an active interest in combating acts, speeches, literature and events that cause anxiety or alarm among their Jewish students,” and it registers disquiet that “classic and modern anti-Semitic works are freely available for ordering on the Amazon.com website,” and that “the United States in particular has been slow to take action” in closing down “anti-Semitic internet sites.”[10] It is at moments like this that even the least patriotic of souls can take pride in being an American.
It was about racial purity as well, but the focus was about anti-Semitism and anti-communism. He wasn't elected over his views on gypsies, homosexual, the disabled, and the Poles. If you want to make a connection to anything, make a connection to the British Empire's Colonial past. You can look at whats going on in the Middle East and make the connection to South Africa or Ireland. Its about land, resources, and security.....and make no mistake, people are all the same. The only reason people are so anti-Zionist here, is because they are the one with the money and military power. If the tables were turned, Palestine would be doing the same thing. You know "two wrongs don't make a right".
Sure, the Bolshevik-Jewish conspiracy, which as we all know was pure bollocks. It was an attempt to justify implementation of ideology of Aryan ethnic supremacy. Not too dissimilar to what we see now with the Zionists using an illusory global Anti-Semitism to try and justify their militaristic expansionism.
So where did Aryan ethnic superiority doctrines come from, then? These views likely had their origins in earlier concerns around Jewish hegemony in certain sectors of European society. Prejudical attitudes toward Jews which predate the Dark Ages ... Say what you wish about spurious Zionist use of anti-Semitism claims in the modern era, there's still a valid historical context involved.
I'm really not too sure what your trying to get at with the Nazi connection, seems like we are running in circles here.
You can thank Great Britain for giving "The Evil Zionist" the land to start their "expansionism".
i saw something about this on nat geo or the history channel a year or so ago, you know about that icke guy, right? the one that says there are reptilians living among us, controlling us? it's similar, some people believe hebrews are a different, lower species than humans and it's only through cross breeding that they have corrupted the gene pool and combined species to look so much like us, before that they looked kind of human but more monkey. they believed the devil was jealous of god's creation (humans) so he tried, too, but could only make unfortunate creatures like the monkey and jews, nothing like the perfection of god's creation. so hitler thought he was ridding the world of the impure genes of hebrews, gays, gypsies, blacks, people with disabilities.... and could save his race, god's chosen race. look at propaganda from that time, the aryan is all handsome and heroic looking and the jews look more sinister with hooked noses, bent backs, they have beady eyes....on top of the mentality of 'they killed jesus!!'
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
n. A Jewish movement that arose in the late 19th century in response to growing anti-Semitism and sought to reestablish a Jewish homeland in Palestine. Modern Zionism is concerned with the support and development of the state of Israel.
Zionism has in principle nothing to do with any sort of racist belief. Zionism does not as an ideology demand hatred of Arabs, and it does not as an ideology cast the Jewish people as inherently superior to any other people. Zionism is simply the desire of the Jewish people to have a sovereign state in our homeland. There are certainly racist Zionists, but their racism is not a manifestation of their Zionism. Byrnzie, you are quite frankly wrong. I am a committed Zionist. So are my parents. We have friends from many races, including Palestinians. We do not think that Jews are inherently better in any way than any other group of people. Your comparison of Zionism to Nazism is not only wrong, it is insulting and abhorrent, and to be honest, I lose a little more respect for you every time you make it.